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Posted by truly on 11-18-2012 06:42 PM:

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Originally posted by Rip
Truly left out a few things as to why big cities are blue.

1. They are raised in a culture of helplessness and entitlement. They can't grow a garden, they can't hunt and know absolutely nothing about how to care for themselves and expect others to do it for them. That comes from generations of living in our taxpayer provided housing in an area that can't sustain them. They know how to survive on the streets with deception, theft and illegal activities. It's easy to buy their vote because that's all they know.

2. His "great education" is a myth. Those schools for the most part are awful, and the students are being taught by teachers that aren't good enough to get out of those awful schools so they have that same entitlement mentality.

Rip, you have a very skewed world view. Or more accurately city view. Actually many many city dwellers hunt. Remember- they are the ones buying a 40 acre plot just to hunt. They can afford a house in town and a 40 just to play on. Your gardening comment completely blew it. There are many urbanites that have very intensive and productive gardens/gardening techniques. This last summer I grew tomatoes, black beans, carrots, potatoes, beets, lettuce, peppers, numerous herbs, eggplant, cucumbers, melons, watercress, celery, onions, strawberries, raspberries, chives, grapes and apples. Urbanites are increasing their own food production as our food supply chain continues in a direction of less and less healthy products.
Somehow you see a city purely as a ghetto scene out of a movie. "survive on the streets with deception, theft and illegal activities"? Seriously? I live in one of the lowest crime rate areas that you can ever find. for miles in any direction there is house after house of hardworking, intelligent, honest, crime free citizens. Yes, there are pockets of crime, just like small towns having meth labs, or pot growing operations out in the country. this does not reflect or impact many of those around it.

But you probably won't be able to understand that if you can't even understand the education gap. In TN there are 11 high schools that have made the TOP 1000 list, as compiled by Newsweek. All 11 are in CITIES. Nashville, Brentwood, Collierville, Franklin, Germantown, Knoxville and Oak Ridge are homes to these top schools.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswe...gh-schools.html
"This year, our ranking highlights the best 1,000 public high schools in the nation—the ones that have proven to be the most effective in turning out college-ready grads. The list is based on six components provided by school administrators: graduation rate (25 percent), college matriculation rate (25 percent), AP/IB/AICE tests taken per student (25 percent), average SAT/ACT scores (10 percent), average AP/IB/AICE scores (10 percent), and AP courses offered per student(5 percent)."

Go ahead and study the list a bit. Then think about where all of the best colleges and universities are. This isn't to say that all education in the city is great, or that you can't get great education in rural areas, just that most folks who are very focused on education are going to head to the city. I grew up in a small town. We had what was normal for a small town education system. It can't hold a candle to the education that my children will get.

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Posted by trackdriver on 11-18-2012 07:01 PM:

Another good post,truly!! Don't mind cheerleading for a winner!!

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Posted by Rip on 11-18-2012 09:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
Rip, you have a very skewed world view. Or more accurately city view. Actually many many city dwellers hunt. Remember- they are the ones buying a 40 acre plot just to hunt. They can afford a house in town and a 40 just to play on. Your gardening comment completely blew it. There are many urbanites that have very intensive and productive gardens/gardening techniques. This last summer I grew tomatoes, black beans, carrots, potatoes, beets, lettuce, peppers, numerous herbs, eggplant, cucumbers, melons, watercress, celery, onions, strawberries, raspberries, chives, grapes and apples. Urbanites are increasing their own food production as our food supply chain continues in a direction of less and less healthy products.
Somehow you see a city purely as a ghetto scene out of a movie. "survive on the streets with deception, theft and illegal activities"? Seriously? I live in one of the lowest crime rate areas that you can ever find. for miles in any direction there is house after house of hardworking, intelligent, honest, crime free citizens. Yes, there are pockets of crime, just like small towns having meth labs, or pot growing operations out in the country. this does not reflect or impact many of those around it.

But you probably won't be able to understand that if you can't even understand the education gap. In TN there are 11 high schools that have made the TOP 1000 list, as compiled by Newsweek. All 11 are in CITIES. Nashville, Brentwood, Collierville, Franklin, Germantown, Knoxville and Oak Ridge are homes to these top schools.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswe...gh-schools.html
"This year, our ranking highlights the best 1,000 public high schools in the nation—the ones that have proven to be the most effective in turning out college-ready grads. The list is based on six components provided by school administrators: graduation rate (25 percent), college matriculation rate (25 percent), AP/IB/AICE tests taken per student (25 percent), average SAT/ACT scores (10 percent), average AP/IB/AICE scores (10 percent), and AP courses offered per student(5 percent)."

Go ahead and study the list a bit. Then think about where all of the best colleges and universities are. This isn't to say that all education in the city is great, or that you can't get great education in rural areas, just that most folks who are very focused on education are going to head to the city. I grew up in a small town. We had what was normal for a small town education system. It can't hold a candle to the education that my children will get.

LMBO yeah and my wife grew some tomatoes in a topsy turvey thing. Look I understand that there are some yuppies that are trying to grow "organic" things on their rooftops. The great majority of city folk are not hunting and they are not supporting themselves. Matter of fact most of them would starve to death or freeze to death if dropped out in the woods just a few miles away from the nearest streetlight.

As for your "cities" in Tennessee, you are the one that just doesn't know. Brentwood is not a "city", it is a suburb of Nashville, the rich suburb. Oak Ridge is not what most would call a "city", but it is made up of wealthy people that work at the nuclear facility. Many have advanced education, smart parents, smart kids. No biggie there. Franklin isn't a "city" and I would have to look at Collierville not sure on that one. Germantown is a suburb of Memphis I believe, but I would have to check to be sure.

So for city schools you have Nashville and Knoxville and even those are on the small side when compared to Detroit, New York, LA, things like that.

Again it's quite simple. The people most dependant on the gubment for their existance, the ones with the least independance will vote liberal. It doesn't matter where they live it only matters whether or not they are self sufficient. The difference is in the more rural areas there are fewer of the people that are dependant as a representation of that county population as compared to the ones with big cities. That's the bottom line.

It's the producers vs the takers and the takers won.

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Posted by truly on 11-18-2012 10:18 PM:

Nice dose of denial.
from WIKI:

Major cities
Chattanooga
Clarksville
Knoxville
Memphis
Murfreesboro
Nashville

Secondary cities
Bartlett
Brentwood
Bristol
Cleveland
Collierville
Columbia
Cookeville
Franklin
Germantown
Hendersonville
Jackson
Johnson City
Kingsport
Morristown
Oak Ridge

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Posted by truly on 11-18-2012 10:29 PM:

This is a map of the U.S. It shows county by county which went Red or Blue, but also adds purple as a county that was won by a narrow margin, and also intensity of color denotes population. As in densely populated areas are rich in color, while sparsely populated areas are pale.

Here is a closeup of Tennessee:

These cities that you don't want to admit are cities- they are up in those blue areas aren't they?

Data pulled from 2012 elections, approximately 1 week after election. As results are finalized there may be some shifts in map.
http://www.saltwaterwitch.com/img/W...ChrisHoward.jpg

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Posted by john Duemmer on 11-18-2012 10:41 PM:

My experience tells me that a great many 25 year old liberals, wake up one day and find that they have become a 50 year old conservitive.
During that 25 year conversion they have worked hard, raised a family, purchased a home and tried to save for the future. They have discovered that the cumbyaaa philosophy they learned in college just doesnt apply to life in the real world, and that inevitibly sucess or failure falls on the individual and that within our society their are going to be winners and loosers, and that no ammount of social engineering no matter how well meaning will change the result.

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Posted by Rip on 11-18-2012 10:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
This is a map of the U.S. It shows county by county which went Red or Blue, but also adds purple as a county that was won by a narrow margin, and also intensity of color denotes population. As in densely populated areas are rich in color, while sparsely populated areas are pale.

Here is a closeup of Tennessee:

These cities that you don't want to admit are cities- they are up in those blue areas aren't they?

Data pulled from 2012 elections, approximately 1 week after election. As results are finalized there may be some shifts in map.
http://www.saltwaterwitch.com/img/W...ChrisHoward.jpg

Nope, Oak Ridge isn't Blue, neither is Franklin or Brentwood (both in Franklin county south of Nashville and it is RED. I would have to look at the others. The only ones are Memphis, Knoxville, Nashville and Chattanooga but it looks purple, not sure. From that map it looks like Davidson and Shelby are the only real "blue" ones in the state and then Chattanooga and Knoxville are purple looking (which I know went for Obama).

Those are the only real cities we have in Tennessee. Cookeville? Get real.

Wiki is wiki, and that "secondary cities" is crap because trust me Cookeville isn't a "city" by any stretch of the imagination neither are most of the rest of them on there and none of them are compared to cities we are talking about, Memphis, Detroit, Atlanta etc. You forget I live here and have been in all of them.

Those "secondary cities" according to Wiki would be suburbs to most people, I would bet that Lilburn/Norcross Georgia, suburbs of Atlanta is bigger than Cookeville, Franklin, Oak Ridge etc etc etc.

Things are relative, compared to farmland Cookeville is a city, but in reality it's not what most would call a "city". Neither are the other places you mentioned.

We have Chattanooga, Nashville, Knoxville and Memphis as cities here in Tennessee, and Chattanooga/Knoxville border on being large towns and not "cities" like Memphis, Detroit, Atlanta etc. They are big enough that I would call them cities but again it's relative because I have friends from Atlanta that the only place in Tennessee they call a city is Memphis, everything else is just a small town. Heck when I lived in Lilburn/Norcross I considered that living in the "city" but really it is a suburb of Atlanta. To me it was a city.

Heck you have to put all three together to get anything like a city in the Tri-Cities area, that would be Bristol, Kingsport and Johnson City. Those are really rural too. Downtown Johnson City is a small town compared to Nashville even, same for Bristol.

Big difference.

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-18-2012 11:04 PM:

Brentwood TN, Williamson County- Obama 26% Romney 73%
Nashville TN, Davidson County - Obama 59% Romeny 40%
Franklin Williamson County Obama 26% Romney 73%
Collierville, Shelby County Obama 63% Romeny 37% **
Germantown, Shelby County **
Franklin, Williamson County Obama 25% Romney 73%
Knoxville Knox County, Obama 34% Romney 64%
Oak Ridge- listed as setting in both Anderson and Roane Counties. Roane county Obama 28% Romney 70%, Anderson County Obama 43% Romney 64%

** Shelby county contains one city listing according to WIKI. That city is Memphis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_County,_Tennessee

According to the Shelby County TN Schools Website, http://www.usnews.com/education/bes...s/shelby-county

Tennessee's Shelby County School District contains 8 high schools. The district contains 2 schools that received gold, silver, or bronze medals in U.S. News's Best High Schools rankings. The highest Ranked school in that county is located in Germantown. Recent testing in that school of 35% of the students were tested in Algebra and English. 68% were proficient in Algebra, and 87% tested proficient in English

Collierville (another suburb of Memphis tested #9 in the state with the same sample tested, and with 70% proficient in Algebra, and 87% proficient in English.

However, the largest high school in the county was located in Memphis proper. Southwind High School also had 35% tested and 21% were proficient in Algebra and 41% were proficient in English.

Now....I don't but where I stand, that pretty much tells me that the "inner city" schools are well behind the suburbian schools in education.

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-18-2012 11:50 PM:

Here is a little different view of Truly's blended map with a look at population densities, and how the vote went.

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Posted by trackdriver on 11-19-2012 12:14 AM:

Truly please stop picking on these guys!! They're trying as hard as they did during the pres.run,i really feel kind of sorry for them, or not!! LOL!! How the vote went???? America voted and y'all lost.

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-19-2012 12:25 AM:

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Originally posted by trackdriver
Truly please stop picking on these guys!! They're trying as hard as they did during the pres.run,i really feel kind of sorry for them, or not!! LOL!! How the vote went???? America voted and y'all lost.

Track....

This is an adult conversation. And the second grade "we won, you lost...nanny, nanny, booh, booh" is getting pretty childish.

This is a forum for DISCUSSION, and we are having something that you obviously are having trouble understanding. And if you really paid attention to what Truly was posting, you might have noticed that in that graphic..a large portion of the country was PURPLE. That means that there was a blending of blue and red. If there can not be a free exchange of ideas, and healthy debate, followed by compromise....we ALL LOSE.

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Posted by Rip on 11-19-2012 12:31 AM:

I also mentioned it doesn't matter "where" you are from. If you are a freeloader you most likely voted for Obama, it just happens that more freeloaders live in cities.

Plenty live where I live and I promise you they voted the same way.

They are not going to vote against their Santa Clause.

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Posted by croatankid on 11-19-2012 01:06 AM:

i agree with rip.

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Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 11-19-2012 01:57 AM:

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Originally posted by Oak Ridge

Here is a little different view of Truly's blended map with a look at population densities, and how the vote went.

This map certainly puts things into perpective. Some of those blue bars seem to go clear off the chart.

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Posted by groworg1 on 11-19-2012 02:50 AM:

all your moaning doesn't change the facts the right lost all the way around and if you don't wise up you will lose the house in 2014 !

Posted by Rip on 11-19-2012 03:08 AM:

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Originally posted by groworg1
all your moaning doesn't change the facts the right lost all the way around and if you don't wise up you will lose the house in 2014 !

There is nothing to wise up about.

The country as we know it is finished.

There are now more freeloaders than producers. Enough of them that they can now vote themselves more of other peoples money.

Nothing else matters, it's not about logic or ideals. It's about taking other peoples stuff with the force of gubment behind it.

We have reached that tipping point that our forefathers warned us about and people voting themselves more of other peoples money outnumber the people actually working and taking care of themselves when you include the brainwashed nonthinkers. Future elections will not be won on ideas or right or wrong. They will be won based on sheer bribary from the public treasury, just like this one was.

We are finished as a country within the next 40 or so years because the producers will be less and less, there will be less and less to take and eventually someone will become a dictator because of the situation.

As I said way before the election jealousy and greed are an easy sell, and not many people getting gifts will vote against Santa Clause.

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Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 11-19-2012 03:14 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by groworg1
you will lose the house in 2014 !

Any advice on how to prevent this?

Posted by curs12 on 11-19-2012 03:18 AM:

I'm confused on the whole freeloader thing! I'm fairly wealthy and come from a large well off family and we are pretty liberal! I understand most of the debates but not sure on all the hand out business

Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 11-19-2012 03:37 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by curs12
I'm confused on the whole freeloader thing! I'm fairly wealthy and come from a large well off family and we are pretty liberal! I understand most of the debates but not sure on all the hand out business

I may be speaking out of turn, but I would say that most of the disagreement centers on this question; Who is better able to make wise, efficient, ethical, decisions on the redistribution of your wealth, you voluntarily, or the government, through coercion?

Posted by groworg1 on 11-19-2012 04:29 AM:

preacher its about becoming the party of inclusion instead of exclusion !

Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 11-19-2012 05:03 AM:

What, or whom, is to be "included"?

Posted by brushrunretiree on 11-19-2012 05:40 AM:

I WAS TOLD THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH "SOCIALISM" IS, SOONER OR LATER YOU RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES MONEY TO SPEND!!! WHAT'S THE DAILY INTEREST ON THE NATIONAL DEBT??? I WISH THERE WAS A "UNIFIER" IN THE WHITE HOUSE INSTEAD OF A "DIVIDER"!!!

Posted by truly on 11-19-2012 08:11 AM:

Joe, I like your map better. It is interesting about those super tall blue bars. And no tall red ones. Every single place that has high density population rejects Republican or conservative views. I do think OP has an intriguing question, and as much as we have all opined about it, there really is a lot to think about.
Hope you all had a good hunt tonight. Dogs got treed 9 times tonight. Took 13.

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Posted by skeets on 11-19-2012 09:38 AM:

i dont know if that map of tennessee is right. it looks like i live in a purple county by the looks of that map,but i dont think a dem.even was elected dog catcher here and obama lost my county by 17%. lol

Posted by conhtr1 on 11-19-2012 12:29 PM:

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Originally posted by trackdriver
Another good post,truly!! Don't mind cheerleading for a winner!!

I'm proud of you trac.k Much better than the racist remarks of previous posts.
( I feel like a track cheerleader)

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