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Posted by Randy Howard on 09-06-2012 07:17 PM:

My dog has had this with weed seeds also 3 rd eye get debri in their and will cause red and matted lookin eyes, got oinment from vet worked wonders in a few days,but need to check eyes and remove debri.

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Posted by down and out on 09-06-2012 07:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Shock the heck out of em everytime they get in a bean field. Nothing and I mean nothing positive comes from a dog running a coon in beans.

This is just my oppinion.

So what do your dogs do when the track starts elsewhere and takes to
a bean field, do they quit the track or sit waiting at the edge with a stupified look waiting for the coon to come back out?

Posted by Larry D Walker on 09-06-2012 07:52 PM:

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MR DUEMMER

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
Just when i started thinking that you might actually be coonhunter you win the dumbest statement of the day award.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

HUNT ALOT OF BEAN FIELDS NEVER HAD AN EYE ISSUE AND TREE A LOT OF COONS

MAYBE HOOSIER MAN FROM OHIO DOGS ARE RUNNING DEER LOL

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 09-06-2012 08:44 PM:

Re: I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MR DUEMMER

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Originally posted by Larry D Walker
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

HUNT ALOT OF BEAN FIELDS NEVER HAD AN EYE ISSUE AND TREE A LOT OF COONS

MAYBE HOOSIER MAN FROM OHIO DOGS ARE RUNNING DEER LOL

that could be. A dog having the smarts to realize trees is where coon are not in beans can't be taught. It either has the intelligence or it doesn't. A dog that flies down the edges with its head up will tree you far more coon. Thats the kind of dog I strive for.

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Posted by R_Wilson on 09-06-2012 08:55 PM:

Re: Re: I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MR DUEMMER

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
that could be. A dog having the smarts to realize trees is where coon are not in beans can't be taught. It either has the intelligence or it doesn't. A dog that flies down the edges with its head up will tree you far more coon. Thats the kind of dog I strive for.

EXACTLY!
Max goes around the edgeand pops coon like popcorn if theyre there, but sometimes he ll get on one in the field..sometimes

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Posted by l.lyle on 09-06-2012 09:20 PM:

LOL Sounds alot like here. Some people hate the marsh. I love it. They will shock a dog out of the marsh. I want a dog to stick with a coon wherever it goes no matter how long and if it takes awhile I like that better. What I am certain of is my dogs can bring them out. I have never seen his do anything but quit after tthirty minutes. I am required to kill every coon I tree and I get $10 apiece for them. I could hunt the marsh edges and tree pop ups all night long but I like hearing a dog work a track, get it running and run heck out of it till it trees. That marshgrass seed loads up in their eyes too. They must get used to it. If dogs swim the river and don't come back for a few days their ribs are showing, eyes are sunk in and matted but that is mostly from running and not eating I think. Different strokes for different folks I recon!

Posted by Larry D Walker on 09-06-2012 10:43 PM:

Re: Re: I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MR DUEMMER

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
that could be. A dog having the smarts to realize trees is where coon are not in beans can't be taught. It either has the intelligence or it doesn't. A dog that flies down the edges with its head up will tree you far more coon. Thats the kind of dog I strive for.

I always thought the coon was at the end of the track, and the end of the track is where and when the dog puts him there.

Sounds like yall are hunting bird dogs on quail to me.

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Posted by Mike Hill on 09-06-2012 11:14 PM:

milo feilds are worse

on them i think

Posted by ONEDOGNIGHT on 09-07-2012 12:54 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MR DUEMMER

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Like I said Larry smart dogs are edge hunters in summer months. Its just the facts. Dogs that get in beans very often at all are waisting a ton of time. Im not out there to listen to dogs bark in fields. Hey this is just my oppinion. And no mine get turned together once every 2 or 3 months together.

Beans are rough on a dog. Cuts em up, makes em get hot, hard for them to manuver, while a coon can go right under the majority of the leaves. I will stick to my statement. Nothing positive ever comes from dogs getting in fields. Especially beans. Sure you will luck up every now and the. And run one right out of the beans right to a tree. But as sure as I'm typing this you will have far more headaches in beans then you will rejoycement.

Thinking about this long and hard and think I will agree. But I be **** if I'm going to shock for it. Have seen coon struck deep and I mean deep to only come close and run the beans.

Posted by l.lyle on 09-07-2012 01:35 AM:

I was seeing some of your take on it untill you finnished up talking about Walkers. What I had imagined what you liked was a fat lazy , sometimey, track quiting dog. Have walkers got that bad? And stand on their head? You'll never get a dog in shape to do right if he won't work or you won't let him work.

Posted by Larry D Walker on 09-07-2012 01:44 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MR DUEMMER

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Like I said Larry smart dogs are edge hunters in summer months. Its just the facts. Dogs that get in beans very often at all are waisting a ton of time. Im not out there to listen to dogs bark in fields. Hey this is just my oppinion. And no mine get turned together once every 2 or 3 months together.

Beans are rough on a dog. Cuts em up, makes em get hot, hard for them to manuver, while a coon can go right under the majority of the leaves. I will stick to my statement. Nothing positive ever comes from dogs getting in fields. Especially beans. Sure you will luck up every now and the. And run one right out of the beans right to a tree. But as sure as I'm typing this you will have far more headaches in beans then you will rejoycement.

To each his own but I totally disagree, treed several last nite on and around bean fields, at certain times of year here thats where you find them, in this country hard to turn loose without getting in beans. I have had my dogs run so hard and many nights in a row in beans it will wear the hair off their face.just because they strike one in a bean field doesnt mean they will be out there long.I dont hunt a dog that will be in there long, he is bringing him out in a hurry, no different than corn, wheat or milo all the same if the dog can handle a track. not saying they wont pop one up on the edge, but if the dog is goin down one side of the field and the coon is 3/4 across the other in a 300 acre field he better be able to handle that track, just saying I dont have any trouble but no matter how big the field or what is in it he wont be out there long and ol slough foot will be looking down at ya while bird dog is still goin down the edge. No problems here with beans or any other type of field. My opinion they better be able to handle it night in and night out no matter what or where it is, get tuff or move on down the road. No time for this ol man to be standing around listening to a boo hooing stand on there head kinda dog. You are welcome to come to west central indiana anytime and I will show you some bean field coons in a hurry, not bein smart just an open invitation, time to go hit the beans its getting dark. But anyhow I would never shock my dog for taking a track anywhere, I might get after him if he doesnt continue that track, but he better be goin and goin now to the end where rickie is.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 09-07-2012 01:46 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by l.lyle
I was seeing some of your take on it untill you finnished up talking about Walkers. What I had imagined what you liked was a fat lazy , sometimey, track quiting dog. Have walkers got that bad? And stand on their head? You'll never get a dog in shape to do right if he won't work or you won't let him work.

Your more then welcome to come watch mine work anytime. Be glad to have you. Don't expect to see any bean field races tho

Posted by down and out on 09-07-2012 02:05 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by l.lyle
I was seeing some of your take on it untill you finnished up talking about Walkers. What I had imagined what you liked was a fat lazy , sometimey, track quiting dog. Have walkers got that bad? And stand on their head? You'll never get a dog in shape to do right if he won't work or you won't let him work.

Yes certain strains of walkers have gotten that bad. I've said it many times, slick treeing is lack of drive and desire to work a track more than 100 yrds . I hunt walkers and I guess I never seen a problem getting a coon out of a bean field. A buddy of my will send his right through the middle of one from the road and you always look at a coon in short order. Guess we need to start painting thier toenails and putting barbi clothes on them ,hate to get a purty one all scratched up. And we wonder what happened to the breeds, it was thinking like this. Better shock em on them bad tracks in january too, hate to see anyone's feet get cold! Hoosierman you better leave the breeding to someone else, PLEASE!!!!

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 09-07-2012 02:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by down and out
Yes certain strains of walkers have gotten that bad. I've said it many times, slick treeing is lack of drive and desire to work a track more than 100 yrds . I hunt walkers and I guess I never seen a problem getting a coon out of a bean field. A buddy of my will send his right through the middle of one from the road and you always look at a coon in short order. Guess we need to start painting thier toenails and putting barbi clothes on them ,hate to get a purty one all scratched up. And we wonder what happened to the breeds, it was thinking like this. Better shock em on them bad tracks in january too, hate to see anyone's feet get cold! Hoosierman you better leave the breeding to someone else, PLEASE!!!!

This was HALF the coon Mouse treed this past season. And she gets in a bean field maybe one night out of 30 she's turned loose. Get ahold of me and we'll set up a hunt. Bring the best you have and we will turn them loose. Take a look at my thread who is hunting tonight on page 3 or 4 of the ukc coonhoonhound message board.

Posted by ONEDOGNIGHT on 09-07-2012 02:26 AM:

Dang wish mine could tree that many!!

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 09-07-2012 02:26 AM:

You are right though. She is kinda purdy. Dont much want hair rubbed off her anywhere.

Posted by l.lyle on 09-07-2012 02:28 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Your more then welcome to come watch mine work anytime. Be glad to have you. Don't expect to see any bean field races tho

Thanks for the invite but I think I would rather hunt with Down and Out. LOL. And bring my dogs not just listen to yours. I don't know how to figure who has the better dog if they always treeing pop ups and layups and splitting up. Never getting to hear a head to head RACE for telling. How can you tell if the dog is any good by counting up points? I have always wanted to hunt big fields but we don't have them. All we got like a big field is marsh. It must have been my great grandaddy that passed on his love of fox hunting in my genes.

Posted by down and out on 09-07-2012 02:33 AM:

Thank goodness for good lights. I prefer to brag about the ones I don't shoot. To me it's a sin to shoot more than one per tree .I haven't carried a coon out of the woods in 25 years. I don't need you to show me what a coondog is I already know.
I'll cull one that quits a coon track,a definate killer fault. I'd be ashamed of myself to post a picture like that. To me it's about the dogs not impressing my buddies.

Posted by down and out on 09-07-2012 02:34 AM:

She is a very nice looking hound, how is she bred?

Posted by l.lyle on 09-07-2012 02:38 AM:

Well, I don't recon I'd care to hunt with Down and Out either. LOL I have to kill everyone I tree or don't come back. And it doesn't bother me a bit. I just love a good race. I hate to shoot a good running coon, just the opposite for most folks.

Posted by down and out on 09-07-2012 02:39 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by l.lyle
Thanks for the invite but I think I would rather hunt with Down and Out. LOL. And bring my dogs not just listen to yours. I don't know how to figure who has the better dog if they always treeing pop ups and layups and splitting up. Never getting to hear a head to head RACE for telling. How can you tell if the dog is any good by counting up points? I have always wanted to hunt big fields but we don't have them. All we got like a big field is marsh. It must have been my great grandaddy that passed on his love of fox hunting in my genes.

Lyle, can remember a line of English dogs down your way out the rosewood kennel, believed they were started by Jack Smith? If you turned one loose in his country they were in water as soon as you cut loose. That line of dogs had more heart and drive than most will ever experiance and would run the track up to fifty yards off the actual track with their heads level with the ground.

Posted by down and out on 09-07-2012 02:44 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
A coon hunter that actually kills coon with his hounds? My, I should be ashamed! Like I said that was only half and I will assure you they were ALL KILLED with one of my hounds at the bottom of them. What's this world coming to. See what makes a coon dog to me is one that I can tree coon with on any given night then hit up any hunt within reason and have a great chance of winning it.

Some of the most winningest dogs will leave a cold track right now and get hooked 1000 yards away with a coon. You can't teach that. Its a gift

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just not my thing. Some can drive a cold track and some just can't. I'll take a cold nose track driving dog over straight line hot nosed dog any day.

Posted by down and out on 09-07-2012 02:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by l.lyle
Well, I don't recon I'd care to hunt with Down and Out either. LOL I have to kill everyone I tree or don't come back. And it doesn't bother me a bit. I just love a good race. I hate to shoot a good running coon, just the opposite for most folks.

Killing one and carrying one out are two different things. I kill enough,but feel we need them more than the dog does.

Posted by l.lyle on 09-07-2012 02:58 AM:

I think me and Hoosier Man and Down and out represent the Three biggest different factions of coon hunters. Can any body think of more?

Posted by roughcreekhound on 09-07-2012 03:29 AM:

bean fields

Hey guys i just wanted help in gettin my dogs eyes better. I think i got that. plus stirred up a big discuision. I really enjoyed reading all the comments. In the end i think we just need to have a coon up the tree. weither its a lay up or come out of the beanfield. I dont wont my dogs running for long periods of time in beanfields, I think they need to be treed somewhere .Just my opinion. But when your in a 2 hour night hunt you cant shock your dogs. what ever floats your boat .

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