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Posted by JiM on 01-19-2013 09:54 PM:

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Originally posted by dperry
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Posted by JiM on 01-19-2013 09:59 PM:

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Originally posted by jculler8

Also, in your number crunching, you forgot the fact that money is compounding annually and more dogs pay into the program than what is collected. (Very few dogs that pay in actually reward out).

Well, I may be wrong but I sure thought UKC always told us the fund was totally paid out at the end of each year (minus the 10% they keep for clerical costs) so nothing was left over from year to year. In other words, Jan 1st starts with nothing in the pot. But I might be wrong about that.

Posted by jculler8 on 01-19-2013 10:05 PM:

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Originally posted by JiM
Well, I may be wrong but I sure thought UKC always told us the fund was totally paid out at the end of each year (minus the 10% they keep for clerical costs) so nothing was left over from year to year. In other words, Jan 1st starts with nothing in the pot. But I might be wrong about that.

Okay, okay makes sense. I guess my argument is that I wish all of that money was not lost in the past, therefore point values would be worth more now. I'm guessing guys got very large checks in year 2 and guys with same types of wins in year 3 got next to nothing in comparison to the previous year.

Why didn't ukc understand that the pot would be "extra big" at first when dogs started collecting and make adjustments accordingly before the fact?

Same situation as 2012 autumn oaks and 2012 world when the final casts came back after 2 hours without plus points?

Are any of you all starting to see what I am seeing here?

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Posted by jculler8 on 01-19-2013 10:26 PM:

Here's a HIGH SCHOOL math teacher with a logical proposition for the program at its birth: (hypothetically speaking)

Year 1: $1,000,000 into the pot between sire, litter and pup registration, no pay out or very little because pups are too young to win. Compounding interest on the account.

Year 2: another $1,000,000 in the pot and 25% of total is paid out at the end of year 2. (Dogs are just becoming old enough to really earn).

Year 3: 2point max cap, with another$1,000,000 in the pot. So $1.5 mil from previous 2years plus $1 mil this year for a total of $2.5 mil, not counting interest. Payout 75% at the end of year 3 and continue to compound, so 8 year old dogs earning points down the road do not deplete the program's point value.

Year 4: there's $1.875 mil plus whatever the program has grown to in the pot collecting annually and pay out 110% of year's premium.

Problem solved?

Posted by slobbermouth21 on 01-19-2013 11:45 PM:

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Originally posted by JiM
You guys seem to miss the point of these programs. First of all comparing All Grand to a nominated pup shows just how far off base you really are because All Grand refers to a level that was earned by the dogs ancestors. PRP and SS are something that is just simply bought. Any numbscull pup can be paidup no matter how totally worthless they are. That a pup is PRP and/or SS says absolutely nothing about that pup itself. So it ISN'T like comparing a Caddy to a Ford, it isn't a comparison at all. The reason so many won't feed any pup that isn't paid up is because they prolly consider it wasteful to spend time, effort and money to develope a pup that isn't eligible to earn all that money and that will NEVER be worth as much as one that IS eligible. I don't know anyone that would buy a pup that wasn't PRP nominated but I'm sure many do.

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Posted by walkerdog1 on 01-20-2013 05:41 AM:

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Originally posted by JiM
You guys seem to miss the point of these programs. First of all comparing All Grand to a nominated pup shows just how far off base you really are because All Grand refers to a level that was earned by the dogs ancestors. PRP and SS are something that is just simply bought. Any numbscull pup can be paidup no matter how totally worthless they are. That a pup is PRP and/or SS says absolutely nothing about that pup itself. So it ISN'T like comparing a Caddy to a Ford, it isn't a comparison at all. The reason so many won't feed any pup that isn't paid up is because they prolly consider it wasteful to spend time, effort and money to develope a pup that isn't eligible to earn all that money and that will NEVER be worth as much as one that IS eligible. I don't know anyone that would buy a pup that wasn't PRP nominated but I'm sure many do.

its not a comparason it just means a pup that's not all grand or pp and ss can make as good or a beater dog as the ones that are

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Posted by Dogwhisper on 01-20-2013 01:55 PM:

Compounded interest/10% clerical fees.
Sounds like double dippin to me!!!!
Thers our potential increase in point value.
Compounded interest!
Wish they would distribute the interest bac to us!
Instead they raise r fees, to up the point value!
JTOL.

Posted by jculler8 on 01-20-2013 02:18 PM:

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
Compounded interest/10% clerical fees.
Sounds like double dippin to me!!!!
Thers our potential increase in point value.
Compounded interest!
Wish they would distribute the interest bac to us!
Instead they raise r fees, to up the point value!
JTOL.

Ding ding ding, we've got a winner!!!

I wonder if Todd keeps that big performance pot locked in his office all year! Lol

Posted by Dogwhisper on 01-20-2013 02:40 PM:

He betr not! Not going to bear interest lok up in his office.
Don't think Cavanaugh is that dumb.

Posted by jculler8 on 01-21-2013 04:50 PM:

Btt

Posted by GA DAWG on 01-21-2013 07:47 PM:

I think we should get something outta it for showing to. We should set up a non performance pup program

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Posted by Tully on 02-03-2013 08:41 PM:

2012

What was the point value ending 2012 that will be used for the payouts?

Are RQE and world events the only events excluded from the performance program?

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