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Posted by workennels on 12-16-2012 01:53 PM:

Re: You can use your Garmin

quote:
Originally posted by Mike Hill
If people are so worried about there dog they can withdraw and turn it on

Yup....I have no problem leaving it off till timeout


Posted by JiM on 12-16-2012 03:53 PM:

What I don't understand is that approx half of those on here are in favor of it but not one single coonhunter that I have talked to personally, all of whom have and use Garmins through the week, are in favor of having them on during time in. Not one!. Not sure what to make of that.

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Posted by Clay Lautzenhiser on 12-16-2012 05:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
What I don't understand is that approx half of those on here are in favor of it but not one single coonhunter that I have talked to personally, all of whom have and use Garmins through the week, are in favor of having them on during time in. Not one!. Not sure what to make of that.


Same here. Also for those of you who dont see how they can be used to cheat let me give you a couple examples that I have heard of ;-) Dogs havent been heard in a few minutes so the handler hanging at the back of the pack eases open his pouch, which contains his garmin in the on position, and sees what direction his dog is in and that his dog is treed. He suggests to the cast that they start walking in a certain direction. Shortly he strikes and trees his dog. Sure enough when the others listen they hear the dogsl Same handler is winning the hunt be a slight margin and looks at the garmin and sees that his dog, and presumably the others, are in a certain direction. Only this time the handler suggests walking in the opposite direction to run out time. Both of the senerios happen more often than you think.

Leave them off or leave them in the truck and ensure that nobody is using them!

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Posted by Joseph A Clark on 12-16-2012 05:42 PM:

Understand what you're talking about, but my way of thinking is like this. a) if everybody was allowed to use them then that wouldn't have taken place cause the whole cast would've known where the dogs were and could've stayed in hearing range! b) if the dogs are in fact in the direction the garmin says and treed, as the rules state the points will be split because no one heard them! c) cheaters will always cheat no matter what, so let's level the playing field! Lol


Posted by GA DAWG on 12-16-2012 06:00 PM:

I just wanna leave em on. Don't wanna use it very much anyhow lol.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 12-16-2012 06:03 PM:

While we are at it. Id vote yes to 1 hr hunts on Thursday nights to

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Posted by john Duemmer on 12-16-2012 06:12 PM:

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Originally posted by Clay Lautzenhiser
Same here. Also for those of you who dont see how they can be used to cheat let me give you a couple examples that I have heard of ;-) Dogs havent been heard in a few minutes so the handler hanging at the back of the pack eases open his pouch, which contains his garmin in the on position, and sees what direction his dog is in and that his dog is treed. He suggests to the cast that they start walking in a certain direction. Shortly he strikes and trees his dog. Sure enough when the others listen they hear the dogsl Same handler is winning the hunt be a slight margin and looks at the garmin and sees that his dog, and presumably the others, are in a certain direction. Only this time the handler suggests walking in the opposite direction to run out time. Both of the senerios happen more often than you think.

Leave them off or leave them in the truck and ensure that nobody is using them!



Both of those scenarios only show that cheaters have an advantage when useing GPS is against the rules. If every one knows where their dog is no one has an advantage, and it would be much easier to split the distance between all dogs. I believe allowing them to be carried in the on position would prevent more problems than it would create.

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Posted by Joseph A Clark on 12-16-2012 06:12 PM:

I'll second the 1 hour week night hunts! We've been holding 2 hunt test a month during the week and have been averaging 6 dogs in the HTX 's.


Posted by john Duemmer on 12-16-2012 06:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
What I don't understand is that approx half of those on here are in favor of it but not one single coonhunter that I have talked to personally, all of whom have and use Garmins through the week, are in favor of having them on during time in. Not one!. Not sure what to make of that.


Guess ill be the first. I carry mine all week, lots of nights i never even power the handheld on because i know my huntin spots and usally know where the dogs are likely to get struck and treed. BUT at a hunt in strange country where i dont know the terrain or the size of the block or where we are in relation to hazzards i sure would like the extra piece of mind that the Garmin gives.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 12-16-2012 06:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
What I don't understand is that approx half of those on here are in favor of it but not one single coonhunter that I have talked to personally, all of whom have and use Garmins through the week, are in favor of having them on during time in. Not one!. Not sure what to make of that.


I dont know how you are looking at those numbers and coming up with half? It looks like about 2 to 1 in favor of some kind of use to me.

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Posted by JiM on 12-16-2012 07:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
I just wanna leave em on. Don't wanna use it very much anyhow lol.


I could live with that, no problem as long as pulling it out or touching it during time in is a barrable offense.

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Posted by JiM on 12-16-2012 07:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
Guess ill be the first. I carry mine all week, lots of nights i never even power the handheld on because i know my huntin spots and usally know where the dogs are likely to get struck and treed. BUT at a hunt in strange country where i dont know the terrain or the size of the block or where we are in relation to hazzards i sure would like the extra piece of mind that the Garmin gives.


See John, I'm just the opposite. I use mine almost constantly through the week but don't care a bit about having it on while on a cast. I think the difference between us is you use it to locate dogs and I use it almost solely as a training tool. I think that is our basic difference. If I don't know where my dog is during a hunt, I am almost certainly loosing that hunt. In that case, I just find my chiteater after the clock stops.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 12-16-2012 07:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
I could live with that, no problem as long as pulling it out or touching it during time in is a barrable offense.
Fine by me. No telling how many are left on anyhow!

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Posted by LIL-E on 12-16-2012 07:39 PM:

The Garmins left on and use the whole two hours is happening a lot more than you think. It all depends on who is in the cast. I myself don't see a problem with it unless the cast is being delayed because of it.


Posted by Jesse Steeg on 12-16-2012 07:45 PM:

the garmins help us be more responsible with our dogs even if someone did beat yah with it better than there dog gettin run over or shot off a place.


Posted by ssgied on 12-16-2012 11:31 PM:

Garmin

I don't like the idea of leaving a garmin on during hunting time, because those that don't have one would be at an unfair advantage. Of all the dogs entered in a hunt on any given Saturday night, how many are ran over. Before you turn loose you can take your Garmin and look for potential hazards, if you don't like what you see you don't have to turn loose. UKC says coon hunting is a traditional sport and that is why we can't drive from tree to tree. I vote we keep it traditional.


Posted by jculler8 on 12-16-2012 11:34 PM:

It may be my way of thinking, but if you don't have a Garmin to use, you got other problems whether other guys have them to use or not. A Garmin is BY FAR the BEST training/hunting tool for hounds. If you don't believe me, you are nuts! I really don't understand how these could hurt things. We use them all of the time at club/youth events and they always help the casts stay together!

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Posted by Cry Tough Blues on 12-17-2012 12:26 AM:

i am 42 and started comp hunting when i was 20 (1990). the hunts literally have changed so much, ya'll go ahead and be pro garmin it really doesnt matter that much to me anyways. i thought i would give my two cents worth on the subject in another post and realized it doesnt really matter. opinions are just that opinions and ukc will adopt what they want. my feeling is they think this will spark up attendance at the local level therefore creating more interest in the sport. honesty of the judging at the "local level "will always be in question.

for the record Jim and Clay i wholeheartedly agree with the two of ya'll.
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Posted by GA DAWG on 12-17-2012 12:42 AM:

I kinda figured they were doing it some how as a loophole to put the new tracker/shocker combos in the hunts. Stuff ain't the same as it was in 1990. Your right about that. I had no tracker at all then. Could hunt every night within 10 miles of the house for days on end. Every single one of those turnouts are gone. Like you say. It don't matter what we think. If they want em. They will be in.

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