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Re: if you knew a dog was ruff??????
quote:no. All the problems we have with hounds are caused by irresponsible breeding. Once we stop breeding to win hunts or make easy cash and start breeding them for what our ancestors liked about coon hunting, we will all have good dogs that sound, act and work like coonhounds. Breeding is why we have yap mouth yard dogs and still mouth dogs that pass for coonhounds because they can locate coons. You could find coons with a heat sensing device. Would that make you a coonhound?
Originally posted by raftermkennels
If you knew a was ruff at the treed and would fight at the treed but was a nice coondog but just ruff at the treed would you still go bred to him
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Bobby sounds like Huckfinn said it right if you have trained young dogs etc they will show it before they are finished in pen around yard etc How many of these dogs can you haul in dog box together.
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Originally posted by sscace
Bobby sounds like Huckfinn said it right if you have trained young dogs etc they will show it before they are finished in pen around yard etc How many of these dogs can you haul in dog box together.
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Wouldn't a ruff dog be more of a personality and mentality problem than hereditary?
To me it's like saying Bonnie and Clyde will have children that will rob banks and murder. Or if two comedians have kids they will be funny.
I'm just asking.
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there's some english blood,the males are ruff at the tree!!
i think most know which one{s}..lol
seen it,owned it.
Re: Ruff Dogs
quote:no it doesn't mean they will turn out that way but their is a real good chance of it
Originally posted by Slowpoke 2012
Wouldn't a ruff dog be more of a personality and mentality problem than hereditary?
To me it's like saying Bonnie and Clyde will have children that will rob banks and murder. Or if two comedians have kids they will be funny.
I'm just asking.
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wish i got judged for what i was out of...my grandfather was a bull fighter lol JK
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i believe you can usually figure out which ones have a higher chance of being slightly rough when they are weaned pups. i never ever go for pups that act cocky, rule the feed dish or carry their tail over their backs. I dont care what pup i ever get out of a litter and will usually close my eyes and pick one ; but i will pass on any of what i mentioned
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quote:would you bread to a dog knowing it was ill?? Or buy a pup out of two dogs that are proven to be ill??
Originally posted by Dwils
wish i got judged for what i was out of...my grandfather was a bull fighter lol JK
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Originally posted by walkerdog1
would you bread to a dog knowing it was ill?? Or buy a pup out of two dogs that are proven to be ill??
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quote:ok would you bread to a dog that's ben hunted but never treed a coon or buy a pup out of two dogs that haven't?? That's not to say that no dog out of a cross like this will turn out some will some won't id rather spend my money for traits that i like
Originally posted by josh
Does Dwils get a strange urge to fight a bull in the middle of the nite?
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It has been my experience that some guys dont mind hunting a rough dog, and for some strage reason they ALWAYS have a dog that is a little rough no matter what its out of.
take from this what you want.....
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Ruff dogs hurt good honest dogs and especially the young . We want to bash the silent ones , babbling , and breed to the mean ones . Once a dog recieves a ban for fighting the registries need to refuse to litter enroll thier pups
quote:how many do they ruin before they get one that can hang with old gator most hunters tend to hunt the same line of dogs that have the same traits aswell so ye id say if they dont mind a rough dog they most likely do get more then one.
Originally posted by josh
It has been my experience that some guys dont mind hunting a rough dog, and for some strage reason they ALWAYS have a dog that is a little rough no matter what its out of.
take from this what you want.....
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If you listen to people talk, nobody wants a "mean dog",but almost everyone wants their dog to "stay under any conditions",that is a large grey area......
It is hard to get 1 that will "stay under any conditions", and not be a "mean dog".....
I have seen dogs that were perfect angels around the house, or around people, and around other dogs, until food,or a dead racoon, or a tree that dogs are treein on, then these same dogs flip a switch and "flip out".
Most of this in my opinion is a bred in trait, sometimes other things in the dogs behavior contributes into the dog, creating a bad habit, like "nipping" anything that touches them, be it a owners hand, or arm, or another dog that bumps them when they are all worked up.....
After a while that becomes a problem, and it don't take long before their guard is up, and they are ready for a confrontation at every tree,now your buddies all are saying your dog is mean...
Some dogs are treedogs, and are sneaky about being mean, because some man has influenced them to be nice when the lights are on them.....And those same owners brag about how "he will stay ,and he aint mean",but he jacks the tree,he will fight over a dead coon, and if whipped, he will bite his owner,but "he aint mean"...
People want their dogs to win,that is human nature,and a lot of winners are perfect angels at the tree, but a lot of them "will stay"or "bleed to be treeed"!
So alot of it has to do with what some are hunting at the moment, and we all know if what we are hunting is mean or not.
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Originally posted by walkerdog1
A trainer can do a lot but you can't change nature imo
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I think that they can also .. I was at a local money hunt yrs back and a very well known handler and dog was in my cast . My dog treed as time ran out his female backed me we scored the tree and the whole time this guy was obviously pissed that his dog had backed mine so as we were leaving he stopped behind us and all heck broke lose , It wasn't very nice having to listen to this fella back there 5o yrds working this dog over . When he arrived at the truck I brought to his attention and he replied that she knew better to back a dog . So some people yes will do anything in they're training to do whatever to make a hound what they want . Now for the big ? will all dogs take it and learn ? No some will break and become shy or stop hunting all together or some will learn and become what they're masters want ..JMO
quote:you can make a pet out of a coon but there's always a chance you'll get bit nature can take over at any time
Originally posted by josh
I disagree when it comes to this....Most dogs can be made rough.
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Re: Ruff Dogs
quote:No. It is hereditary.
Originally posted by Slowpoke 2012
Wouldn't a ruff dog be more of a personality and mentality problem than hereditary?
To me it's like saying Bonnie and Clyde will have children that will rob banks and murder. Or if two comedians have kids they will be funny.
I'm just asking.
quote:I've trained coonhounds and labs for 30 years. Coonhounds hunt for themselves and not for you. What they do is in them, like it or not. You CAN screw one up breaking them that way but some extremely hard headed dogs can take it and excel where most will not. Labs you think are bred to retrieve and they are. They hunt for you! Different attitude. Getting one to retrieve a ball in the yard is a lot different than getting one to retrieve 100 geese in a day in frozen temps and water through heavy gun fire.
Originally posted by dawgtired62
I think that they can also .. I was at a local money hunt yrs back and a very well known handler and dog was in my cast . My dog treed as time ran out his female backed me we scored the tree and the whole time this guy was obviously pissed that his dog had backed mine so as we were leaving he stopped behind us and all heck broke lose , It wasn't very nice having to listen to this fella back there 5o yrds working this dog over . When he arrived at the truck I brought to his attention and he replied that she knew better to back a dog . So some people yes will do anything in they're training to do whatever to make a hound what they want . Now for the big ? will all dogs take it and learn ? No some will break and become shy or stop hunting all together or some will learn and become what they're masters want ..JMO
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Originally posted by josh
Does Dwils get a strange urge to fight a bull in the middle of the nite?
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Originally posted by josh
Does Dwils get a strange urge to fight a bull in the middle of the nite?
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somtimes its tough to keep up.....
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quote:X2, MANY HAVE HAD PUPS OF MEAN IDIOTS AND PROBALLY DID'NT KNOW IT, BUT THE BREEDER KNOWS IT, YET THEY KEEP BREEDING THEM BECAUSE ITS THE BEST THEY CAN GET, AND KEEP HOPING, JUST MAYBE. ITS TOUGH TO KEEP UP.
Originally posted by Dwils
Josh my earlier comment about bull fighting was a complete joke and nothing more . But the answer is no . As far as would I buy or breed to a dog i knew was rough dog the answer is no . You will be hard pressed to see me get a pup outside of what I'm hunting now. They are what I enjoy hunting and I have good luck with them. Plus it's more rewarding Huntin what you raise
I will say this ... Many of you have had pups off complete alligators and probably didn't know it And even bred to them too based on their win resume and who owned them and/or how they were bred. I know of couple dogs local .... Pretty big winners and no doubt where excellent total package coondogs ... But no names will be spoke and if you ask anyone about them they will say total coondogs , but pretty ruthless. And besides I've yet to see ill pups off either of those dogs
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LET ME ASK YOU BOYS A QUESTION WHAT DO YOU CALL STAYING UNDER ANY KIND PRESSURE I OWNED A SKUNNA RIVER LIPPER MALE MADE GRAND NITE AT 3 WOULD STAY UNDER ANY KIND PRESSURE INCLUDING FANG PRESSURE YOU COULD HAUL A MALE WITH HIM NO PROBLEM S ANY THING COULD TREE WITH HIM WHEN THEY STARTED THE FIGHT HE WOULD GIVE IT RIGHT TO THEM AND GO BACK TREEING LIKE NOTHING HAPPEN HE WAS REALLY SMART QUIET AROUND THE HOUSE A BIG HUNTIN DOG A LONE WAS 70 PERCENT ACCURATE HE DIED HERE BURIED IN MY BACK YARD RIP OLD BUDDY WOULD YA CALL THAT MEAN DONT THINK SO
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