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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 05-17-2012 11:21 PM:

Re: Do Pups that Tree Early Slick More?

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Originally posted by T Felderman
What are some thoughts. Do dogs that start treeing early around 3-6 months coming up short a bit more when they get older?



define treeing a coon?

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Posted by Dentre on 05-17-2012 11:53 PM:

Just my hunting

It's all totally about the handling. Why does some people say truck lights or calling them in and they start treeing. I am a firm handler when it comes to a dog. Loading, treeing I don't care. When I want that dog to come to me he's coming regardless if he's got a coon or not. People have to realize man has control over the dog. YES a 2 year old dog will make a better coon hound in my experience. Big deal if they tree at 6 month's old, they are only puppies. They better never pull me through a fence. I WIN, over the dog.


Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 05-17-2012 11:56 PM:

i like to have 1 with a little brains and hyper that wants to please

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Posted by l.lyle on 05-18-2012 12:01 AM:

I understand what some of you guys are saying about whether a dog has treeing in him or not. The first pup I ever bought was supposed to Be Black and Tan. Took me till he was over two years old to get him to stay treed any time but come to find out years later he was 1/2 running walker and 1/2 July fox dog. Honestly do ya'll ever come up with dogs that won't tree? I mean if they are not ruint? Or just plain worthless? I am trying to recall any dog in have trained in the past 25 years that did not end up treeing satisfactorily. From Fro 40 years ago to 5 years ago I have Predominantly had House then old Hickory Nut Harry, then Dahoneys, Then Sacket Jr and Coma about the same time. I have hunted Leopards for the last five years and some Leopard X walker too. Any thing will tree . Everything has the tree blood in them. They might be a year old or older holding a tree but I don't get excited or worried till 1 1/2 years old. If I only had one dog I might want the thrill of seeing them tree early but I have plenty of tree dogs and they will tre when they are ready. Out of the dogs I listed I bet yall can make a real good guess on the one line I wasted almost ten years on. I sure did get excited seeing those little fellows hammering a tree at 5 months but after awhile you finally figure they are 5 or6 six years old and just mediocre track dogs and half accurate but showie treedogs it finally gets old.


Posted by matkno on 05-18-2012 12:40 AM:

I dont know if id expect much outta 3 to 6 month old pup .I got a dog thats alittle over two now that i trained ,he was very easy to train but i did put alot of time in on him as far as a handle and knowing right from wrong .He started treeing his owen coons at 9 months old and just got better and better every night .I mostley hunted him by his self and i think i knocked out about 30 coons to him by the time he was one year old .I have been proud of him and had alot of good nights in the woods .To me 8 to 9 months would be a earley starter .just my opinion .


Posted by WLDCHINSANEJANE on 05-18-2012 03:26 AM:

Todd

I used to loved treed dogs at a young age but have shy away just a little. I want a pup that will tree a turn loose coon in style and when it shows me it can I'm starting to let them take there time and become a real coondog. It's mostly the TRAINER than the pup. JMO


Posted by mrains on 05-20-2012 08:42 PM:

i've read through these reply,s and had to respond, the best i,ve read and have to agree don,t quote me but something like there,s no two the same if they are then some one sold you your dog back. no two dogs train the same what works with one may not work on the other it takes alot of one on one time to finish a dog a pup treeing at an early age is far from a finished dog.jmo


Posted by l.lyle on 05-21-2012 02:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by mrains
i've read through these reply,s and had to respond, the best i,ve read and have to agree don,t quote me but something like there,s no two the same if they are then some one sold you your dog back. no two dogs train the same what works with one may not work on the other it takes alot of one on one time to finish a dog a pup treeing at an early age is far from a finished dog.jmo


We differ on that. Any dog in a line CAN be different, but not likely. There are certain traits in certain lines that can be counted on to hold true (overall). I never thought Early treeing could be badbut then again , I never thought a dog striking a half mile off in 5 minutes was bad. Up until I quit with walkers a few years ago I did not have to see the dog because it was dark. But I could lay a bet on what MAIN lines they were out of just by observing how they hunted and sometime sounded and would be right more often than wrong. The same holds true for Leopards on certain traits. Heck , that is a big reason on why certain people buy a certain line of dogs is because they think they stand a better chance of getting the traits they are after. If a puppy treeing turns you on , go for it . If a dog striking dang near out of hearing and won't work with another dog makes you happy, then go for that.
We agree that a pup treeing at an early age is FAR from a finished dog. The problem I encountered is being IMPRESSED with an early tree er and overlooking a problem when I should have been Culling. But that was my fault.


Posted by GA DAWG on 05-21-2012 02:22 AM:

Now see l.Lyle. I can tell its been a dang while since you've hunted with the walkers of today. Most strike right off the lead nowdays. Might be a half mile or more before treeing but striking ain't the problem lol. I put my early treeing pup up for a few months. 2 almost. She was just to young for me seems like. Im breaking her back out this week at a yr old. Im hoping she's grown up at night in the woods. I've been working her the whole time roading and on a check cord. I hope she makes it. She seems and acts like a older dog now. I really think she has matured.

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Posted by l.lyle on 05-21-2012 02:41 AM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Now see l.Lyle. I can tell its been a dang while since you've hunted with the walkers of today. Most strike right off the lead nowdays. Might be a half mile or more before treeing but striking ain't the problem lol. I put my early treeing pup up for a few months. 2 almost. She was just to young for me seems like. Im breaking her back out this week at a yr old. Im hoping she's grown up at night in the woods. I've been working her the whole time roading and on a check cord. I hope she makes it. She seems and acts like a older dog now. I really think she has matured.

You must be right but I am sorry they are breeding more problems into them. We had some of that going on a long time ago but UKC seemed to get it fixed with striking on or before the third bark. If their was a racehorse go yonder in the pack/cast it happened abunch but everybody seemed to know waht was going on. So it wasn't much of a problem. Funny to me how everybody would line their dogs up like horses in a starting gate and cut them at the same second. I liked to let mine get tangled up around my ankes so I could fall down and fiddle with the snap till the others got out of sight. I was just penalizing myself but that worked for me and mine. Do people realy think their dog is striking when it is in sight going 40 miles an hour chasing dogs????


Posted by l.lyle on 05-22-2012 02:36 AM:

Striking for true is not the problem?


Posted by Dentre on 05-22-2012 04:21 AM:

We don't Know

But we got some kind of blood that we are going to try. If that don't work I know I can always find a dog that will tree a coon.


Posted by dbprofitt56 on 05-22-2012 07:11 PM:

Had one that would run and tree his own coon @ 51/2 mo. old! My buddy took his Gr. Nt. over to see this young dog and his littermate brother go. He cut his dog and and the whiter pup, he said that pup got in there got struck, his dog opened with him,and lined that track out, and no sooner did his dog come on the wood, he said that pup rolled up on the wood, with this big screamin locate and blew it down! They got back to the truck, and the fella who owned both pups ask him, "now do you wanna see my good pup"? He said that pup went huntin like an old dog, got struck and treed, and did it right! I bought the whiter pup, and he is my measuring stick. He was deadly accurate, and could tree any kind of track. I do believe that hunting him hard at such an early age, hurt him the older he got. He died at a fairly young age. This was a great cross, and that was the biggest factor in these dogs!

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