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Don't want anything but dead silent. In my limited experience the smarter they get the tighter mouth they get. When they get silent it saves a lot of walking and time which turns into more turnouts which in turn puts me looking at more game.

It seems funny to me that everyone is bashing the babble mouthed me to dogs. Yet most dogs that are so called "silent" are me too dogs that simply pull up treed on the 1st tree a working dog checks. Good coondogs check there tree throw a locate or up bark and a few seconds later settle down treed. The tailgater just hammers that tree before the coondog gets a full bark out. The handler to the silent dog usally pitches his dog on strike when 2 or 3 dogs open at the same time and steels a good strike here and there. Once again the coondog that really does all the work gets beat. Every draw out with a babbler and a silent dog in the same cast. Its a nitemare for the real coondog, the end up with 2nd or 3rd strike and 3rd tree all nite. The only time the coondog wins is if they check trees and move on. The tailgaters pile up on the wrong tree while Mr. coondog is sitting treed split with the meat. But the tailgate handlers always want to waste the full 10 min shinning there slick tree.

A silent dog is a me too dog, your crazy !!!!!! Now, you want to see a me too dog, go get you a babbling fool, the kind that barks all the time. Now that's a junk me too dog right their...

I agree, every tight mouth dog I've hunted with have been alone at least one time in a cast with a coon.

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One mans trash is another mans treasure! I am currently hunting a 26 month old dog that is silent on layups open on hot tracks and quick to lock down . He is by np means a coon dog still has few problems we need to fix have seen atleast 150+ coon over him in his second kill season . He will sometimes coattail a real open dog and hang around to see whats up . Put him in one htx hunt passed easily . According to some he needs to be euphanized and others glorified . He just a dog and does dog stuff , we hunt about twice a week in south ga. on.public land and he trees 4 or 5 a week in places where others have given up . Coondog NO WAY ! Mine yes ! I like tight mouth on heavy hunted game makes huge difference

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Originally posted by River Birch Run
It seems funny to me that everyone is bashing the babble mouthed me to dogs. Yet most dogs that are so called "silent" are me too dogs that simply pull up treed on the 1st tree a working dog checks. Good coondogs check there tree throw a locate or up bark and a few seconds later settle down treed. The tailgater just hammers that tree before the coondog gets a full bark out. The handler to the silent dog usally pitches his dog on strike when 2 or 3 dogs open at the same time and steels a good strike here and there. Once again the coondog that really does all the work gets beat. Every draw out with a babbler and a silent dog in the same cast. Its a nitemare for the real coondog, the end up with 2nd or 3rd strike and 3rd tree all nite. The only time the coondog wins is if they check trees and move on. The tailgaters pile up on the wrong tree while Mr. coondog is sitting treed split with the meat. But the tailgate handlers always want to waste the full 10 min shinning there slick tree.

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A dog that is silent should'nt be a problem for anybody, or one that opens according to track, or a dog that is having alittle trouble on the track and standing on his head alittle, or a dog that is driffting a track.. but a dog that barks from the time you unsnap it untill the time it gets treed, that's the kind everbody needs to work on getting rid of no matter what breed it is....

Mike69
I said silent, not tight. There is a BIG difference. Silent dogs are me too dogs most of the time. Tight mouth dogs are working tracks, just don't open much.
walkerdog1
I have no problems here I have a few coondogs I do well with in the big hunts. I don't mind a tight mouthed dog at all.

Most silent dogs I have hunted with are alone away from the pack sitting with the coon. They were very accurate. They check their tree before they ever open. Watch one on a garmin and see for yourself. JMO

[QUOTE]Originally posted by River Birch Run
Mike69
I said silent, not tight. There is a BIG difference. Silent dogs are me too dogs most of the time. Tight mouth dogs are working tracks, just don't open much.
walkerdog1
I have no problems here I have a few coondogs I do well with in the big hunts. I don't mind a tight mouthed dog at all. [/QUOT

Yea there's a difference in silent and tight mouthed. I agree

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Originally posted by mike69
[QUOTE]Originally posted by River Birch Run
Mike69
I said silent, not tight. There is a BIG difference. Silent dogs are me too dogs most of the time. Tight mouth dogs are working tracks, just don't open much.
walkerdog1
I have no problems here I have a few coondogs I do well with in the big hunts. I don't mind a tight mouthed dog at all. [/QUOT

Yea there's a difference in silent and tight mouthed. I agree

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I have honest fast striking dogs, yes I do get beat on strike by babblers here and there. I really could care less about still mouth dogs either there pretty easy to beat if you keep there handlers in check and don't let them pitch them. When your hunting a coondog you will win more than you loose to them. But it does leave a bad taste in your mouth when these type of dogs win tailgating a good dog. My point was simply alot of people claim to have a still mouthed dog and don't even realize they can't even tree there own coon, there hijacking another dog that checked a tree. I have a habit of asking the handlers of these dogs how often they hunt there dog alone. I always get the same answer, NEVER. I just have to laugh. I have hunted with one silent dog that was a coondog. She was always off to herself with a coon. Her handler won all over the country pitching her on strike, and if a dog did cover, well lets just say they usally were not there buy the time the cast got there lol.

I hate babblers........never could stand one. Idc if it wins, still a cull imo.

silent.....not crazy about it, but I dont realy consider it a fault...i just prefer them to open as long as its honest....given a choice of the 2 i would shoot the babbler and feed the silent one i guess.

lots on here seem to think silent meens last strike......not always so in my exp.......just depends on who what where and when.....ive seen slilent dogs take first and first (in honest company) as often as last and first....in fact ive won pretty soundly with nothing but first and first with silent dog in the distant past...Raider.

in the thick coon where tracks go nowhere, where most large hunts are held, the 50f or less a track is ran doesnt make a difference if the dogs are open or silent. It takes a fast locate dog that can be treed on its locate. period. I call them squirell dogs in coondog hides.

Getting back on topic here.
If you are one of those on this thread who have made a silent dog a nt ch or grand, then you are dishonest and should be ashamed of yourself!
Up until I raised this young dog I have now, I would not even comment on this subject but he is mostly silent in that he will only open, and that is very little, if the track is smoking hot.
You can't strike a dog on locate unless you are a cheater! Why is that you ask??? Because a locate is in direct correlation to a tree. If the tree was not involved, there would be no locate. A dog does not run through the woods locate barking on the track that has been laid on the ground!
If I ever made my dog a nt ch it would be because I struck him honestly and that would cost way more money than I am willing to spend. My only other option would be to strike him on locate (which is NOT a track bark) or call someone elses dog which would make me a liar!
I am not doing either and those of you who do should be ashamed!

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Originally posted by garminguru
Getting back on topic here.
If you are one of those on this thread who have made a silent dog a nt ch or grand, then you are dishonest and should be ashamed of yourself!
Up until I raised this young dog I have now, I would not even comment on this subject but he is mostly silent in that he will only open, and that is very little, if the track is smoking hot.
You can't strike a dog on locate unless you are a cheater! Why is that you ask??? Because a locate is in direct correlation to a tree. If the tree was not involved, there would be no locate. A dog does not run through the woods locate barking on the track that has been laid on the ground!
If I ever made my dog a nt ch it would be because I struck him honestly and that would cost way more money than I am willing to spend. My only other option would be to strike him on locate (which is NOT a track bark) or call someone elses dog which would make me a liar!
I am not doing either and those of you who do should be ashamed!

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Originally posted by J Bentz
I had one that was stone cold silent on the ground, was deep and alone everydrop and had the grease when you got their... Finished him out to GrandNite Champion and had nothing but complaints in every hunt I put him in because he would'nt open on the ground....I guess everybody was mad because their junk dogs could'nt ride his tail to the tree... I like one that's silent, it will show you who's packing a real coondog in a hunt..

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I love a silent dog. The quiter on the track the better. I will gladly take last strike and first tree. The ones that I have will most of the time be bythemselves anyway. But yes I do have to tree an extra coon or hope somebody makes a mistake along the way. I dont consider it cheating.

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Has UKC. ever published an advisor column about how they define Silent. If a dog runs a track along a creek opening here and there until treed, and then goes on to three 2 or 3 coon silent should that dog be scratched.
How would you scratch a dog for being silent once he has strike points on the card? EX. dog is struck for a quarter and then treed in the same area. Seems to me once the judge records strike points on the card he will have a hard time makeing a case to scratch the dog for being silent.

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Lay-ups??? It don't take a silent dog to tree lay-ups, maybe a smart dog with skill, but not silent. Do you think it should be scratched?

If that's the only way you can beat my silent dog, then go ahead and scratch me...No big deal to me, but just remember...mine will be setting alone with a coon...where will your's be, backing another dog, or lucky to find his own.....If I'm a cheater for bringing a dog that will split with a coon every drop, then so be it... Atleast I know I'm packing a real coondog !!!!!

Boys, we can talk on the silent dogs all we want. But that is not the problem I have in the hunts. I am drawing 50 times more babblers than silent dogs. I don't care how the rules are written or enforced, babblers are the real cheaters.

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Originally posted by Billy Beckham
If he barks once per track that's enough.

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Originally posted by J Bentz
If that's the only way you can beat my silent dog, then go ahead and scratch me...No big deal to me, but just remember...mine will be setting alone with a coon...where will your's be, backing another dog, or lucky to find his own.....If I'm a cheater for bringing a dog that will split with a coon every drop, then so be it... Atleast I know I'm packing a real coondog !!!!!

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Hey, I'm out... I quit, I'll just walk him over boot hill and forget about it.. That way I'm not cheating anybody...

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Originally posted by Bobby Reynolds
Boys, we can talk on the silent dogs all we want. But that is not the problem I have in the hunts. I am drawing 50 times more babblers than silent dogs. I don't care how the rules are written or enforced, babblers are the real cheaters.

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