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Posted by Surveyor on 02-02-2013 04:39 PM:

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Originally posted by Cheyenne
rules are intended to be guidelines for all to follow making it equal for all to compete at the same level, the way some people think they can just make up their own set for their convience. then we wonder what the hell is wrong with the hunts today! i have been a MOH for years and its a thankless task, not to mention boring as hell, sitting there by yourself wishing you were hunting instead! Its funny the ones bitching about MOH's are the ones that bring nothing to the clubs in way of support! They want to dance while we pay the band!!!!!

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Posted by Knox on 02-02-2013 04:41 PM:

No......

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Originally posted by Gary Thompson
No cards can come back late because it can take away from another dog, but letting a dog enter late has nothing to do with another dog

.......what if the one that comes in late and it turns out to be the Winner....You don't think that's taking away from the other hounds that were there on time....?......Rules are there for a reason, you don't play by them then you don't hunt.....Period...!!

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Posted by headless01 on 02-02-2013 05:09 PM:

good MOH's should be thanked for their services. with that said, all are not good, and should not be allowed to hold the position.

went to bigger hunt in other -kc a few years ago, got there 5 min early and they were busy with papers and told me to wait a min, so i stood there to enter, 2 others came in, and when this fella got through, he skipped over me and entered the other 2 fellas, and then would not let me enter, intentionally bias.
he was president at the time, and nothing was ever done about it. now thats what i call a weasel.
FOLLOW ALL THE RULES, THATS WHY THEY ARE THERE.

Posted by H DOG on 02-02-2013 05:17 PM:

Whats wrong with the hunts is a bunch people want beat u with the rules cause they dont have enough dog power to beat u why not let the best coon dog win they are to many rule made gr nites out there now what do u have as far as a true coon dog nothing i want my dog to be made gr nite by being a power house coon dog not by using rules to beat some one

Posted by JiM on 02-02-2013 05:25 PM:

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Originally posted by H DOG
Whats wrong with the hunts is a bunch people want beat u with the rules cause they dont have enough dog power to beat u why not let the best coon dog win they are to many rule made gr nites out there now what do u have as far as a true coon dog nothing i want my dog to be made gr nite by being a power house coon dog not by using rules to beat some one

This is so funny.....if you can't win because the rules are being followed, you got a lot more to worry about than some dog being a "rule made gr nite". If this is the best you can come up with to badmouth the sport, you are truly scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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Posted by catsfan on 02-02-2013 05:26 PM:

there is a difference in being a minute late to sign up than being late to return the score card.in ukc if you singed someone up late it is not going to change the size of the trophy any.i would't let someone sign up over 15 min late but use some common sense.

Posted by chuck west on 02-02-2013 05:29 PM:

Well if people want to show up late ,its ok,,just tack on 225 minus , if they come in late another 225 minus,,,lol , now what ??
The rules are the rules until changed ,live with it .

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Posted by dogtrader9 on 02-02-2013 05:30 PM:

oh my God Jim. What is up with some of these guys?

Posted by GA DAWG on 02-02-2013 05:54 PM:

Its not our job at the club to get you you up and put you in your lil trucks to go to a hunt. We ain't your mama! Grow up. Give yourself plenty of time to get there. Guess what. Im a pkc hunter to. I hate that deadline crap in pkc. You end up waiting on the same ol people every time. Its bull crap. Give em an inch they take a mile comes to mind.

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Posted by Tully on 02-02-2013 06:07 PM:

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there is a difference in being a minute late to sign up than being late to return the score card.in ukc if you singed someone up late it is not going to change the size of the trophy any.i would't let someone sign up over 15 min late but use some common sense.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!

The rules plainly state that no entries are to be taken after the deadline, and no scorecards are to be accepted after the hunt deadline. Those are the rules!

In this case his headache could have been avoided by calling in a conditional entry. I've been running late on Friday night after work before and went ahead and called it in and paid the $5. No big deal as long as someone isn't going to make the cast wait after draw out. I was there a couple minutes early, but better safe than crying!

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Posted by Scary Creek on 02-02-2013 07:45 PM:

I think there should be alittle lead way say like 3 minutes after deadline or maybe even 5 minutes , make a guy pay a $ 1 more or something I dunno ? This is the crap that hurts the hunts ! My buddy drove 3 hours last week to a R q e he'd never hunted at this club , calls the contact in the book and just so happens to be the moh for directions cause he knew he was close to the club , the moh guides him in on the phone as Jamie is walking up to the table , now granted he's in the building walking toward the moh hollers deadline ? Really ? In my opinion this was childish and disrespectful to someone that drove 3 hours to support your club ? He should've maned up and said I don't think your gonna make it . My buddy told him he thought it was bull you know what and the moh told him not to ever come back to their club , as he went out the door a few club officers approached him and told him that this guy loves doin this to people and loves runnin people off , and their attendance is awful due to him and that they plan on getting another moh and asking him to step down off their board of directors at the club . They said he was a good guy til he got his moh and got voted in the board and his head swelled . Needless to say and make a long story short the guys took him pleasure huntin and didn't even hunt at their own club because of a arrogant moh .

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Posted by Dale Young on 02-02-2013 07:48 PM:

The way it is now is simply the way it is .
If you want it different you have to get a rule change passed .

If you want another 15 minutes for a grace period get a rule change that will let you enter up to 15 minutes late with a penalty of an additional $10 to enter late . Everybody would know they weren't leaving until the grace period was over . You still have to draw a line somewhere or you may as well set in the club house and watch movies all night . When does the movie start ????
If it's your fault for whatever reason there's a penalty . You don't participate or you pay more entry . Paying more usually gets you there on time in the first place so you don't have to .

Posted by big a on 02-02-2013 08:18 PM:

Conditional entry?

Hey I Like MOH well most of them anyways....lol.(It was a Hunt Director Last night) He was nice about

I did call to see what the time was on the clock.

It is my FAULT I was late Just the way it fell with work and every thing.(slow people on the road and with the truck I was in last night Passin someone is not a good idea LOL)

I would have payed $5 or $10 more to hunt or took -225, I just want to hunt!!!!

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Posted by Gary Thompson on 02-02-2013 08:24 PM:

No......

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Originally posted by Gary Thompson
No cards can come back late because it can take away from another dog, but letting a dog enter late has nothing to do with another dog
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.......what if the one that comes in late and it turns out to be the Winner....You don't think that's taking away from the other hounds that were there on time....?......Rules are there for a reason, you don't play by them then you don't hunt.....Period...!!

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I guess if the dog that shows up late and wins must have just been the better dog that night, And I really dont care if they change the rule or not , If I go the a ukc hunt , I show up on time, but I wouldnt care if a guy show up 30 mins after dead line,and he called ahead and told somebody there, and Im just talkin club hunts not big hunts

Posted by LIL-E on 02-02-2013 08:30 PM:

I see people call in their entry and pay $5 extra when they get there.

Posted by jculler8 on 02-02-2013 09:20 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Its not our job at the club to get you you up and put you in your lil trucks to go to a hunt. We ain't your mama! Grow up. Give yourself plenty of time to get there. Guess what. Im a pkc hunter to. I hate that deadline crap in pkc. You end up waiting on the same ol people every time. Its bull crap. Give em an inch they take a mile comes to mind.

I reckon in PKC deadline is important at the bigger $ hunts like they should be. The ma and pa hunts like it seems, same guys enter late don't matter round here bout the deadline long as casts aren't already drawn.

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Posted by ckirkham on 02-03-2013 03:23 AM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by H DOG
Whats wrong with the hunts is a bunch people want beat u with the rules cause they dont have enough dog power to beat u why not let the best coon dog win they are to many rule made gr nites out there now what do u have as far as a true coon dog nothing i want my dog to be made gr nite by being a power house coon dog not by using rules to beat some one [/
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If u got such a power house then rules shouldn't be able to beat you!

Posted by Come Get Some on 02-03-2013 04:27 AM:

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I myself do not hunt ukc i prefer pkc nothing personal just suits me better. The deadline rule is a little stiff if you ask me. If a man runs into bad traffic has vehicle problems hes not gonna make it. With a phone call I dont see the problem with letting he or she hunt. I know at my club if a man calls and says hes late then we hold it no problem nobody has never said a word. You would think that people wouldnt get so hyped up over hunting for a dust collector but hey its whatever floats your boat.

Posted by Bullet on 02-03-2013 09:45 PM:

The only time a deadline rule made me mad was when it was not enforced appropriately. The MOH called the casts out in the yard. He stated the deadline and said the official time by the gentleman's wristwatch that stood next to him. I synchronized my time piece to that "official time". I won my cast and returned and had 2-3 minutes to spare by that "official time". When I walked in he said that I was 2 minutes late and pointed to a clock on the table. I told him that is not the clock that he stated the official time on. He told me that it had to be because that is the only clock he had. I was mad to say the least but I know rules are rules. That is why the MOH needs to be sure which timepiece he/she uses to declare the "official time" by. This was a mini slam when they first started. I lost money and a qualification to the world hunt. By the way this club has since folded and is no longer in operation. I have not seen that MOH in years now. Just goes to show that lack of attention to detail is as important as rules. If you are strict to enforce the rules you had better be right in the way you use them or eventually it will bite you back.

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Posted by critter on 02-03-2013 10:14 PM:

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Originally posted by Tully
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!

The rules plainly state that no entries are to be taken after the deadline, and no scorecards are to be accepted after the hunt deadline. Those are the rules!

In this case his headache could have been avoided by calling in a conditional entry. I've been running late on Friday night after work before and went ahead and called it in and paid the $5. No big deal as long as someone isn't going to make the cast wait after draw out. I was there a couple minutes early, but better safe than crying!

Question on condictional entry.Went to a hunt last nite.NITE CH.cast,3dog.Was told we had a condictional entry.Waited 45-50 minutes for 3rd dog to arrive after draw out.Was this within the rules.By the way,no winner with plus points but still wonder about legality of holding cast up 45 minutes.

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Posted by Tully on 02-03-2013 10:42 PM:

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Question on condictional entry.Went to a hunt last nite.NITE CH.cast,3dog.Was told we had a condictional entry.Waited 45-50 minutes for 3rd dog to arrive after draw out.Was this within the rules.By the way,no winner with plus points but still wonder about legality of holding cast up 45 minutes.

They are honor rules and after 10-15 minutes after draw out I would say that handler would be scratched for delaying the cast.

Posted by JiM on 02-03-2013 11:01 PM:

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Question on condictional entry.Went to a hunt last nite.NITE CH.cast,3dog.Was told we had a condictional entry.Waited 45-50 minutes for 3rd dog to arrive after draw out.Was this within the rules.By the way,no winner with plus points but still wonder about legality of holding cast up 45 minutes.

This has been covered before. There is no set time that the cast must wait. When the cast is ready to go to the woods, anyone not ready can be scratched.

Posted by ysudep2 on 02-03-2013 11:06 PM:

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Posted by Dirtdevil on 02-04-2013 12:28 AM:

How often is someone a few minutes late and not allowed to hunt ? It's silly to me that the MOH isn't allowed to decide if the reason is legit and let them hunt ... but it's also silly that some of these threads span severap pages and in the real world it only happens once in a great while , lol ...

Posted by GA DAWG on 02-04-2013 12:36 AM:

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Originally posted by Dirtdevil
How often is someone a few minutes late and not allowed to hunt ? It's silly to me that the MOH isn't allowed to decide if the reason is legit and let them hunt ... but it's also silly that some of these threads span severap pages and in the real world it only happens once in a great while , lol ...

Its happened at our club in the last yr. Trouble is. If you allow more time. Where do you cut it off? 1 min, 10 min 20 min, 30 min, 1 hour? Where?

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