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Posted by blackflagginit on 01-25-2013 09:18 PM:

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Originally posted by Bobby Reynolds
I think you would be surprised if you knew how much of this kind of breeding was done out behind the woodshed before dna came into effect and breeders could move the papers around. It was done alot more than we think and that is where alot of dominate stud dogs came from. Alot considered it taboo, so breeders kept it quite.

you may not realise just exactly how close you came to hittin the nail on the head with that

.........the storys i could tell ya...and about almost every breed.

Posted by Bobby Reynolds on 01-25-2013 09:23 PM:

From what I have seen and heard, I would say that nail was countersunk.

Posted by pigsit on 01-25-2013 09:26 PM:

I have a linebred family of "Lipper-type" dogs, they have speed,tracking ability and are reasonably accurate, with good mouths. I have had several half brother/sister crosses over the years. I currently have a male, I had two, but one died from pneumonia; went from nothing to GRNTCH in ten hunts, two were RQE's, I lost the first one. The other male was 1st place and high scoring dog the two times I hunted him. When making a line bred cross I would be more concerned about the strong and weak points of the parents and grand parents, than that they were line-bred. With line breeding you intensify the strong as well as the weak points, and you can't tell by looking what pups have in their heads, until you start them. A good rule of lthumb is "never breed to a male or female that you wouldn't want a pup like." Then too, when you line breed you will find that the strain gets a little bit "quirkie", some things you can live with some you can't. Tom

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Posted by chuck west on 01-25-2013 09:30 PM:

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Originally posted by Bobby Reynolds
I think you would be surprised if you knew how much of this kind of breeding was done out behind the woodshed before dna came into effect and breeders could move the papers around. It was done alot more than we think and that is where alot of dominate stud dogs came from. Alot considered it taboo, so breeders kept it quite.

OOOhhhh YEEaaahhh ,,,lol,,more of the truth coming out,,just be careful dropping names Bobby .

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Posted by Bobby Reynolds on 01-25-2013 09:31 PM:

I have been very carefull not to do that Chuck, LOL

Posted by slobbermouth21 on 01-25-2013 10:13 PM:

mr bobby is right though aint no tellen what dogs had in them and how they were bred until dna came along my pawpaw was agiesnt it alot of old timers were from what i herd when it came along

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Posted by kayapellijed390 on 01-25-2013 10:16 PM:

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How bout breeding litter mates outa different breedings?

Jesse, the best dog we have ever owned is out if a full brother sister cross from two different litters, several years apart. I have now breed this same dog to his half sister with some pretty remarkable results. I really like breeding super tight. I talked to John Wick about this type of breeding and he is doing the same thing now. He told me he has dogs now that show the sire he was linebreeding/inbreeding on 13 times in their pedigree. I kinda chuckled at the Freaks or Geeks comment, that is pretty spot on.

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Posted by Whordel on 01-26-2013 12:54 AM:

For the ones who have made these crosses have you seen more of the traits come from the parents or the grandparents?

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Posted by Randy Howard on 01-26-2013 01:14 AM:

Interesting topic. so from what I am reading 1/2 brother sister cross would pretty much be OK with all? would help rebuild some old blood.

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Posted by robert whitten on 01-26-2013 01:21 AM:

lol like an old man told me once '' it's called linebreeding when it works . and inbreeding when it don't . '' i am all for and have had very good results with the half brother , sister cross . then take a female from the cross and put back on the sire . did it with them old roosters , dogs no differant . did it with cattle for a long time calves just kept getting better . if you got good genes to begin with, you can go a long ways . but that is the trick .

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Posted by slobbermouth21 on 01-26-2013 01:23 AM:

i think the old blood would be harder to sell pups off of because alot of people wouldnt have the patience to train a pup that really didnt start turning it on good until it was two years old and would do more harm because they are used to these bred up tree power dogs that all you got to do when they get started is slap a tree and make a fighten coon sound and they start treeing even when nothing is there.

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Posted by dburnette on 01-26-2013 01:32 AM:

True slobber but whos going to have a coon more often. I made a cross today old blood half brother an sistertrying to stay away from these tree dogs. Trying to get track power so we can have something 10 years from now.

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Posted by steve pickett on 01-26-2013 01:35 AM:

linebreeding

i just got through raising a litter of pups,that are line breed to an old dog i used to have several yrs ago,he in pedigree of pups 2 times and with some other good dogs that i like 2 and 3 times each.just trying to keep some ol breeding up close.

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Posted by Jay Bird 76 on 01-26-2013 01:51 AM:

Ive done bro sis cross with rabbit beagles. She had six pups...3 had huge soft heads and died right away...other three made great dogs. I wouldnt do it again cause that could have caused a c section... those lines had blocky heads, so it caused the problem im sure.

Posted by slobbermouth21 on 01-26-2013 01:52 AM:

if your gonna pay a stud fee out of a male that is ukc and pkc hunted ask to see his win slips and see how much he scored and how much he got minused i think the english dog that won the pkc world totaly awsome or whatever his name is won it with 75 points i dont know if its true or not but if it is its just proof you dont have to be a coondog to win hunts.

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Posted by Randy Howard on 01-26-2013 02:02 AM:

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Originally posted by dburnette
True slobber but whos going to have a coon more often. I made a cross today old blood half brother an sistertrying to stay away from these tree dogs. Trying to get track power so we can have something 10 years from now.

I'm with you there, but why can't we have both, always did with the old blood in my dogs, they started fairly early and were cold nosed, honest strike, track moving,go huntin, accurate tree hounds that didn't stand on there heads and run back and forth, thats my goal, don't want hot nosed tree dogs, I want cold nosed coon tree'rs and good lay up hounds a plus.

Posted by Randy Howard on 01-26-2013 02:19 AM:

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Originally posted by slobbermouth21
if your gonna pay a stud fee out of a male that is ukc and pkc hunted ask to see his win slips and see how much he scored and how much he got minused i think the english dog that won the pkc world totaly awsome or whatever his name is won it with 75 points i dont know if its true or not but if it is its just proof you dont have to be a coondog to win hunts.

Believe that hound had plus points every cast to get to the top and win PKC world and liked to be alone with the coon, evidently a nice hound has done alot of winning and a little luck, coons, money, good handlers etc. helps Be nice to win it big like that, most of these men that win alot of the major hunts have deffinetly paid theire dues, congrats to all of them

Posted by steve pickett on 01-26-2013 02:29 AM:

i would just soon to breed to a world champion with 75+ as to breed to one with 1500+ the 75+ looks more honest to me.not all cast get into a bunch of coon from my experience....

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Posted by Randy Howard on 01-26-2013 03:30 AM:

Yes your right Steve, tree a couple coons in a hunt and have 1 by yourself most of the time consistantly and you can win some hunts if your dog doesn't draw alot of minus . I'll take those odds every night, but they are all dogs some good nights some bad nights (darn the bad nights LOL) All a guy can do is win your cast and the rest is luck.

Posted by steve pickett on 01-26-2013 02:34 PM:

most of the time it is hard to beat a dog who will get a coon by himself. i do like a good track dog but sometimes a dog just needs to shut up and look for a tree to.i was in a hunt and was hunting in a big corn field coons were giving dogs fits running around up and down the rows,i hadn't heard my dog for awhile one of the other men in the cast said where is ur dog i said he is looking for the coon he kinda looked at me, in a few minutes my dog came treed about 150 yrds. in the woods from the corn field he had 3 coon up the tree,a dog needs to use his head as well as his nose in my openion.not bragging but sometimes a dog needs to use his head to.

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Posted by Randy Howard on 01-26-2013 03:01 PM:

NOSE AND BRAINS TO USE IT

I like em when every thing else is out there running up down the rows and they peel off into the woods or skirt the edge and find em where they run out and get hooked, have seen this a few times (brains and experiance in finding coons helps)

Posted by steve pickett on 01-26-2013 03:03 PM:

yes and it hard to find a dog with both sometimes!!!

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Posted by Randy Howard on 01-26-2013 03:30 PM:

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Originally posted by robert whitten
lol like an old man told me once '' it's called linebreeding when it works . and inbreeding when it don't . '' i am all for and have had very good results with the half brother , sister cross . then take a female from the cross and put back on the sire . did it with them old roosters , dogs no differant . did it with cattle for a long time calves just kept getting better . if you got good genes to begin with, you can go a long ways . but that is the trick .

Thats funny you said that was thinking of doing just what you said to build back on line. Linebreed and if doesn't work out inbreeding LOL have to remember that one..

Posted by Bobby Reynolds on 01-26-2013 11:06 PM:

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Originally posted by slobbermouth21
if your gonna pay a stud fee out of a male that is ukc and pkc hunted ask to see his win slips and see how much he scored and how much he got minused i think the english dog that won the pkc world totaly awsome or whatever his name is won it with 75 points i dont know if its true or not but if it is its just proof you dont have to be a coondog to win hunts.

Proof you don't have to have a coondog to win a world hunt? Surely you are not serious. Maybe you have never hunted in the PKC world Hunt. I have for several years now. It is just a great honor and accomplishment to make it to the final four of that world hunt. You don't get that far hunting an average dog. That dog had a good week down there. Making a comment like that sure don't show much intelligence in my book.

Posted by slobbermouth21 on 01-27-2013 01:53 PM:

we quit going to the world and all the others in 07 my brother just got burned out on the sport after doing it night in night out for almost 30 years ive hunted and hunted with dogs thats been hunted in the world a few times but never handled in it i did handle and win a few youths i just really rather start when i want to start and go home when i want to go home instead of haven to go by a time limit and as someone put it earlier that dog had plus points to get to that win at the world and thats true but 75 points from that i herd not sayen its true is piss poor srry in my eyes now could they of had a bad cast and not been put on alot of coons or feeder buckets? true but if he is that good he ought to of atleast had one or two looken down on them when they shined the tree hell i got a no good ****** ass pr dog that ill turn aloose with the world champion if its my night ill beat him if its not my night i want.

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