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Posted by smokin-1-mo on 09-24-2012 09:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Oak Ridge
I'm not sure I see where all of the "drama" is coming from.

In NASCAR, they have the "Green-White-Checker" finish, in the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, and basketball, football, Hockey, Soccer, and baseball teams right down to the little league world series they play "extra innings", overtime, extra periods...whatever.

Jeeze, are we coonhunters really so narrow minded that we can't open ourselves up to the fact that we had an overtime?

They didn't just up and decide to hunt an overtime hour, the rule wasn't changed "on the spot"....it has been that way for a number of years, or don't we read the rule book? The best I can tell, the overtime period has been used before without all of the uproar, and while I truly hope that it never has to be used again....it is what it is...

Congrats to the winner!

THIS IS NOT THE NBA,NFL OR WHAT EVER AND OVER TIMES ARE USED WHEN THEY HAVE A TIE......200- AND 0 IS NOT A TIE...JEEZZZZ

AND NO WE DONT READ THE RULE BOOK AND DONT CARE TO MY POINT IS IT SHOULD BE OVER AFTER 2 HRS NO MATTER WHAT THE SCORE IS FOR ANYONE....JEEZZZ THERE IS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT SO LET NOT BE SO NARROW MINDED TO THINK THERE IS NOT..JEEZZZ

AND I THINK UKC SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THE COONHUNTERS ARE SAYIN AND NOT LET IT FALL ON DEAF EARS....

Posted by Buckshot on 09-24-2012 09:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Oak Ridge
I'm not sure I see where all of the "drama" is coming from.

Can folks have their own OPINION without it being DRAMA?

I know you used sports as an example of OT..........Your correct, sports come down to OT in their Finals, but don't they come down to OT, Extra Innings, Extra Periods, and ETC,,,, during the regular season as well? Something Coon Hunts don't.

And that is why MY OPINION or DRAMA if that is what you want to call OPINIONS is about. -- There was no OT to get there, so shouldn't be any at the end.

Posted by GA DAWG on 09-24-2012 09:47 PM:

Re: no leaves!!!

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Originally posted by prostockpat
slick tree'n idiots and the "slick" handlers will be gone.no leaves levels the field.

be coondog vs coondog ...not coondog vs tree dog{thats 50% accurate} that stays in the hunt with circle.
minus them out and go on.

coon or no coon seen ,period.

just thin about it.it would change comp hunting for the better!
be a different hound bred and brought to town.alot more cull'n and less junk forsale.

You still aint gonna have a bluetick world champ. Dont matter if they have it in the arctic circle in a coon pen

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 09-24-2012 09:53 PM:

Sorry guys....I didn't mean to ruffle feathers with the "D" word (drama). That sounded a whole lot more harsh than I meant it to be..... Again, sorry for the poor choice of words.

I just don't think in my most humble opinion that since the rules are spelled out very clearly in the rule book, and that includes the fact that the ONLY cast that is allowed to have an OT, there is a big issue here.

Now, I'm not saying that there is never room for improvement, but I'm not sure some of the suggestions here are truly improvement suggestions.

Think long and hard about some of the suggestions. Remember that when the first tree points moved to 125 it sounded pretty harmless....now we have a lot of dogs that like to get "first tree" without a coon....

I understand why you might think that the 200- points should exclude that dog from winning in OT, but what if the other dogs hunt 4 hours without treeing a score-able coon, then what will we complain about.

What if we just wipe all scores clean at the end of the "regulation" time....and have a sudden death? The reality is that there were two other dogs that had the same opportunity to score on a coon in the overtime period that were NOT packing minus points....and they failed to do so. That doesn't make them any less of a coon dog, just means they didn't have enough plus points at the end of the extra time to win....

Again, just my opinion....

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Posted by Bill Rader on 09-24-2012 10:14 PM:

Re: HOW ABOUT

quote:
Originally posted by prostockpat
hold the hunt where there are coon!! won't be no need for a 3 hr hunt.
also hold it in central usa...like maybe southern indiana, illinois or iowa?make it fair in travel for all.
alot more chance for split trees,make dog take pressure,see coon,cooler temps,and less b.s. to deal with.

be extra nice in fall with no leaves.eliminate the hounds/handlers that "live" on circle instead of minus.
slick tree'n hounds won't advance.

No Leaves....I'm with ya.....but it might hurt too many pocket books due to lack of attendance.

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Posted by Clif Owen on 09-24-2012 10:16 PM:

Yeah..but what will they complain about then?

Posted by rance56 on 09-24-2012 10:24 PM:

there would be nothing worse than to NOT crown a world champion. the dogs proved they deserved to be there and its jsut stupid to not crown a dog a winner after all they did to get there.

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Posted by Frankenstein on 09-24-2012 10:28 PM:

Aren't overtime periods in sports only when there is a deadlock tie? I know the super bowl is played until there is a winner and that's not the case during the regular NFL season unless they have changed something I'm not aware of.

I think what Chuck's trying to say , there wasn't a four way tie at the end of two hours.

Posted by Bill Rader on 09-24-2012 10:33 PM:

LOL

Considering that we are rule changing....I have one that I am curious about.

When all dogs are struck and they split tree ....they have clearly ran a seperate track. Why not adjust the track points. It stinks to take a 3rd or 4th strike behind another dog when you had the 1st or 2nd strike on a seperate coon track? The tree is moved up because it is a seperate coon....why not the strike?

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 09-24-2012 10:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Frankenstein
Aren't overtime periods in sports only when there is a deadlock tie? I know the super bowl is played until there is a winner and that's not the case during the regular NFL season unless they have changed something I'm not aware of.

I think what Chuck's trying to say , there wasn't a four way tie at the end of two hours.

Well, it depends on how you look at it I suppose. According to UKC, there was no "winner"...at the end of two hours they were all losers, so in effect they were tied.

Until UKC decides that circle points, deleted strike points, and minus points (least minus) are used to determine a winner, the four dogs involved in this hunt were tied for NOTHING....

Let's remember that while we tend to only think about the first place winner....we are placing four dogs here. As has been demonstrated, the fourth place dog at the end of the two hours had what it takes to come back and place first.... Now I don't know if that is "right" or not...but I would hate to think that the rules would change such that the first minus points you take in the finals of the world hunt could eliminate me from an "extra inning" should one be necessary. So should a dog be eliminated from the cast for scoring minus points, even when no other dog has produced plus points? Not sure of the answer on that one......

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Posted by Frankenstein on 09-24-2012 10:41 PM:

What does second ,third and fourth place receive ? Just curious.

Posted by Oak Ridge on 09-24-2012 10:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Frankenstein
What does second ,third and fourth place receive ? Just curious.

Trophies, just like the first place dog.... Just smaller!

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 09-24-2012 11:00 PM:

Now, here is a real good question that I have, since we are talking about it....

Since the rule for breaking a tie in a regular UKC hunt states that an unbreakable tie could be hunted off, or by a coin flip...and nobody agrees to flip a coin....

What if you have two dogs tied for 0 at the end of the night? I know the rules don't allow for overtime in a regular UKC hunt, but what would stop a club from breaking a tie on a "dead cast"?

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Posted by Frankenstein on 09-24-2012 11:31 PM:

Why would you waste the time on a dead cast, kinda silly. Can't recieve any awards or points at the club level

Posted by Mark V. on 09-24-2012 11:45 PM:

If we would have all understood that this rule was there would we feel differant about it? I believe ukc has taken a step back but they are still the best regerstry out there. they will do better in the future and i believe all 4 of these dogs should enjoy thier glory! These dogs and handlers have done something that most of us only dream about . congrats. to all 4 of the final 4 dogs.

Posted by jason2579 on 09-25-2012 12:16 AM:

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Originally posted by Clif Owen
I'm not even going to read all of the posts here...do you REALLY think that no leaves = no circle?? Haven't you ever heard of a hollow tree??

Maybe you should go back and read the hollow or den tree was covered and yes i think everyone knows what they are.

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Posted by jason2579 on 09-25-2012 12:20 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by rance56
there would be nothing worse than to NOT crown a world champion. the dogs proved they deserved to be there and its jsut stupid to not crown a dog a winner after all they did to get there.

Rance56 not to stir the pot but hasn't it not been done before. And from what i remember none of the guys in that hunt complained about it. They went by same rules then as they are now.

Posted by rance56 on 09-25-2012 12:44 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jason2579
Rance56 not to stir the pot but hasn't it not been done before. And from what i remember none of the guys in that hunt complained about it. They went by same rules then as they are now.

just curious to what method or information you are using to state no one complained about it?

i would imagine it was the complaiing that lead to the rules we have now to where we keep hunting until hopefully we have a winner

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Posted by jason2579 on 09-25-2012 01:08 AM:

Well from a guy that was there that talked to one of the guys in the final 4. He told him it pretty much is what it is a dead cast. Same rules applied then why not now. It only happened once so where has the complaining come from that changed it since it happen sometime back. Or was the rule changed made cause what happened over A.O. What about them guys that didn't get OT back then guess that's ok they got swallow that pill.

Posted by rance56 on 09-25-2012 01:13 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jason2579
Well from a guy that was there that talked to one of the guys

where would be if we didnt improve things for the better just becuase folks in the past didnt get the luxury?

just who/what does it benefit to not name a world champion?

come hunt down here and its not a freak of nature to hunt a couple of hours an not tree a coon for your efforts.

btw, im just using decuctive reasoning, but the reason it only happened once was becuase the rule was changed after the first time it happened would be my guess

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Posted by jason2579 on 09-25-2012 01:53 AM:

Could be wrong but i think this was the first time hearing about the new rule for the final 4 the year there was no champion was several years back if there was that much complaining it surely would've been changed way before now. FYI i have hunted in that area while in the service with friends that lived there. Yes it took awhile sometimes and sometimes it didn't. Not trying stir the pot. I guess it is what is from here on out. I'm not taking anything away from the world champ she won under their current rules good job. I guess who or what does it benefit for those that gotta go by the same set of rules all year long threw the rqe's the zones and the finals. Guess that about sums it up for me on this subject.

Posted by rance56 on 09-25-2012 02:02 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jason2579
all year long threw the rqe's the zones and the finals. .

thats why they and we desrve to see a world champion named.

there are plenty examples of hunts hunting under different rules than the typical weekedn hunt does.

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Posted by Bob Hennessey on 09-25-2012 02:28 AM:

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Originally posted by jason2579
Rance56 not to stir the pot but hasn't it not been done before. And from what i remember none of the guys in that hunt complained about it. They went by same rules then as they are now.

This is not entirely accurate. The rules changed since no World Ch was crowned the last time. On page 103 of the 2011 UKC rule book. Under Sat. Night final cast. Looks to me this rule has been in place for at least the last 2 years. You would have to talk to your breed reps. about how it was included in the hunt rules for 2011 and in force till new rules are adopted. It wasn't something that was thought up at the last moment. I don't know if the breed reps. voted this, guess you'd have to ask your breed rep.
I'm not sure if this was in an earlier rule book as I only have the latest one Jan.1,2011.

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Posted by blueghost on 09-25-2012 03:05 AM:

They are supposed to be the best of the best not taking anything away from the dogs but they should be able to tree a coon or to in a 2 hour hunt afterall they are hunting to be the world championship. overtime only if all dogs are tied with plus points then hunt it of. J.m.o

Posted by jason2579 on 09-25-2012 03:19 AM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Seeker
[B]This is not entirely accurate. The rules changed since no World Ch was crowned the last time. On page 103 of the 2011 UKC rule book. Under Sat. Night final cast.

Like i said i could be wrong. But i knew the rule was in there for a tie breaking purposes. I guess i never saw a rule for it to go into overtime for dead cast nor have i heard of it ever mentioned before this weekend. But you can be very well right Bob i guess i don't have a 2011 rule book.

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