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Posted by odg on 03-11-2013 02:14 AM:

who cares what someone else is feeding i hope everyone else breeds junk

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Posted by Surveyor on 03-11-2013 04:12 AM:

All I can say is I must be the unluckiest guy around because I never draw these titled dogs that can't tree their own coon!

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Posted by jculler8 on 03-11-2013 04:20 AM:

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Originally posted by Bobby Reynolds
Brad, HTX title does not mean no more than a GRNITE title. It does not proove nothing. I have already seen how these titles can be earned and it can be with a dog that does not go hunting by itself. Does not matter what title you want on a dog, it can be earned by a potlicker. These hunts are no better than the people that are in them and if you think you can put anymore merit into a HTX title than a GRNITE title, then you need to come back down to earth.

I do not know how anyone in the world can consider having a HTX title means a dog can tree it's own coon.

Not in my book, especially when you can walk hunt it for 15 minutes. I have a pup here that's been in the woods 2x and I can walk her over a hot coon and get her to tree on it by herself!

HTX means very little.

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Posted by Nat Thomas on 03-11-2013 04:53 AM:

How much does GRNTCH really mean? You can make a dog a Grntch in 8 hunts. In the big picture, what does winning 8 casts really prove when their are dogs out there that win 8+ casts a month for several months... Some dogs win 100+ casts. A poodle can make ntch... If you have a dog that will tree you will eventually make it Grntch If you go to enough.

Posted by patches9452 on 03-11-2013 05:00 AM:

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Originally posted by Nat Thomas
How does GRNTCH mean? You can make a dog a Grntch in 8 hunts. In the big picture, what does winning 8 casts really prove when their are dogs out there that win 8+ casts a month for several months... Some dogs win 100+ casts. A poodle can make ntch... If you have a dog that will tree you will eventually make it Grntch If you go to enough.

surely everyone who hunts the hunts realizes all a grand nite has done is win as few as 8 hunts.... people dont put much stock in a grand nite only i wouldnt think.... if they do they will learn quickly or waste lots of money

Posted by ov_blues on 03-11-2013 06:43 PM:

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Originally posted by truly
Or maybe no dog should be allowed in a hunt until it has earned at least one "Best in Show"??

Seriously, I think most coonhunters are smart enough to understand what each title means. HTX dogs may not be capable of beating any other dog in head to head comp, but can tree a coon on their own. Gr Nites can beat many dogs in head to head but may not be able to tree coon on their own. Show dogs might not be able to tree a coon. Hunt dogs might not be pretty.

Each title represents a different quality looked for in a coon dog. How hard is it to understand that?

I agree. I have the HTX degree on a few of my dogs and inspected several others on their way to getting it. All the HTX shows is that you have a dog that can tree a coon by itself. No more, no less. Doesn't say how well it does it. In my opinion it doesn't prove that it is a "Coon Dog" either.

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Posted by Nat Thomas on 03-11-2013 07:26 PM:

I can tree a coon by myself. I've got it... Lets just change up everything!!! We've got the first quad grand Plott and redbone, youngest Grntch, first leopard Grntch... How about the first human ntch!!!! Makes about as much sense as this thread.

Posted by Maniac on 03-11-2013 07:36 PM:

use alittle comen sense. just bcause they pass the htx test still doesnt mean they can tree a coon.

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Posted by Cynthia on 03-11-2013 07:39 PM:

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Or maybe no dog should be allowed in a hunt until it has earned at least one "Best in Show"??

Seriously, I think most coonhunters are smart enough to understand what each title means. HTX dogs may not be capable of beating any other dog in head to head comp, but can tree a coon on their own. Gr Nites can beat many dogs in head to head but may not be able to tree coon on their own. Show dogs might not be able to tree a coon. Hunt dogs might not be pretty.

Each title represents a different quality looked for in a coon dog. How hard is it to understand that?

I may not agree with you politically, but finally a moment of clarity.

Took my 5m pup to SC state, saw her first coon AND barked her little head off! She will hopefully grow up and show well. point is: I know what they are bred for. and because I dont hunt them doesnt mean they cant. To each his own. If you want to hunt and feed and ugly dog, that's ur choice, but Im not going to do it and that's MY choice.

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Posted by Dan Dogs on 03-11-2013 07:51 PM:

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use alittle comen sense. just bcause they pass the htx test still doesnt mean they can tree a coon.

how does a dog pass a htx test without treeing a coon? i apparently have no common sence

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Posted by davidkelly on 03-11-2013 07:53 PM:

just my two cents

Don't care if the dog is title or not but if it can't hunt or tree a coon by it self itis not a coondog guys I guess I am old school!

Posted by Bobby Reynolds on 03-11-2013 07:55 PM:

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Originally posted by Dan Dogs
how does a dog pass a htx test without treeing a coon? i apparently have no common scence..

Same way some big hunts get won with giant crazy scores.

Posted by Dan Dogs on 03-11-2013 08:03 PM:

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Same way some big hunts get won with giant crazy scores.

so theres cheating in the htx hunts too...all a matter of pride i guess.. everyone hates a failure..

Posted by Bobby Reynolds on 03-11-2013 08:13 PM:

They are no better than the people involved. I am not putting anyone into this catagory. I know/think most dogs earn it honestly. But just like anything else, you have the same ole people getting together doing the same ole crap. On the other side of the coin, I went to one HTX hunt to just visit and drink coffee and it was about as honest as it could be. NO DOG PASSED that night. LOL Now that is honest.

Posted by Dan Dogs on 03-11-2013 08:21 PM:

our club is going to hold our first htx in may. i sure hope everything will be done honestly.

Posted by WattsFlatsRedbo on 03-12-2013 01:21 AM:

Jeez. I put HTX titles on a couple of my dogs just so no one could claim my worthless titled dogs cant tree a coon by themselves. After reading this thread I guess that HTX title is worthless too. Lol. I don't know why I even bother. Lol.
On a serious note I enjoy the HTX hunts. Everyone has allways been layed back and honest in any of the events I've been to. Also just because you have a coondog that does it on its own everytime does'nt mean your gonna pass every hunt test. I've had one of my GrNts make 3 trees in the hr in 1 test and they were a den and thick pines/hemlocks. If you cant find the coon you wont get a pass either. I know, I know. My worthless GrNt probally did'nt even have a coon in any of those trees. Lmao.

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Posted by bigdog061 on 03-12-2013 03:49 AM:

If anyone here thinks that UKC is willing to loose 1 single penny for some coonhunters opinion, is not living in reality!

They could care less about making anything honest and fare as long as the greenbacks are rolling in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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