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Posted by garminguru on 12-06-2012 01:51 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
unless you are in a nite hunt and your garmin was turned off to be in accordance of rules. or left in your vehicle turned on over a mile away. If your dog never hunts beyond 3/4 of a mile, and you always have your garmin turned on, then garmin is perfect. But if your dog never goes over 3/4 mile away, then why use a tracker at all?

I will make you a $1000 offer......
Bring your telemetry unit collar and I will bring my DC30, we will let someone toss them by the road or hang them in a tree 10 miles away as indicated by their tripometer and whomever lays their hand on their collar first gets a $100 bill off the hood of the truck. We will do this 10 times until I have taken your $1000!!!

Posted by LIL-E on 12-06-2012 02:10 AM:

truly

I get 1.2 to 1.4 miles out of mine. 3/4 of a mile would not be good here in Mississippi. When the rut starts 3/4 of a mile would P me off.

Posted by markknepp on 12-06-2012 02:37 AM:

I have long range antenae on my handheld and on a dc30. It starts going out at 1 3/4 mile and comes in and out to about 3 miles. If you don't want a garmin that's fine but to act like they are not the best tracking system out there is just plain wrong. I wont turn one loose without one. The peace of mind that comes with knowing EXACTLY where my dog is at any point is priceless. Had a dog get caught in a fence the other night. He shut up. My garmin took me directly to him.

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 12-06-2012 03:12 AM:

Re: Old fashioned tracking systems.

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
You would think that you could buy an old fashioned tracking system at a really really discounted price but thats not what I'm seeing. New ones are still $500 or $600 and used ones are anywhere from $300 to $700. I did see one or two for $175 but that wasn't the norm. Are people really paying this much for them ?

i remember when they 1st came out the divorce lawers got
rich on coon hunter with a good roof top you could get 20 miles.
i thank i have used mine 3 times in the last couple yrs.

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Posted by SoShadow on 12-06-2012 02:44 PM:

i just got a good laugh out of the fact that we're using the terms " old fashioned" and "tracking system" together!

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Posted by truly on 12-06-2012 07:21 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by garminguru
I will make you a $1000 offer......
Bring your telemetry unit collar and I will bring my DC30, we will let someone toss them by the road or hang them in a tree 10 miles away as indicated by their tripometer and whomever lays their hand on their collar first gets a $100 bill off the hood of the truck. We will do this 10 times until I have taken your $1000!!!

I would say if that collar is hung in a tree or tossed by the road you would make money on that kind of deal. But while it would take me a bit longer, I would find that collar every time. And if just once they threw that collar down in a well, up in a drain tile, or back in a cave then the old beep beep would outperform.
I do use a Garmin pleasure hunting all the time, but when it comes to a comp hunt, where I either have to leave the Garmin behind or turned off, there will be a beep beep on my dog.
Just a year ago on a night hunt, we ended the hunt deep up a valley, my dog came in to me as the hunt ended. did not have his beep beep collar on. I had that collar dug out of a brush pile den in less than 5 minutes. [it had got hung up on a log]. I don't think a Garmin would have ever found that collar.

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Posted by garminguru on 12-06-2012 11:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
I would say if that collar is hung in a tree or tossed by the road you would make money on that kind of deal. But while it would take me a bit longer, I would find that collar every time. And if just once they threw that collar down in a well, up in a drain tile, or back in a cave then the old beep beep would outperform.
I do use a Garmin pleasure hunting all the time, but when it comes to a comp hunt, where I either have to leave the Garmin behind or turned off, there will be a beep beep on my dog.
Just a year ago on a night hunt, we ended the hunt deep up a valley, my dog came in to me as the hunt ended. did not have his beep beep collar on. I had that collar dug out of a brush pile den in less than 5 minutes. [it had got hung up on a log]. I don't think a Garmin would have ever found that collar.

I think, unless you got lucky, that it would take you considerably more that just "a bit longer"! If I am receiving data from my collar when the dog goes in a well, I will still outperform the beep collar because my hand held will take me straight to the well. Now, if my garmin collar is out of range when the dog goes in the well, that does create a problem but I can always switch to finding the garmin collar like you do your beep beep but it is a little harder because of the transmit rate time, but lets be realistic, how many times is that ever an issue?
I know a bear hunter that did not put his beep collar on tight enough and the dog slipped it in the woods. Several hunters with their trackers never found that collar and they knew how to use them. When you get so close to those beep beeps, the signal swamping becomes a problem even with proper use of the attenuator. The ability to triangulate a beep beep hinges on the directional ability of the yagi and when you are that close to the beep beep collar, those three elements just do not have enough front to back ratio to make the job easy!
That collar that took five minutes to find was easier to find because when you started to get signal swamping, you knew you were close. You were also close enough for the brush pile to be "evident" so it is with common sense you decided that perhaps the dog got in there. That job becomes alot harder if the collar is just laying somewhere in the open or attached to dead or injured dog that is not letting you know where he is at!

Posted by stsjts on 12-06-2012 11:44 PM:

I would just have to say I like to put both on them when hunting away from home. My wildlife has been alot more dependable than my garmin. One of my collers was a lemon. Never had a brand new beep beep tell me my dog was 60yds away when it was 3/4mile away. This being said u cant beat a garmin when training a pup. But if i had to pick just one to hunt on a go yonder type it would be a wildlife! But i dont have to choose just use both and be done. I bet in 5 years garmin will be so supertuned we will be thinking the ones were using now are old fashion.

Posted by garminguru on 12-07-2012 01:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by stsjts
I would just have to say I like to put both on them when hunting away from home. My wildlife has been alot more dependable than my garmin. One of my collers was a lemon. Never had a brand new beep beep tell me my dog was 60yds away when it was 3/4mile away. This being said u cant beat a garmin when training a pup. But if i had to pick just one to hunt on a go yonder type it would be a wildlife! But i dont have to choose just use both and be done. I bet in 5 years garmin will be so supertuned we will be thinking the ones were using now are old fashion.

Your probably right with that last statement!

Posted by Hawghunter68 on 01-30-2013 07:57 PM:

We run both gps and the beep beep collars when we deer,bear,coon or hog hunt.The gps is mainly used to try to keep them off the highways and they do help in locating but a pack of good deer hounds will push a garmin to the range limits and then some.
One thing we learned the hard way,use the gps collars at your own risks in outside deer field trials.We have run a few this year and had a brand new dc40 stolen in our first hunt,think there was 4 stolen on that hunt.
I myself will never run a dog without the old faithful beep beep collar,more range and longer battery life.

Posted by runnin rebels on 01-30-2013 08:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by garminguru
I will make you a $1000 offer......
Bring your telemetry unit collar and I will bring my DC30, we will let someone toss them by the road or hang them in a tree 10 miles away as indicated by their tripometer and whomever lays their hand on their collar first gets a $100 bill off the hood of the truck. We will do this 10 times until I have taken your $1000!!!

lets say we are at a crossroad and both collars are placed 10 miles down the road to the west.

You turn your garmin on you will have no signal. I turn my beep beep on I will get a faint signal to the west. You have a 25% chance of heading in the right direction hoping to pick up a signal. You may do a lot of driving guessing in what general direction the collar is in until you get close enough to get a signal.

I would like to see this

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Posted by slobbermouth21 on 01-30-2013 08:51 PM:

im not bashing people who own a garmin but everyone ive hunted with that has one focuses on the screen not the dog that dog will tell you what is going on out there. they even use the garmin to tell them there dog is treed know the old school trackers have tree switches also but i just feel the garmin has taken away alittle of the handler haven to know his dog and know what he is doing while he is in the woods.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 01-30-2013 08:59 PM:

Anyone that thinks they could use a garmin to tree their dog is just clueless.

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Posted by slobbermouth21 on 01-30-2013 09:02 PM:

why it shows you own the screen the dog treed my buddys made me put a dc 40 on my dog and they was showing me all it was going and what it was doing like i didnt know it was doing it then we he treed BOOM the dog treeing the tree symbol showed up and they said he is treed i told them he has been treed for almost five menutes befor that showed up.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 01-30-2013 09:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by slobbermouth21
why it shows you own the screen the dog treed my buddys made me put a dc 40 on my dog and they was showing me all it was going and what it was doing like i didnt know it was doing it then we he treed BOOM the dog treeing the tree symbol showed up and they said he is treed i told them he has been treed for almost five menutes befor that showed up.

Because if you treed your dog everytime the garmin beeped treed you would minus out in 10 minutes, it shows treed everytime the dog doesnt move for a couple seconds.

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Posted by blackflagginit on 01-30-2013 09:17 PM:

I tried them out, even before they were in every coffie shop coonhunter in kindom comes hands....even had a garmen rep running it, not an rookie (like me lol)

I wasnt impressed in the least.. I still have my quicktrack and thats what i would use should i ever decide to unsnap a hound agian.

I dont think alot of people accualy UNDERSTOOD how to use the radio collers.....and now its even worse for those who prob started with a garmon or used a radio very little...

Posted by skeets on 01-30-2013 09:26 PM:

i use a old wildlife i got from wicks over 20 years ago,i like mine just fine but i dont hunt near roads or houses.

Posted by garminguru on 01-30-2013 10:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by runnin rebels
lets say we are at a crossroad and both collars are placed 10 miles down the road to the west.

You turn your garmin on you will have no signal. I turn my beep beep on I will get a faint signal to the west. You have a 25% chance of heading in the right direction hoping to pick up a signal. You may do a lot of driving guessing in what general direction the collar is in until you get close enough to get a signal.

I would like to see this

The odds in you getting any signal will be slim to none at 10 miles too on your beep beep unless you had some elevation.
I promise you, you will loose! Even if you get a faint signal and I don't, I much prefer my chances with the Garmin.

Posted by truly on 01-31-2013 12:06 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by runnin rebels
lets say we are at a crossroad and both collars are placed 10 miles down the road to the west.

You turn your garmin on you will have no signal. I turn my beep beep on I will get a faint signal to the west. You have a 25% chance of heading in the right direction hoping to pick up a signal. You may do a lot of driving guessing in what general direction the collar is in until you get close enough to get a signal.

I would like to see this

Leaving collars 10 miles away would be a fun wager. I think I actually would take quite a bit of a fellars money on the 10 mile challenge, 3 mile challenge maybe not so much.
I used a buddies garmin receiver last night instead of mine. Just like mine I consistently lost signal around 500 yards. Fortunately the coon were stirring and dogs never got over 1000 yards to find one.
But if you put a garmin collar down at the crossroads 10 miles away, and to find it you had to get within 500 yards to pick up signal, oh my......

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Posted by blackflagginit on 01-31-2013 01:26 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
Leaving collars 10 miles away would be a fun wager. I think I actually would take quite a bit of a fellars money on the 10 mile challenge, 3 mile challenge maybe not so much.
I used a buddies garmin receiver last night instead of mine. Just like mine I consistently lost signal around 500 yards. Fortunately the coon were stirring and dogs never got over 1000 yards to find one.
But if you put a garmin collar down at the crossroads 10 miles away, and to find it you had to get within 500 yards to pick up signal, oh my......

Ive fallowed radio sig up too 3 miles strait to the collar a dog had lost...found them both in holes in the ground, small caves, brush piles, and hung up in fences.....Im convinced from the demo i got half of those would have NEVER been found had they belonged to a garmen

Posted by blacktandog on 01-31-2013 02:00 AM:

If your Garmin is only getting a mile range somethings wrong. If you can pick a beep up at 10 miles straight line you got a freek of nature. Not sure people know how far 10 straight miles is.I use both and tracked side by side, with truck antenna Garmin and beep are about same. Difference is garmin tells exactly where dog is,although my dog always has both on.

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Posted by truly on 01-31-2013 02:15 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by blacktandog
If your Garmin is only getting a mile range somethings wrong. If you can pick a beep up at 10 miles straight line you got a freek of nature. Not sure people know how far 10 straight miles is.I use both and tracked side by side, with truck antenna Garmin and beep are about same. Difference is garmin tells exactly where dog is,although my dog always has both on.

Only three times in three years have I seen a Garmin pick up signal at over one mile.

I think it would be fun to set up a tracker challenge at a big hunt like AO. Have a start point. No collar over 10 miles from start point. 3-5 collars of each type hid- both beep beep and garmin. at each hide sight a code word for you to find- leave the collars behind for next contestant. Hide collars in different scenarios- one in a culvert or cave like situation. one very near a road- ditch like scenario. one deep in a woods.
contestants use stock equipment- no aftermarket antennas on hand held or collar. post time and percentage of users able to find all collars.
this could be done during the day of a major event or at night.

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Posted by micooner on 01-31-2013 02:58 AM:

Make a contest out of it with a entry fee like a scavenger hunt with a $20 bill at each spot. Maybe garmin or marshall would sponsor it. LOL

Posted by ROBBIE BURLESON on 01-31-2013 03:03 AM:

I was kinda hard to convince when they first come out but after I got one a garmin is the finest thing besides a english dog thats ever hit the coon hunting world, lol. I had some work done on mine a while back and had to do without it a couple nights, call me dependent or whatever but I thought I would go crazy till I got I back.

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Posted by Blair4 on 01-31-2013 03:21 AM:

Tracker

Around here you buy a beep beep system fr under $200 all day long everybody has went Garmin.

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