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Posted by trackdriver on 02-10-2013 12:34 AM:

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Originally posted by rance56
lol, yea real dog eat dog world we live in. between chuirch, charities, government, freinds, familiy ect ect the USA is far from a dog eat dog eat world.

People have been falling victim to churches,chaities,gov.friends,and even family for years on,dog eat dog. You play weak and you'll see who will take advantage of you. To many examples of div.and conq.in the good ole usa.

Posted by rance56 on 02-10-2013 12:43 AM:

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Originally posted by trackdriver
People have been falling victim to churches,chaities,gov.friends,and even family for years on,dog eat dog. You play weak and you'll see who will take advantage of you. To many examples of div.and conq.in the good ole usa.

obama's mantra is divide and conquer. he tries to play as many sides against each other as possible. that is one of my main issues with him.

no one is going to take advantage of me farther than ill allow or father than i can afford, someone taking advantage of me other than our good friends in DC is the least of my worries.

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Posted by trackdriver on 02-10-2013 01:06 AM:

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Originally posted by rance56
obama's mantra is divide and conquer. he tries to play as many sides against each other as possible. that is one of my main issues with him.

no one is going to take advantage of me farther than ill allow or father than i can afford, someone taking advantage of me other than our good friends in DC is the least of my worries.

All politians do,every election cycle. You show me one politian that doesn't play one against another?

Posted by JiM on 02-10-2013 01:22 PM:

Dorner is just pissed off about getting fired. All the rest is nothing but a lot of noise. It's no more complicated than one man going postal.
Gun ownership is protected by the constitution. The only possible way to ban guns is by changing the constitution. Not likely under any circumstances.

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Posted by trackdriver on 02-10-2013 01:44 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Dorner is just pissed off about getting fired. All the rest is nothing but a lot of noise. It's no more complicated than one man going postal.
Gun ownership is protected by the constitution. The only possible way to ban guns is by changing the constitution. Not likely under any circumstances.

Posted by hillbilly56 on 02-10-2013 02:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Dorner is just pissed off about getting fired. All the rest is nothing but a lot of noise. It's no more complicated than one man going postal.
Gun ownership is protected by the constitution. The only possible way to ban guns is by changing the constitution. Not likely under any circumstances.

if they find a area where they know he is they just need to sic the dogs on him and when they get him on the run take him out before he kills more innocent people good thing i aint no high up law enforcement officer we wouldnt be feeding a bunch of these lowlife people id run it like back in the old days dead or alive really dont matter

Posted by conhtr1 on 02-10-2013 02:37 PM:

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Originally posted by JiM

Gun ownership is protected by the constitution. The only possible way to ban guns is by changing the constitution. Not likely under any circumstances.

Actually there's 2 ways. Changing the constitution and changing the Supreme Court's interpretation of said constitution. I doubt I'll see my guns taken away in my lifetime.

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Posted by Wingman66 on 02-10-2013 03:08 PM:

quote:
Dorner is just pissed off about getting fired. All the rest is nothing but a lot of noise. It's no more complicated than one man going postal.
Gun ownership is protected by the constitution. The only possible way to ban guns is by changing the constitution. Not likely under any circumstances.

JiM... most folks on here don't take kindly to common sense.

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Posted by Bob Hennessey on 02-10-2013 04:49 PM:

Until the Media and a number of groups quit blaming society for what these nut cases do and blame the perpetrator this will continue. If we would get back to, when you do something wrong YOU PAY FOR IT, not society is the problem.

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Posted by Diggerman on 02-10-2013 05:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Dorner is just pissed off about getting fired. All the rest is nothing but a lot of noise. It's no more complicated than one man going postal.
Gun ownership is protected by the constitution. The only possible way to ban guns is by changing the constitution. Not likely under any circumstances.

Dorner was fired EIGHT years ago.I agree he went postal,but it has to be more than that.And if gun ownership is so protected by the Constitution,Why is our president so bent on gun control legislation?If it was so cut and dried, why is he wasteing so much time and energy on it? I do strongly believe we have to constantly defend the second ammendment.Don't you guys remember the last "assault weapons" ban.If gun owners are not all on the same page, it will happen again.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 02-10-2013 05:38 PM:

I think assault weapons are history. What Im worried about is what are they gonna get rid of under the ban. We will be hunting with single shot shotguns,pistols and rifles. Might better buy stock in Thompson center arms

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Posted by Bob Hennessey on 02-10-2013 06:41 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
I think assault weapons are history. What Im worried about is what are they gonna get rid of under the ban. We will be hunting with single shot shotguns,pistols and rifles. Might better buy stock in Thompson center arms

I have a TC encore in 243. I've been told under the gun control law they are trying to pass in MN it will be illegal because it has a thumb hole stock. Don't know what the finial bill will look like but you can't believe what guns that will be banned if the bill gets passed as it is written now.

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Posted by truly on 02-10-2013 07:44 PM:

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Originally posted by Diggerman
Dorner was fired EIGHT years ago.I agree he went postal,but it has to be more than that.

I agree that it has to be more than that.
I think it is what everyone in this thread is screaming about :
ACCOUNTABILITY.
And he feels that he followed all of the proper avenues to make folks accountable, and when that failed he went postal. Just like I think a bunch of you will do someday. Hit the end of the rope screaming about accountability and try to get some yourself.
We see it on this board all of the time. When a dog gets shot, or a hunter harassed, a dog stolen, a competitor cheated, a dog trader ripping some one off, we see people wanting to take accountability into their own hands.
And one of these times the person will be justified. Not this time. But will we be able to tell when it is? Considering the filter that the corporate owned media runs everything through?

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Posted by rance56 on 02-11-2013 01:24 PM:

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Originally posted by truly
I agree that it has to be more than that.
I think it is what everyone in this thread is screaming about :
ACCOUNTABILITY.
And he feels that he followed all of the proper avenues to make folks accountable, and when that failed he went postal. Just like I think a bunch of you will do someday. Hit the end of the rope screaming about accountability and try to get some yourself.
We see it on this board all of the time. When a dog gets shot, or a hunter harassed, a dog stolen, a competitor cheated, a dog trader ripping some one off, we see people wanting to take accountability into their own hands.
And one of these times the person will be justified. Not this time. But will we be able to tell when it is? Considering the filter that the corporate owned media runs everything through?

um you are trying to subsitute accountability with taking justice into your own hands. two completely different things.

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Posted by conhtr1 on 02-11-2013 01:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Dorner is just pissed off about getting fired. All the rest is nothing but a lot of noise. It's no more complicated than one man going postal.

All he has done is PROVE he had no business in the law enforcement. There are more crazies in law enforcement and the gun control crowd want us to be less armed?

Posted by JiM on 02-11-2013 03:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
I agree that it has to be more than that.
I think it is what everyone in this thread is screaming about :
ACCOUNTABILITY.
And he feels that he followed all of the proper avenues to make folks accountable, and when that failed he went postal. Just like I think a bunch of you will do someday. Hit the end of the rope screaming about accountability and try to get some yourself.

I doubt you really believe that, at least I sure hope you don't. It is far more likely that he followed all the proper avenues and got fired anyway because he DESERVED to be fired. Based on his present conduct, it is more likely that all his charges and accusations were false. He probably needed to be fired and his reaction is further proof that they were right in during him. Murdering three innocent people says all i need to know about him and says absolutely nothing about anyone else.

Posted by Wingman66 on 02-11-2013 05:10 PM:

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I thought that is what truly said. 'He' as in d o rne r, felt he followed the rules but when it didn't pan out he went postal.

Law enforcement ain't for everybody. A lot things in this world that isn't right. Some things the only thing you can do is learn from it, vow to not do those things and keep going.

Posted by casey brown on 02-11-2013 05:43 PM:

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Originally posted by rance56
the problem with folks like you an truely is that yall are ashamed of your country, you are ashamed of your race and you think you owe "victims" something. yall probally can sympothize some with the 9-11 terrorists with yalls line of thinking, and figths right in with obama's an obama's mother's way of thinking.

from the articles i read he got fired for falsifying a report. not onlly did his fellow policeman but also the hotel employees disputed dorners version of the truth. what else could be done?

you progressives need to understand life isnt fair, is never going to be fair, but the USA of the greatest country on this earth and the people that live here are the main reason for it. we arent perfect but the best this world has an we are the best superpower at playing the earths steward and promoter of peace. and yes, sometimes you have to have war to have peace.

What a foolish statement.I don't guess you read my post in a comprehensive and conceptual manner. I WAS SAYING WE SHOULDN'T SHRUG OFF HIS ACCUSATIONS. I don't know how you came away with the idea that I was a progressive. Far from it actually. I am just sitting here dumbfounded that you actually made this political. I simply stated that for someone to do something like that is extreme, and it needs to be investigated. His accusations shouldn't be ignored because he is crazy. Just because I agreed with Truly doesn't mean I am progressive. What a narrow minded view.

Oh by the way..... My original question was if people had read his manifesto? That is what lead me to my comment.

Posted by Wingman66 on 02-11-2013 05:58 PM:

casey... don't forget you are dealing with a right wingers. They are just as brainwashed as dorner. Somehow they let folks put crazy ideas in their heads and take it as truth. There are only 13 words of that they actually believe.

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you are ashamed of your race and you think you owe "victims" something

Posted by truly on 02-11-2013 06:05 PM:

Well Djorn er must be the most wanted man in the history of the U.S. MSN is reporting that they have authorization to use a drone to take him out.
http://now.msn.com/christopher-dorn...rget-on-us-soil
Apparently our government has decided he is such an enemy that they are willing to waive his right to trial, his right to see the evidence against him [habeus corpus], his right to be judged by a jury of his peers. Gubt vigillantism.

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Posted by JiM on 02-11-2013 06:09 PM:

Thank you. I always wonder what habeus corpus was.

Posted by casey brown on 02-11-2013 06:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Wingman66
casey... don't forget you are dealing with a right wingers. They are just as brainwashed as dorner. Somehow they let folks put crazy ideas in their heads and take it as truth. There are only 13 words of that they actually believe.

It's both sides. Too many ignorant people. Very few have a good understanding of the political system. I am a conservative because I know what conservatism is. I agree with those principles. But, I digress.

Posted by JiM on 02-11-2013 06:15 PM:

Your post is not true, TRULY. Nowhere does it say anything about taking him out.

Posted by Wingman66 on 02-11-2013 06:42 PM:

Oh good Lord truly don't give them right wingers a heart attack lol.

You folks ever hear of 'hummingbirds' and think this (maybe) is the first time the government has used them in the US ???

Posted by truly on 02-11-2013 06:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Thank you. I always wonder what habeus corpus was.

Jim, habeus corpus is the concept that the accused should be able to see what the body [corpus] of evidence is against him. Meaning no one gets to make accusations without the accused knowing what those accusations are, who made them and what supporting evidence they present. Our government had had a long history of supporting the rights of habeus corpus until 9-11 happened. Then we decided that gubt officials could bypass presenting evidence for "national security" reasons. Makes sense when it comes to foreign terrorists, but what about U.S. citizens? And what is the evidence that allows someone to be labeled a "terrorist".

Here is the quote that tells me that in fact they do have authorization to kill Dxorner, not just capture him. I guess you could read it either way:
"......the homicidal former cop currently at war with the LAPD, has become the first known human target for airborne drones on U.S. soil. Their use was confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio,".....

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