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Posted by tony.beals on 03-13-2013 07:59 PM:

Cold Hearted

Sir if you look at all the answers to this mans post , only one actually did something to the hit and run driver, and the others understand accidents happen yes maybe we are upset but not stopping is not the answer. And unless you are hunting out west where roads are few and far between you will never hunt where there are no roads. We all take the risk whether on back roads or highways. But if you don't have the back bone to stop then that is on you. I will always stop and maybe wrong but I will swerve for a dog if I can. Your response was very cold hearted and no compasion for someone who has lost their dog.

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Posted by garminguru on 03-14-2013 03:57 AM:

Re: Cold Hearted

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Originally posted by tony.beals
Sir if you look at all the answers to this mans post , only one actually did something to the hit and run driver, and the others understand accidents happen yes maybe we are upset but not stopping is not the answer. And unless you are hunting out west where roads are few and far between you will never hunt where there are no roads. We all take the risk whether on back roads or highways. But if you don't have the back bone to stop then that is on you. I will always stop and maybe wrong but I will swerve for a dog if I can. Your response was very cold hearted and no compasion for someone who has lost their dog.

My answer is directed to those who "claim" someone was deliberately trying to hit their dog and those who "claim" they will do something to someone who has hit their dog. Most normal motorists are not out to run over dogs, period!
Most any time someone posts or says something about a dog getting ran over they swear the driver was trying to hit the dog or the driver was speeding and I doubt if the person owning the dog ever even witnessed the event.
I have ran my hine end off, hollered my lungs out, and beeped and sometime shocked my dogs to keep them out of the road and with some effort, it works almost 100 percent of the time. With today's technology and unless you have a deer runner, you should rarely hear of a dog being ran over. A night hunt may be a little different I guess since you can't use the technology but still!
I guess my point about not stopping is if I indeed know the dog was dead.
I guess this bothers me more than most because of something that happened to me one time.
I was working 1st shift and a bunch of younguns always caught the school bus at the end of their road. They had a dog that loved to chase cars as the cars went by. I pulled over one morning and asked which child that dog perhaps belonged to and this Hispanic girl raised her hand. I said please tell your parents that dog is chasing cars and he must be put up before you children witness him being splattered. Well, that never happened. One morning I was going to work and as always, I was watching for the dog, here he come, there was the children watching, and I no sooner cleared him at a reduced rate of speed and off the bank came a dalmation that I had never seen before and right under my tire he rolled in front of them children. I do not know to this day if it killed him or not!

Posted by josh on 03-14-2013 04:18 AM:

When I was a kid I lost a dog.

A couple days later my Dad got a phone call from a lawyer....Apparently, my dog was hit and killed by a guy on a motorcycle, he was banged up pretty bad, broken arm, leg, ect.

That was all we ever heard about the matter, I guess the lawyer didnt see much promise in going after a 14 year old kid.

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Posted by garminguru on 03-14-2013 07:44 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by josh
When I was a kid I lost a dog.

A couple days later my Dad got a phone call from a lawyer....Apparently, my dog was hit and killed by a guy on a motorcycle, he was banged up pretty bad, broken arm, leg, ect.

That was all we ever heard about the matter, I guess the lawyer didnt see much promise in going after a 14 year old kid.

It is silly for you to think that had litigation been pursued that it would have been against you and not your parents!

Posted by michael.magorian on 03-14-2013 01:43 PM:

Re: Re: Cold Hearted

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Originally posted by garminguru
One morning I was going to work and as always, I was watching for the dog, here he come, there was the children watching, and I no sooner cleared him at a reduced rate of speed and off the bank came a dalmation that I had never seen before and right under my tire he rolled in front of them children. I do not know to this day if it killed him or not!

Wow, this is what I was talking about in my first post, on the previous page, regarding your slow-minded theory. Imagine a bunch of kids, in tears, watching a dog gasping for air and paralyzed. Then, the driver just speeding off because he doesn't have enough backbone to stop and see if the dog was ok.

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Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 03-14-2013 02:03 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Cold Hearted

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Originally posted by michael.magorian
Wow, this is what I was talking about in my first post, on the previous page, regarding your slow-minded theory. Imagine a bunch of kids, in tears, watching a dog gasping for air and paralyzed. Then, the driver just speeding off because he doesn't have enough backbone to stop and see if the dog was ok.

What would a man do that hit the dog that was in this condition other than call the name on the collar if it has it? Its not like you call 911 and wait for the ambulance to come? do you pick up a in pain suffering dog that is likey to bit you and put it in your car and take it to the vet and get stick with the bill? If none are an option putting the sucker out of its misery in front of the kids sure won't go over well....nor will explaining that to the owner. No matter how you slice it the kids are going to see the dog get hit and suffer for a period of time. How long won't make it any less dramatic.

If i hit a dog I would stop......but what I could really do about it I have no idea.

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Posted by michael.magorian on 03-14-2013 02:22 PM:

Ron, in the shape I described, I would pick it up, put it in my vehicle, drive a few miles down the road and put it out of its misery. Then after work, find out whose dog it is and tell them what happened. It really isn't that tough to do the right thing.

Five or six years ago, I was on my way to a job site in one or our work trucks, and I hit a yellow lab with the trailer I was pulling. I pulled over, picked up the dead dog, and drove to the closest place (this is pretty much out in the middle of no where), and told the gal what happened. She told me it wasn't her dog, and she didn't know whose dog it was. So I left, drove back a half mile to the next closest place, and it wasn't there dog either. There wasn't another house for miles in every direction so I laid it on the highway where someone could see it if they were missing a dog. Being no where near home, I felt that I did everything I could have done. My boss asked me what took so long, and I told him the story, and he said, "Well that was pretty white of you." I felt a little better after that.

Do what you want, but you won't catch me saying crap like, "to this day I don't know if I killed that dog in front of those kids."

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Posted by josh on 03-14-2013 02:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by garminguru
It is silly for you to think that had litigation been pursued that it would have been against you and not your parents!

Probably so...This was a LONG time ago, things were a little different then.

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Posted by Diggerman on 03-14-2013 03:04 PM:

If my hound got runned over,dead or not,the last thing i want to deal with is the driver of the car.

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Posted by vernonsdream on 03-14-2013 04:40 PM:

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Originally posted by michael.magorian
Ron, in the shape I described, I would pick it up, put it in my vehicle, drive a few miles down the road and put it out of its misery. Then after work, find out whose dog it is and tell them what happened. It really isn't that tough to do the right thing.

Five or six years ago, I was on my way to a job site in one or our work trucks, and I hit a yellow lab with the trailer I was pulling. I pulled over, picked up the dead dog, and drove to the closest place (this is pretty much out in the middle of no where), and told the gal what happened. She told me it wasn't her dog, and she didn't know whose dog it was. So I left, drove back a half mile to the next closest place, and it wasn't there dog either. There wasn't another house for miles in every direction so I laid it on the highway where someone could see it if they were missing a dog. Being no where near home, I felt that I did everything I could have done. My boss asked me what took so long, and I told him the story, and he said, "Well that was pretty white of you." I felt a little better after that.

Do what you want, but you won't catch me saying crap like, "to this day I don't know if I killed that dog in front of those kids."

Aren't you just a sweet heart

Posted by Bobby Reynolds on 03-14-2013 05:01 PM:

I have hit dogs and I have had dogs ran over. I never once felt it was my fault or theirs. It just happens. It is just the way it is.

Posted by Matt McKinney on 03-14-2013 05:31 PM:

Maybe people dont even realize its a dog they hit...I mean its night, your in the country. Could be a coon, a fox, a coyote, a bob cat, a deer..Anything..Alot of people around me dont know anything about coon hunting, so if they hit something at night the last thing they would think is they hit someones coon hound....Thats just my opinion...Also alot of people that hit a dog at night may just think its some stray abondoned dog, since most dog owners dogs are tucked in bed with them safe and sound all the time. Most people that dont coon hunt, dont know much about coon hunting if anything at all.

Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 03-14-2013 05:41 PM:

Plus were all assuming that the person driving is a grown man. Would you really want your teenage daughter or wife stopping in the dark on the side of the road to take care of a dog? or worse yet picking up some injured dog going house to house? Not me.

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Posted by micooner on 03-14-2013 06:12 PM:

Years ago when the boy first got his license a big husky type dog got out of a fenced yard and ran into the rear wheel area of his car. He didn't know he even hit the dog. A few weeks later county sheriff pulls in and asked about his car and such. What it boiled down to was the owner of the dog needed a accident report to turn into their homeowner insurance to pay 5000 in vet bills. No damage was done to the car that we could see other than some small dents and scratches. Michigan is a no fault state so if we had collision insurance on the car we would make the claim for the car damages only.

Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-14-2013 06:13 PM:

Re: Cold Hearted

quote:
Originally posted by tony.beals
Sir if you look at all the answers to this mans post , only one actually did something to the hit and run driver, and the others understand accidents happen yes maybe we are upset but not stopping is not the answer. And unless you are hunting out west where roads are few and far between you will never hunt where there are no roads. We all take the risk whether on back roads or highways. But if you don't have the back bone to stop then that is on you. I will always stop and maybe wrong but I will swerve for a dog if I can. Your response was very cold hearted and no compasion for someone who has lost their dog.

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Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-14-2013 06:34 PM:

The reason people don't stop is because they don't care let someone hit a dog and nock a headlight out they'll get the number off the collar because they want their car fixed if don't hurt their crap they don't care

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Posted by garminguru on 03-14-2013 07:08 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Cold Hearted

quote:
Originally posted by michael.magorian
Wow, this is what I was talking about in my first post, on the previous page, regarding your slow-minded theory. Imagine a bunch of kids, in tears, watching a dog gasping for air and paralyzed. Then, the driver just speeding off because he doesn't have enough backbone to stop and see if the dog was ok.

Well, the dog ran off so if you think I was going to run the dog down through the woods you are crazy. Maybe you missed the part about those kids being put on notice that this was going to happen! They were not seniors but they werent first graders either, probably 6-7-8 graders.

Posted by garminguru on 03-14-2013 07:10 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bobby Reynolds
I have hit dogs and I have had dogs ran over. I never once felt it was my fault or theirs. It just happens. It is just the way it is.

If the dog is in the road unleashed and out of the control of the owner, it is 100 percent the owner's fault!

Posted by Bobby Reynolds on 03-14-2013 09:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by garminguru
If the dog is in the road unleashed and out of the control of the owner, it is 100 percent the owner's fault!

I guess not everyone thinks like you. Sometimes $hit just happens. But it's ok to disagree, just like I disagree with you not stopping after you hit the dog in front of the kids.

Posted by H DOG on 03-15-2013 01:51 AM:

People need slow down

Posted by david r on 03-15-2013 02:25 AM:

Re: Re: re

quote:
Originally posted by garminguru
Well, that makes you very young or not very smart.
If I hit your hound, I would not stop either. I would hate it, I would do everything I could to avoid it, but what would be the point in stopping? The highway is for cars, not dogs. If you are irresponsible enough to let your dog wander or track in the highway, you have only yourself to blame.
Why does everyone whine about someone not stopping? If your dog is struck and killed, there is nothing stopping can do except give irrational dog owners such as this an opportunity to assault you or start legal action against you they will never win!
I like how everyone says they were speeding or they did not even stop, like normal rational people are riding around just looking to mow someones dog down!
I may be on a different side of the fence about stopping, but the attitudes on this thread indicate stopping would be taking a big chance!

So if nobody sees you hit a dog, then your not guilty and you can go on about your business with out a care?

You ask what's the point? moral, legal, or mental accountability

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Posted by Autumn Clements on 03-15-2013 03:10 AM:

I haven't had one hit myself but a good friend of mine had one hit on a nite hunt last fall. Old backroad, late a nite, driver didn't stop. She was in rough shape, it was a long nite, thought a few times she wasn't going to pull threw. She is coming around decent last time I seen her we had her out coonhunting and we treed coons with her.
Not a situation I ever want to see or have happen to my own but its one of those risks we all take as coonhunters(and dog owners in general). **** happens.
If I was ever in the situation that I hit someones dog I would stop to check it and at least see if it had a number on its collar to call.

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Posted by Dirtdevil on 03-15-2013 03:31 AM:

Unless a driver leaves the road to hit a dog ... they aren't at fault and don't have to stop unless it's to get your info so you can pay for damages ... it's the law and it's right , don't let something run out if you really value it .

I hit a big Lab last year , luckily my brush guard handled it .. I drug the dog into their yard and the guys said it was ok , like they weren't upset .. they got an attitude change when I explained that I didn't run up in their yard to tear my truck up , so I'd be back and expecting a check if anything fell apart.

A dog is just a dog , it's not a human or a kid or family ... it licks it's butt and has no soul ... the road is for humans and families and kids and our loved ones that do have souls ... the two don't mix ... dogs and roads are no comparison to chocolate and peanut butter.

Posted by brogy on 03-15-2013 03:44 AM:

I didn't read all the posts but a few years ago near me a couple guys were hunting not too far off a blacktop county road and one of the dogs got onto the road. A young lady came driving by and swerved to miss the dog, rolled her vehicle and was banged up pretty good. She was also pregnant and lost the baby in the accident. I don't know if anything came of it but it sure would be a bad feeling.
With Garmin technology and e-collars, hounds got no business being on the road. It happens but when it happens to me I do my darndest to get 'em caught fast.

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Posted by garminguru on 03-15-2013 05:00 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by H DOG
Garminguru you sound like real piece trash trash on a stick

Well, not sure what trash on a stick is but if you feel that way without even knowing me then that is fine.
I work full time, pay my taxes, give well over 10%, treat others with care and respect, and will tell you honestly what I think.
If that is your idea of trash then what do you think of people who do not do these things?
You profess Jesus as your Lord and call someone trash on a stick? What does that say about you sir?

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