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Posted by Jesse Bedward on 10-20-2012 11:44 PM:

Posted by midnite2010 on 10-21-2012 01:04 AM:

I know razor is throwin dogs. But is there anything out him reproducin just curious

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Posted by TRRedbones on 10-21-2012 03:55 AM:

Deacon & Clyde have both spent time on the reproducers list. We're also pretty impressed with what we're seeing out of Spike- though they are still a bit young for the hunts yet. Gary is also getting very nice reports on Logo puppies. We can't wait to see what X will do but we'll wait until Chris and Dave get him to GRNTCH before we worry about breeding him naturally. It's exciting to see the young ones taking the reins.

Thanks to everyone who has posted either here supporting Razor and to all of you that have been PMing with support today. We appreciate you all.

& a sincere thank you to all of those that have msg'ed, texted, or FB msg'ed me today with your condolences on Trippy. I appreciate your thoughts more than you know.

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Posted by GraysRedbone on 10-21-2012 04:55 AM:

Tree Rizin

I have a pup from a cross of DeaconXCrook and boy I couldnt be prouder. He has 50% of razor due to both sire and dam, being full offspring of razor. I got him in the summer, he is a spring male he is just 5 months and he has showed me alot. He has a good mouth, he looks very good on the tree. I did alot of looking into buying a pup and came across tree rizin kennels the breeding line was great some of the biggest names in redbone history are in this breeding line. Rob and Katina are some of the nicest people i have meet and when it comes to the redbone breed in my opinion they are the best around they know alot of information and I believe they have tooken this and made a line of dogs that has done fairly well over the years. I believe razor is a once in a lifetime dog that your never going to see anymore, due to that fact why give everything you have left away. I know the time and effort they have put into the kennel and that was their pride and joy and was part of the family.

Thanks Rob and Katina

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Posted by thecoondawg76 on 10-21-2012 06:46 AM:

Deacon

I have no doubt about Razor being a reproducer. The #'s of the hounds from the past can never be compared to the numbers now though becuase they are to seperate things in many ways. It's not a fluke thing that the numbers are as they are. The pups around before the reproducers list were bred and sold with no consideration for who they went to. Now things have changed. Now there is definately a system for high repro. #'s. That's just how it is.
However, Deacon is sure not the example I would use to show that Razor's offspring are reproducing 495 pups only 2 hunt titles for a .04 repro average. What can I say but WOW.

Now SUBZERO25099 you called me about getting a pup but chose to opt out. You told me what you were looking for and I told you I thought what I had would fix you up. Last litter I had from that female out of 10 only 1 isn't getting it. That's good #'s to me. The first one that went to the woods at 6 months old the guy that had him picked him up by himself 1.5 miles from where he turned loose down here in these thin coon, hunting for a track. He didn't tree one but neither did his GrNtCh who he turned loose with the pup. However, when people are gun shy of paying good money for a good pup then I don't know what else to say but you get what you pay for. I'm not mad at ya, your loss, but I sure don't see why you would come on here attacking someone over what they choose to do. It's a free country. We get to choose what to do especially with our own hounds.

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Ch. D-8 Dozer (Was the Highest blooded GrNtCh Fireball blooded male in the world until I had the GrNtCh Twister pups from here) Was sent to be bear hunted because of his size and me being disabled. RIP

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Posted by Jesse Bedward on 10-21-2012 07:15 AM:

Posted by Jesse Bedward on 10-21-2012 07:17 AM:

Posted by BIGOAKS ENGLISH on 10-22-2012 01:40 PM:

well her is somthing i can't figure out for being a wlker guy y are you on her bashing the red dogs but then again there always has to be one person that needs something to complain about

Posted by Jesse Bedward on 10-22-2012 03:11 PM:

Posted by redtide on 10-22-2012 03:20 PM:

I've got some nice pups on the way from two good dogs. They aren't Razor dogs, but they are well bred. That may just be the chance to "break in" -

http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthrea...eadid=928273825

Razor was a good dog and good reproducer, but he isn't the ONLY good dog in the breed. Get you a good bred one and make a winner out of him and you'll be "in".

There are plenty of good bred red pups / dogs out there - are you suggeting nobody will sell you one?

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Posted by GraysRedbone on 10-22-2012 06:38 PM:

I got my pup from tree rizin kennels the pup I got was 50% razor this litter was an important litter and I got a pup from them and I'm no huge comp hunter or don't have many connections you can get any pup you want from any breed just because you can't breed to them it's called "selective breeding" people breed today for money. The people that actually choose the male/female they are truly trying to improve the breed with line breeding the strains they Try to get are getting better and better and yes you can get these dogs no one will shut you out. Didn't you hear them they are have breedings on razor In 2013 so my suggestion would be to wait and get a pup.

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Posted by k jordan on 10-22-2012 08:09 PM:

ive hunted

with a few razor dogs and i didnt like any of them. im not trying to bash anyone. u guys have set a goal with razor n have accomplished it n razor will prolly never be passed up. sorry if u took wut i said to heart. its just ive hunted with some of his offspring but everydog has thier bad days. and i currently own a pup out of spike so dont think i dont respect you guys or ur hounds. ive just had bad luck with them i guess. and im not new to the sport. ive been in it all my life. once again im sorry if i affended you. just giving my opinion. everyone has one.

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Posted by redtide on 10-22-2012 08:14 PM:

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Originally posted by GraysRedbone
I got my pup from tree rizin kennels the pup I got was 50% razor this litter was an important litter and I got a pup from them and I'm no huge comp hunter or don't have many connections you can get any pup you want from any breed just because you can't breed to them it's called "selective breeding" people breed today for money. The people that actually choose the male/female they are truly trying to improve the breed with line breeding the strains they Try to get are getting better and better and yes you can get these dogs no one will shut you out. Didn't you hear them they are have breedings on razor In 2013 so my suggestion would be to wait and get a pup.

Absolutely. There are plenty of Outlaw bred dogs - you could even find some directly off Razor from time to time.

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Posted by TRRedbones on 10-22-2012 08:36 PM:

Re: ive hunted

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Originally posted by k jordan
with a few razor dogs and i didnt like any of them. two are nt.ch. im not doubting theres good offspring out there off him but i just havent hunted w any. hes had over 300 pups and only 30 made nt.ch. it might be no.1 in our breed but its still not impressive enough to brag how good of a reproducer he is with stats like that. jmo.

It's easy to sit in judgement and try to tear down something someone else is working hard on. You can criticize Razor's stats but, in doing so, you are criticizing the breed period, because he IS the best there has been to date. We are VERY proud of what he has accomplished and of the hard work and dedication of EVERY SINGLE PERSON that has ever hunted, shown, water raced, or field trialed a Razor pup. Razor has 34 hunting titled offspring-- 30 NTCH, 4 GRNTCHs and many, many other titled offspring.

There is a big difference between bragging and being proud. I am proud of EVERY SINGLE TITLE anyone EVER put on a Razor pup.... or a Spike pup, or Logo, or Clyde, or Deacon, or Tank, etc. etc. That is my right. For us, the buck doesn't just stop with the hunting titles. EVERY title is to be commended and supported IMO.

I rarely post on this board- mostly because the negativity never ceases to amaze me. Someone is always trying to knock someone else's dog or program. I don't really understand it. We should be spending more time supporting one another and congratulating one another on the strives we have made instead of always pointing fingers and talking nasty about someone's dog of a lifetime. It's silly. Razor has been gone for a year and a half and IS a great reproducer, was a classy dog himself, and did a lot of winning at the national level. He really has nothing more to prove.

We are not mass breeding him and then advertising his puppies daily to try to get everyone to go out and buy a Razor pup. Actually- just the opposite. We breed to his semen when we need a pup for ourselves and then, we share any extra pups that happen to be in the cross. We do not try to force him or his puppies on anyone- ever. If you don't want a pup out of him, don't own one. If you do, we'll do our best to get you one. That's pretty much it. But if I take a moment every now and then to make sure that the newcomers have a little information about the stud dog that my entire family misses every single day, back off!

Most negative comments have nothing to do with the dog that he was. Just people taking jabs to try to knock down someone else's hard work.

Usually what results from these negative jabs though is that several people reading end up calling Rob or PMing me with their support. There are usually a few that will be looking for a pup, and many that are just as tired of the nonsense as we are. Regardless, it always seems to bring us closer to at least a few hunters so I guess there's the silver lining.

For those that are ALWAYS respectful and gentlemanly/ mannerly in your replies and comments, thank you so much for your continued support. For those hoping for a pup, we do have a breeding planned for 2013. I'm not sure if it will be a Spring or Fall cross but I will update our website as we get closer.

Thanks again- Kat.

Posted by BIGOAKS ENGLISH on 10-22-2012 09:38 PM:

here is what i would like to know Y does all this bull crap gota start over one person wanting a little info on a dog or a phone number

Posted by redtide on 10-22-2012 09:56 PM:

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Originally posted by BIGOAKS ENGLISH
here is what i would like to know Y does all this bull crap gota start over one person wanting a little info on a dog or a phone number

Folks haven't grown up yet. In addition to cheating and unsportsmanlike conduct, bad mouthing folks and their dogs (unjustly) all work against our great sport.

Solomon suggested it is foolish to answer a fool. I'd much rather shut up and hunt. Who's with me?

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Posted by GraysRedbone on 10-22-2012 10:01 PM:

Kennel

Honestly I don't own a number one reproducer or anything of caliber most people don't, because it takes alot of work and dedicaton. Every BREED has bad ones and good ones, don't care what dog they got bad ones and good ones always will be reproduced. Tree rizin has put alot of effort into getting all these dogs titled and so has all the people that own these offspring it takes alot of training,breeding,going to hunts/shows,time after work, etc. Razor is the number one reproducer im sorry but facts don't lie no matter how you look at it stats can't be taken away. Instead of bashing the dogs lets congrat them for what they have done to improve the breed. This kennel has done alot of work and put alot of time into these dogs and they deserve a thanks on their accomplishments. Some people may not want a pup from their kennel, but believe me im getting another dog from them in my opinion they are what I like.

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Posted by TRACK-N-TREE on 10-22-2012 10:47 PM:

Hey Rob & Kat

Keep doing what your doing!
You know, I guess I was just raised differently.
Because I was always taught that you treat people the way you want to be treated. And that if you didn't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all!
But hey, I guess that's why I appreciate what my parents instilled into me.
Anyways, Rob and Kat, there are a heck of a lot more people who respect what you guys do than those who bash it.
Good luck and you have my support and hopefully Bo will be GT NT before too long.

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Posted by redpower on 10-22-2012 11:08 PM:

Re: Hey Rob & Kat

quote:
Originally posted by TRACK-N-TREE
Keep doing what your doing!
You know, I guess I was just raised differently.
Because I was always taught that you treat people the way you want to be treated. And that if you didn't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all!
But hey, I guess that's why I appreciate what my parents instilled into me.
Anyways, Rob and Kat, there are a heck of a lot more people who respect what you guys do than those who bash it.
Good luck and you have my support and hopefully Bo will be GT NT before too long.

ALL I CAN ADD TO THUIS STATEMENT IS AMEN

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Posted by redtide on 10-22-2012 11:20 PM:

Re: Hey Rob & Kat

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Originally posted by TRACK-N-TREE
Keep doing what your doing!
You know, I guess I was just raised differently.
Because I was always taught that you treat people the way you want to be treated. And that if you didn't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all!
But hey, I guess that's why I appreciate what my parents instilled into me.
Anyways, Rob and Kat, there are a heck of a lot more people who respect what you guys do than those who bash it.
Good luck and you have my support and hopefully Bo will be GT NT before too long.

And Jesus said that..."Do unto others......"

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Posted by TRACK-N-TREE on 10-22-2012 11:27 PM:

Yes

Amen!!!!

Posted by rickp on 10-23-2012 02:30 AM:

I have a Razor Dual CH dog .I bought him from Tree Rizin Redbones . He is exactly what Rob said he was . I could not ask for better people to have dealt with and I'm just a guy that wanted a Red dog that would tree a coon . Keep up the good work . Thanks Rob & Kat

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Posted by johnny nipp on 10-23-2012 03:17 AM:

What yall have done with Razor is great and has tooken alot of work.Anyone thinks it not get them one and try it yourself.When they start useing the semen again i am going to try and get a female.Rob and Kat keep up the good work.

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Posted by powerline on 11-06-2012 12:06 AM:

im rob and katinas nephew and all i have to say is if razor was still alive, at 13,14, 15 yrs or even older, i would bet my paycheck that there is still no dog that can out hunt him. for u sub zero id bet a years salary because im sure with the big mouth u got im sure u have the best dog that ever hit the woods. if ur not in the redbone breed anymore do us a favor and stay out. keep ur comments out with u. rob, katina, and chris. keep it up, ur doin better for the breed than anyone would ever dream of doin.

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Posted by Jesse Bedward on 11-06-2012 12:16 AM:

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