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Posted by Cry Tough Blues on 12-14-2012 06:13 PM:

why is it that all the people complaining about slick handling are those without much competition hunting experience? you not knowing what you are doing doesnt mean the handler that does is slick. you can question any call made as an active participant in your cast.


Posted by jkeith on 12-14-2012 07:11 PM:

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Originally posted by Cry Tough Blues
why is it that all the people complaining about slick handling are those without much competition hunting experience? you not knowing what you are doing doesnt mean the handler that does is slick. you can question any call made as an active participant in your cast.

I think you took me all wrong. Not complaining at all.
Really just referring to some of the things people try to pull over on not just the new but experienced Hunters as well. Knowing they are in the wrong but still trying to get that win. Not mad..... More amused than anything.

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Posted by Bobby Reynolds on 12-16-2012 09:31 PM:

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Originally posted by Bobby Reynolds
I've been comp hunting for 28 years, and this is the truest statement ever made on the subject. If you don't win with the dog on the end of your lead, maybe just maybe, you need a different dog on the end of the lead.


Guys, I still stand by my statement made earlier. However, there are times that you will run into worst than a slick handler. Friday night I drove 4 hours south, paid a $300 entry fee and got the biggest screwing I have ever taken. I was under the understanding this hunt would have non-hunting judges. When I get there, I find out at drawout time, we will have hunting judges. This hunt was designed with 3 dog cast. Well I get treed by myself and the other 2 dogs were split about 75 yards. We all go to my tree and plainly see the coon. They go to their tree and I have to walk my dog 30 seconds and cut. When I cut my dog I turn around to go to their tree and they meet me halfway and tell me they had the coon and they both seen it so it doesn't matter what I say. I walk over to that tree and it was as slick as it could be. Wouldn't even be a circle tree. It was only a one hour cast. I had 2 trees with two coon out in the open. They other two dogs did tree one coon together later in the cast. They also got credit for a coon that plainly was NOT there. That cast win was worth $831. It was a long ride home that night. I am not crying. This is only the second time something like this has happened to me in 28 years of hunting. My only point to this story is this, Altho it does not happen as much as most people claim, It does happen.


Posted by jkeith on 12-16-2012 10:06 PM:

Bobby....... I don't know the rules the best but why not pay the $25 and question their call?

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Posted by Bobby Reynolds on 12-16-2012 10:35 PM:

This was not a pkc hunt. This is a new organization with a completely different set of rules. I am not gonna get into I should of done this or I should of done that. I did everything possible within the rules of this kc that could be done. Chances are, most people on this forum has never read the rules of this kc, so lets not turn it into that. I was just giving an example of it does not happen often, but it does happen.
I have no hard feeling toward the kc this hunt was held by. I knew the rules going into it. The only kick I have with them is a hunt that has a $300 entry should most definately have non-hunting judges. They are a new kc and they are working hard to have a better set of rules for 2013. The new set of rules I am sure will have an area where a handler can bring a panel back to judge a tree and an area the handler can sign in the gray for situations like this. The current set of rules does not.


Posted by jkeith on 12-16-2012 10:52 PM:

Not questioning you was just curious. Hate to hear it worked out that way for ya.

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Posted by Bobby Reynolds on 12-16-2012 11:01 PM:

Just was an all around bad deal. Most hunts I have been too the last 28 years of comp hunting have had great cast and great people. One of the handlers was young and has won alot. I had respect for him just because of what he had won over the last few years. Now, makes me wonder how he had won some of those cast. It doesn't take long for that kind of stuff to catch up with a handler and his reputation.


Posted by BIGGUN! on 12-18-2012 12:12 AM:

Cheaters are most every where.if u know the rules the give it back to them.

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Posted by headless01 on 12-18-2012 05:33 AM:

not if you're in the webb of the good ole buddy system, some places have a monopoly. i love the entertainment, when they get to their rule interpetation of the rule. LOL


Posted by Black&Tanman71 on 12-18-2012 06:15 AM:

The first time I ever comp hunted I had a real young dog and never expected to win or even place but, I figured it would be fun to simply be a part of it.
When we turned loose my dog followed the others but came back and the clock was started, no big deal as this was kind of expected since he was so young. During this time another cast member was bragging about all his accomplishments including his dog being in the world points. Upon the first strike the young hunter called his dog, only problem was he called the wrong dog. Even I could tell it wasn't his, the handler of the dog that actually struck corrected him. He did this 2 more times on the same cast. Once the clock was up (to the second) he made quite a show about the fact that my dog was being scratched. I took it in stride but, got to thinking about something I had read in the rules. When I politely mentioned the fact that his dog also would have to be scratched for him making the wrong call (more than was necessary for the scratch) he acted like I had shot him in the gut and tried to argue. Luckily the group had in it a seasoned comp hunter who agreed and backed me up on the infraction. This fellow got so mad he cursed me and threatened me with all kinds of crap including having me banned for false allegations.

It made me wonder how his dog was in the "world points" and to say this left a bad taste was an understatement.

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Posted by BIGGUN! on 12-18-2012 04:54 PM:

Yea i know where you are coming from about that deal b&t man happens to often at local clubs.if i cant beat a man fair and square i wont even cut loose

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