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Posted by ratpack on 11-15-2012 07:15 PM:

These Obama backers are too IGNORANT to see now but rest asure at the end of his 4 years when they have nothing they will be crying just to bad the rest of us have to suffer along with them....as for this being a sore loser thread an needed to be deleted if you dont like it DONT read it!!

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Posted by brushrunretiree on 11-15-2012 07:15 PM:

I BELIEVE MR. DAVE HAUGH HAS UNLEASHED A KNOWLEDGEABLE FELLOW AMERICAN IN MR. NEWLIN!!! DAVE YOUR POINTS EQUAL BRINGING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT!!!


Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-15-2012 09:15 PM:

So here I set...waiting. Now I still have two unanswered questions.

1.) Why should I buy into, support, or even claim to understand the fiscal policies of a politician who was elected by folks that won't even demand that the leaders of the state in which they live in to provide a balanced budget.
2.) How all of the "breaks" go to the wealthy and large corporations.

Now I want to ask another question, for which I am nearly certain to NOT get an answer.

Just how did those corporations get "large" and how exactly did the wealthy become wealthy. Nope, not a trick question...I already know the answer but want to see if my good friend Dave has an answer for the question.

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Posted by brushrunretiree on 11-15-2012 09:45 PM:

I BET THIS BLOG HAS SEEN THE LAST OF "DAVE" ON THIS BLOG!!!


Posted by Lakeland Kennel on 11-15-2012 09:51 PM:

Just for the record, I am retired but I do pay taxes on my pension checks. And, being retired, I no longer am required to pay Union dues but I still do pay dues and I don't use them for a deduction.

Large corporations and the wealthy are going to have to pay more taxes. The economy is owned by "We, the people" not by the wealthy and big corporations. There was a vote taken and the people elected folks who ran on having the wealthy pay more.

You folks can question me all you want but the election is over and your guy lost. Get over it.

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Posted by curs12 on 11-15-2012 09:52 PM:

Let the red succeed they are dragging us down the red gets the most gov aid anyways


Posted by groworg1 on 11-15-2012 10:00 PM:

joe let me ask you a question our household income last year was taxed at 28 percent while romneys was 14 percent explain this ? many of my neighbors have gas leases/royalties and they pay 36+ percent on there 100,000 incomes why isn't this income capital gains they bought land and get paid for doing nothing except watch the investment they made many years ago start to payoff the rules for the rich are terms like accuired income , capital gains income yet the common man gets lucky enough to get a gas well and pays thru the nose !


Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 11-15-2012 10:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lakeland Kennel
The economy is owned by "We, the people"

I've noticed you using this phrase several times. What do you mean by that?

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-15-2012 10:44 PM:

You are being taxed on INCOME. Romney is taxed on investment returns. The thought process behind that is that the money was already taxed once..when it was income. It was taxed at a higher rate once, then invested. It is the investment return that is now being taxed, albeit at a lower rate, but it's like paying taxes on the same money TWICE. What we don't know is how much the Romney's paid in taxes when Mitt was a successful business man and making the money in the first place. When his "gas well" was pouring out gas!

If your neighbors make millions on the initial income from the gas well, and they invest it wisely, the second time around they will be taxed at a lower rate. When they are living off the interest from their initial "investment".

Look, the bottom line is that Mitt Romney paid the federal government 23 million dollars last year. That was his tax bill. He DID pay more...he paid more than you I'm sure, and I know dag gummed well he paid more than I. The real problem that I see is that GE (General Electric) paid 0 dollars in tax last year. Now I know that the corporate tax rate in the US is one of the highest in the world. And I think there is a fine balance between too high, a tax rate that will kill business, and too low one that burdens the general public.

How much money SHOULD a wealthy, successful person pay in taxes? Should the successful be taxed for being successful? Should they have to pay for unemployed folks to have cell phones? Should it really cost the US taxpayers 1 BILLION dollars a year for the president and his family to live a BILLIONAIRE lifestyle?

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-15-2012 10:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lakeland Kennel
Just for the record, I am retired but I do pay taxes on my pension checks. And, being retired, I no longer am required to pay Union dues but I still do pay dues and I don't use them for a deduction.

Large corporations and the wealthy are going to have to pay more taxes. The economy is owned by "We, the people" not by the wealthy and big corporations. There was a vote taken and the people elected folks who ran on having the wealthy pay more.

You folks can question me all you want but the election is over and your guy lost. Get over it.



The economy is "owned" by We The People, but financed by "the rich"? You are joking right? You do realize that nearly half of the population of the US pays NOTHING in federal taxes.

You do realize that the Obama "plan" to raise taxes on the successful folks in this country will trim increase revenue by 1 trillion dollars over the next 10 years, yet at the current rate of spending, that is still 7 trillion SHORT....

I'm not sour because of the election...I'm sour because I want answers and I want results. If you truly think that the past four years have been an indicator of success....hold on to your pension check...your gonna need it in the next four years. The current direction of the economy is another recession, without true recovery from the last.....just ask the EU what that feels like.

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-15-2012 10:52 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by curs12
Let the red succeed they are dragging us down the red gets the most gov aid anyways


I would be very interested in any facts that you could provide to back that statement up....

Fact is I think I can show you how just the opposite is true. That the areas that are deeply blue are actually where a majority of the tax dollars are spent, and where the majority of the state debt is held.

I'm waiting on you to cite reference....

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Posted by Phantom on 11-15-2012 11:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Gary Napier II
UKC should delete this post! This is the bluetick section not politics! Post this on the off topic section. This is a sore loser topic that is mouthing off about not getting his way. The election is over. Obama is the president. I believe anyone has the freedom of speech but do it on the off topic section!



You need to lay off of the kool aid.Don't even know what section you are in.This is the off topic section

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Posted by trappin_girl on 11-16-2012 02:25 AM:

If my email would start workin i would sign the petition for WV. we the people for the people and by the people but we the people aint got ****. before its all said an done i might leave the state i love and know to live in texas. where i was working we had to cut back CNA's and whaddya know? i was one of the ones to be CUT because i was only there for a few weeks. along with 7 OTHER girls... 7!!!!! because after obamacare passed guess what. the seniors got the **** end of the stick. obamacare wouldnt cover them so they had to be sent out of our facility.128 bed facility. ill let u do the math... every 10 residents cuts a CNA.... and the place i worked there before 72 bed count, had to cut off 4. thats the entire night shift there!!! I think sucession IS the answer

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Posted by shakethevine on 11-16-2012 03:00 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by trappin_girl
If my email would start workin i would sign the petition for WV. we the people for the people and by the people but we the people aint got ****. before its all said an done i might leave the state i love and know to live in texas. where i was working we had to cut back CNA's and whaddya know? i was one of the ones to be CUT because i was only there for a few weeks. along with 7 OTHER girls... 7!!!!! because after obamacare passed guess what. the seniors got the **** end of the stick. obamacare wouldnt cover them so they had to be sent out of our facility.128 bed facility. ill let u do the math... every 10 residents cuts a CNA.... and the place i worked there before 72 bed count, had to cut off 4. thats the entire night shift there!!! I think sucession IS the answer


Obamacare does not go into effect till 2014..............pick another reason for laying off CNA's. My guess is you have poor management team running the facility. My wife is the Director of Nursing/Administrator for 8 nursing homes. She is hiring STNA's (CNA) as fast as she can........come to Ohio or find a better run facility.

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Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 11-16-2012 03:06 AM:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...id=aa32kl.M09T4

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Posted by brushrunretiree on 11-16-2012 03:48 AM:

I SEE WHERE THERE'S A PETITION FOR "O" TO UNSEAL HIS BIRTH, SCHOOL AND COLLEGE RECORDS. THAT OUGHT TO GET A BUNCH OF SIGNERS, PDQ!!!


Posted by groworg1 on 11-16-2012 04:01 AM:

hey joe i guess we will never know if romney paid anywhere near the percentages of tax the middle paid i'm sure he didn't like wall street hedge fund managers that manage other peoples money and only pay capital gains on the income they made with other peoples money ?


Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 11-16-2012 04:34 AM:

The green eyed monster never sleeps!

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Posted by truly on 11-16-2012 04:37 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Oak Ridge

Again, not trying to stir trouble, but if a liberal run state is in deep debt, and a conservative state has a surplus...please tell me why I should have been drinking the liberal Kool-Aid?

Joe, I have such a hard time believing that you have a background in business. There is a difference between "DEBT" and "DEFICIT". Your state did have a one year budget surplus, but does have lots of debt too.

"Indiana has a total state debt of approximately $37,127,700, when calculated by adding the total of outstanding official debt, pension and other post-employment benefits (OPEB) liabilities, Unemployment Trust Fund loans, and the FY2013 budget gap.[4] The debt total is less than the prior year's total of $38,710,138,000.[5]

Indiana's total state debt per capita is $5,697.12.[6]"

Read more: http://sunshinereview.org/index.php...t#ixzz2CM94J7kA

Indiana per capita debt is better than many states. Better than Illinois, New York's or TEXAS's=
"Texas, with $287 billion owed, New Jersey, with $282.4 billion, and Illinois, with $271.1 billion, ranked next among states deepest inl debt, according to State Budget Solutions. Vermont had the smallest debt load at $5.85 billion."

As you can clearly see, the state with the lowest debt is actually one of the most progressive left leaning states in the country. Maybe if you want to live a debt free lifestyle you should consider moving there? And bright red TEXAS is near the worst.

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Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 11-16-2012 04:46 AM:

Which one is the worst?

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Posted by groworg1 on 11-16-2012 04:51 AM:

they brought the best coondog they could find to the hunt got whipped plain and simple and now they cry they were cheated !


Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-16-2012 12:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
Joe, I have such a hard time believing that you have a background in business. There is a difference between "DEBT" and "DEFICIT". Your state did have a one year budget surplus, but does have lots of debt too.

"Indiana has a total state debt of approximately $37,127,700, when calculated by adding the total of outstanding official debt, pension and other post-employment benefits (OPEB) liabilities, Unemployment Trust Fund loans, and the FY2013 budget gap.[4] The debt total is less than the prior year's total of $38,710,138,000.[5]

Indiana's total state debt per capita is $5,697.12.[6]"

Read more: http://sunshinereview.org/index.php...t#ixzz2CM94J7kA

Indiana per capita debt is better than many states. Better than Illinois, New York's or TEXAS's=
"Texas, with $287 billion owed, New Jersey, with $282.4 billion, and Illinois, with $271.1 billion, ranked next among states deepest inl debt, according to State Budget Solutions. Vermont had the smallest debt load at $5.85 billion."

As you can clearly see, the state with the lowest debt is actually one of the most progressive left leaning states in the country. Maybe if you want to live a debt free lifestyle you should consider moving there? And bright red TEXAS is near the worst.



Truly,

While I tried to look at the link you provided, it appears that the site is "experiencing some difficulty".

But trust me, I do indeed know the difference between debt and deficit. You as well as anyone knows that deficit spending leads to debt. I also know that most "big businesses", government included operate with debt, and some debt when well managed is actually not a bad thing.

Being a life-long citizen of Indiana, I have some unique perspectives in understanding the debt. Knowing that during our most recent democratic governor's term we went through two bi-annual budget cycles of deficit spending, where the teacher, public safety (fire and police) pension funds were unfunded.

Because of a "tax and spend" mentality for four years, the state finances were a wreck. The result was the election of a conservative governor that "took the bull by the horns" and not just balanced the budget, but worked it into a surplus. Certainly the surplus was far and away larger than the overall debt. (2 Billion in surplus vs. 38.7 million). Since I can't see the sight that you referenced, what I don't know is if the 38.7 million in debt is secured by "cash on hand". (which I truly beleive it is) and the majority of it is pension funds, which as you know are payments owed on a monthly basis. Last I knew all of the pension funds that the state of Indiana managed were fully funded.

So yes, I do understand the difference between deficit and debt. I also understand that year after year of spending more than you collect is NEVER a good thing. I've seen deficit spending up close and personal, and I've seen conservative spending values balance a budget, re-fund pensions, and lower tax rates.

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Posted by Lakeland Kennel on 11-16-2012 02:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Oak Ridge
The economy is "owned" by We The People, but financed by "the rich"? You are joking right? You do realize that nearly half of the population of the US pays NOTHING in federal taxes.

You do realize that the Obama "plan" to raise taxes on the successful folks in this country will trim increase revenue by 1 trillion dollars over the next 10 years, yet at the current rate of spending, that is still 7 trillion SHORT....

I'm not sour because of the election...I'm sour because I want answers and I want results. If you truly think that the past four years have been an indicator of success....hold on to your pension check...your gonna need it in the next four years. The current direction of the economy is another recession, without true recovery from the last.....just ask the EU what that feels like.



The economy should benefit all of the American people, not just the wealthy.

I have been watching a series on the History Channel called The Men Who Built America. They had the same problems 100 years ago Unfortunately for guys like Rockefeller, Morgan, and Carnegie, when they bought their President McKinley, they made Roosevelt Vice President and after McKinley died, he was their worst nightmare. He broke up their monopolies. The wealthy think they should rule today. I say we need a level playing field.

My spelling on some of the names is poor but you get the message.

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Posted by K. Singletary on 11-16-2012 03:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lakeland Kennel
Large corporations and the wealthy are going to have to pay more taxes.


I don't think you were paying attention. One thing that Obama and Romney agreed on is that the corporate income tax rate needed to be lowered.

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Posted by tom edwards on 11-16-2012 04:55 PM:

AND NOW

My beloved twinkie is going to be no more just because of DAVES union. One more buisness gone .And I'm here to tell you Dave dos'e believe in god ,many of times I've heard him [ GOD I HOPE THAT SORRY A&& DOG OF MINE STAYS TREED TILL I GET THERE. Take it away dave . Oakrige I think I've found a new friend, keep up the good work TOM EDWARDS


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