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Posted by Nat Thomas on 03-22-2013 01:55 PM:

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quote:
Originally posted by Billy Beckham
I was thinking the same thing when I read that. Twice I have been on casts that coons went into the beans and never came out.

There is a reason God gave us tight mouthed track dogs.

If you have a track dog they won't be in the beans all night.... Most coon will be sitting up on the edge of the field laughing at the dogs wayyyy before the dogs ever figure out the track. I thought for a long time they didn't come out of the beans to until I got a real track dog!!!

Posted by patches9452 on 03-22-2013 02:04 PM:

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Originally posted by Nat Thomas
If you have a track dog they won't be in the beans all night.... Most coon will be sitting up on the edge of the field laughing at the dogs wayyyy before the dogs ever figure out the track. I thought for a long time they didn't come out of the beans to until I got a real track dog!!!

most of the time thats a quitter that treed another on the edge.... can make a dog look good but lets be realistic... most of the time he couldnt hang and quit and took the easy way out.... i dont want a quitter

Posted by Nat Thomas on 03-22-2013 02:09 PM:

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Originally posted by patches9452
most of the time thats a quitter that treed another on the edge.... can make a dog look good but lets be realistic... most of the time he couldnt hang and quit and took the easy way out.... i dont want a quitter

Wrong.

Posted by cody jaster on 03-22-2013 02:11 PM:

Actually Jim that started on another post by some comments Al and another smart $$ on here said directly toward me. Yet, they are the first ones to cry foul when done back to them. Hypocrisy....I'm sure the whine all night on a cast too!

Posted by patches9452 on 03-22-2013 02:14 PM:

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Originally posted by Nat Thomas
Wrong.

and how could you possibly know this with a track your dog wouldnt finish in the field.... one that quit and came out and popped an easy one around the edge... i have witnessed dogs doing this and it was never the coon it started with.... when the others finally got it out it was always a different coon... when you quit hunting track dogs you quit hunting coon dogs in my area

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 03-22-2013 02:50 PM:

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Originally posted by patches9452
most of the time thats a quitter that treed another on the edge.... can make a dog look good but lets be realistic... most of the time he couldnt hang and quit and took the easy way out.... i dont want a quitter

Quitter? How about brains? Only the foolish dog runs out in the 2 or 3 hundred acre beans! That's a fact jack

the smart ones fly down the edges of fields but then again I hunt tree minded dogs NOT track running fools.

I'm glad some like to listen to a hour or 2 race so they call it. The coon is laughing the whole time. Sure you may wear the coon out eventually and think your dog did an outstanding job hours later.

I guess I agree with Jim totally on this one. Most just haven't the slightest clue as to what a dog should do.

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Posted by Tom Jones on 03-22-2013 02:58 PM:

it would have been a good post except the 13 mile part. NO COON IS GONNA RUN 13 MILES. I have witnedded mine run one for four miles and get hooked with A COON which I douht was the same one he struck.

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Posted by toejam on 03-22-2013 03:06 PM:

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Originally posted by Tom Jones
it would have been a good post except the 13 mile part. NO COON IS GONNA RUN 13 MILES. I have witnedded mine run one for four miles and get hooked with A COON which I douht was the same one he struck.

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Posted by patches9452 on 03-22-2013 03:07 PM:

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Quitter? How about brains? Only the foolish dog runs out in the 2 or 3 hundred acre beans! That's a fact jack the smart ones fly down the edges of fields but then again I hunt tree minded dogs NOT track running fools.

I'm glad some like to listen to a hour or 2 race so they call it. The coon is laughing the whole time. Sure you may wear the coon out eventually and think your dog did an outstanding job hours later.

I guess I agree with Jim totally on this one. Most just haven't the slightest clue as to what a dog should do.

a coon dog should run a coon wherever it goes.... smart has nothing to do with it.... even you and i are not smart enough to know when or if that coon has come out of the field until a dog pushes it out... a tree minded dog is a must but a track dog is also.... down here we want have 10 other coon sitting up around the edges like you do up there

Posted by patches9452 on 03-22-2013 03:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Jones
it would have been a good post except the 13 mile part. NO COON IS GONNA RUN 13 MILES. I have witnedded mine run one for four miles and get hooked with A COON which I douht was the same one he struck.

if they run one 2 hours i would hope they covered close to that much ground anyway... i have ran them for 5 before in the green trees down here... never thought to check and see how far they traveled on the garmin tho but most of the time they never got over a half mile from us

Posted by JiM on 03-22-2013 03:17 PM:

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Quitter? How about brains? Only the foolish dog runs out in the 2 or 3 hundred acre beans! That's a fact jack the smart ones fly down the edges of fields but then again I hunt tree minded dogs NOT track running fools.

I'm glad some like to listen to a hour or 2 race so they call it. The coon is laughing the whole time. Sure you may wear the coon out eventually and think your dog did an outstanding job hours later.

I guess I agree with Jim totally on this one. Most just haven't the slightest clue as to what a dog should do.

It's more like they have no idea what the dog IS doing. We are now seeing the dumming down of your basic coonhunter today with the Garmin in such common use. Dog work is now a set of stats, how far, how long, average speed........not a clue what that dog is actually doing out there but total control over where they are, where they been, average speed, etc. It's what they are doing that matters.

Nat and Patches can argue about HOW they should do it, that just different strokes for different folks, but at least they KNOW what the dang dog is doing out there. A 13 mile coon chase? Sorry, but somebody don't know what their dog is chasing.

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Posted by prostockpat on 03-22-2013 03:18 PM:

13 mile coon!!

lmao!!!

coon don't run fast enough to stay ahead of dogs for 13 miles!!! even a bluetick..lol

i'm betting ran gray fox,coyote,or deer. fell off on a hot track.

Posted by Tom Jones on 03-22-2013 03:25 PM:

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Originally posted by patches9452
if they run one 2 hours i would hope they covered close to that much ground anyway... i have ran them for 5 before in the green trees down here... never thought to check and see how far they traveled on the garmin tho but most of the time they never got over a half mile from us

I dont know what your saying, are you saying if a dog runs two hourse it should be 13 miles away? lol (i dont think so sorry), then you say you ran them for 5 hrs and never got more then a 1/2 mile (i would whip that sorry track dog and send his a$$ on to find one he could tree or sell him to someone up north) . MAY HAVE TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR POINT, been known to do that lol if so sorry

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Posted by Tom Jones on 03-22-2013 03:32 PM:

Re: 13 mile coon!!

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Originally posted by prostockpat
lmao!!!

coon don't run fast enough to stay ahead of dogs for 13 miles!!! even a bluetick..lol

i'm betting ran gray fox,coyote,or deer. fell off on a hot track.

wasnt a deer either lol

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Posted by buck brush on 03-22-2013 04:41 PM:

well we have some more intertanment, of who know what.

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Posted by micooner on 03-22-2013 05:35 PM:

I was sitting here wondering when this thread would get all fired up, doesn't take long. lol

Posted by john Duemmer on 03-22-2013 05:36 PM:

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Originally posted by perry co cooner
I hope you stop posting on this message board soon.

And I hope you take Codys advice and seek out some professional help, medication may help.
Those Lipper dogs probably woulda caught that coon in only 12 miles. Lol.

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Posted by buck brush on 03-22-2013 05:57 PM:

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Originally posted by micooner
I was sitting here wondering when this thread would get all fired up, doesn't take long. lol

i hope it does not get deleted, like the one did last week, i can not do much right now so it gives me something to do. just set and read .

Posted by Tom A on 03-22-2013 06:14 PM:

The distance the dog runs on the gps, is not the the distance the coon runs.

You can tell when a dog overruns or looses track on a gps when it starts running circles!

One day I like to put a gps collar on a coon and a dog then I'll tell you how far the race was. LOL

Some of the stuff I hunt is so thick you can be standing directly on top of your dog and not see him, even with a flashing blue tracker collor light and a blue marshall lighted one too.

Long races are the norm in this stuff, add water to thick briars and youll see who has a coon dog.

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Posted by Bobby Reynolds on 03-22-2013 06:15 PM:

Sure hope them dudes don't find their way into Illinois and breed with our coon population. If you watch them stats on the garmin, 3 miles an hour will tree any coon sooner than you caught that one running at over 6 miles an hour. LOL

Posted by Nat Thomas on 03-22-2013 06:16 PM:

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Originally posted by JiM
It's more like they have no idea what the dog IS doing. We are now seeing the dumming down of your basic coonhunter today with the Garmin in such common use. Dog work is now a set of stats, how far, how long, average speed........not a clue what that dog is actually doing out there but total control over where they are, where they been, average speed, etc. It's what they are doing that matters.

Nat and Patches can argue about HOW they should do it, that just different strokes for different folks, but at least they KNOW what the dang dog is doing out there. A 13 mile coon chase? Sorry, but somebody don't know what their dog is chasing.

Jim, I leave my garmin off most of the time... If its not off its in my pouch snapped shut. All the garmin does is give you a location.... I am a very hands on trainer and there is nothing worse than the 3 times a year that I pleasure hunt with someone, there nose is stuck in there garmin like the screen is showing nudey movies.

On the bean subject... I live in Indiana... I know what beans are and I know how many dogs can get bogged down in them. More often than not the dogs get hung up an keep making the same loop over and over and over... I've been standing on field edges when the coons come out of
The beans and sit there and watch them go up a tree on the edge while the dogs continue to make the endless Circle... A good smart track dog will get it lined out and finish it. If the coon is in the beans, he better Climb or die if he's got a track dog behind him. I know what edge hunters are... I know what dogs that quit tracks and slam coon on the edge are.. And that's not close to way what I'm talking about. EVERY dog will eventually have a track he can't finish... But good ones will put trees on the end of the ones most of em can't finish!

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Posted by patches9452 on 03-22-2013 06:43 PM:

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Originally posted by Tom Jones
I dont know what your saying, are you saying if a dog runs two hourse it should be 13 miles away? lol (i dont think so sorry), then you say you ran them for 5 hrs and never got more then a 1/2 mile (i would whip that sorry track dog and send his a$$ on to find one he could tree or sell him to someone up north) . MAY HAVE TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR POINT, been known to do that lol if so sorry

what i was saying is i dont think that mans dog was 13 miles away either... he just cover 13 miles of space while running that coon.... the ones we run like that in feb. most are almost like a sight race about half the time then they make a loose and have to pick it back up... some we catch some we tree and some we never do either.... most all of them we will see crossing a couple times during the race.... i ran one 950 yards straight away the other night and they caught it in a beaver pond... last night i trailed one 900 yards and treed it within 150 yards of where they struck... if you think a coon cant stay in front of a dog for as long as it wants to in places down here you are crazy.... most places a coon here never has to climb... they do so because they think they have lost the dogs

Posted by David Morgan on 03-22-2013 06:52 PM:

Point 1. A dog running a dodging coon probably covers 3 times the distance that the coon does. That puts the coon traveling a little more than 4 which is about one trip around a section.
Point 2. The so called smart dog running around the edge to get treed is going to take a while. A 100,000 acres to go around would take more than 2 hours and there's no coons sitting up.
Point 3. I been doing this 47 years and I kinda know what I'm talking about. If you doubt it, load your dogs and come for a hunt.

Posted by dumbdog1988 on 03-22-2013 07:08 PM:

13 miles is a very long ways for a coon to run, not saying it couldnt happen but maybe there were several different tracks the dogs were running? Or they went over a big section of the track several times before lining it out?

I went out last night and my female got struck in about 200 yards and then continued to work it .25 mile north then cut it .25 mile west through a field then back south on the edge of the field. After that she took it back in the timber and work it another .5 mile west before getting treed with the coon. In total she ran over 3.5 miles on the garmin and it took about 45 min for her to get treed.

She swam a small river then moved the last .25 mile of the track in about 3 minutes and got treed.

It was 20 degrees out and frozen ice covering the ground. Now that was a cold track!

Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-22-2013 07:45 PM:

I don't have the thickets like you do you'll never have a coon to run like that hear

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