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So....it all seems to be north this south does that....I'm usually humble, but since this thread came up here ya go....u hunt dogs in swamp, blowed down timber from hurricanes, woods so thick that you go about50 yards in thirty minutes and so on....and you raise, train and hunt hounds in that every night....then you go to Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and wherever else up there where you can wear flip flops and shorts and never touch a briar and you hunt around corn fields you find out its hard to tree coons because your dog keeps catching them on the ground. It's easy for them.......I have done this before!! More than once...... Now come on back with it..... Anyone who has one of them poodles just bring him on down with a pocket full of cash....we'll holla

I agree to a point but some people don't have 1000's of acres to hunt or have farm land to hunt. So I understand to a point what you're saying though. I just have a couple of places, a 200 acre track here a 100 acre track there. It's a good and bad thing.

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Originally posted by EFranks
So....it all seems to be north this south does that....I'm usually humble, but since this thread came up here ya go....u hunt dogs in swamp, blowed down timber from hurricanes, woods so thick that you go about50 yards in thirty minutes and so on....and you raise, train and hunt hounds in that every night....then you go to Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and wherever else up there where you can wear flip flops and shorts and never touch a briar and you hunt around corn fields you find out its hard to tree coons because your dog keeps catching them on the ground. It's easy for them.......I have done this before!! More than once...... Now come on back with it..... Anyone who has one of them poodles just bring him on down with a pocket full of cash....we'll holla

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Naa......lol the headscratchin' comes from when we make the trip up there we usually draw out with blind people....they just cannot see dim coons...it's actually funny to me

What's even better than that is when they come down here...we cut them where they have to leave swimming and they run up and down the hill barkin @ the water

Almost forgot .....big hunts? 1994 Grand American CH...high scoring dog both nights ..Sue....owned by Wayne Knowlton and Eric Franks...rip ole girl

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
These "delusions" ABOVE are much more prevalent in the Southern States due to lack of racoons. I don't know of to many people in Ohio, Indiana, or Michigan setting feeders out. [/QUOT

lmao, what's so funny is you actually believe that. most all the whining going on about the world hunt going on in Louisianna were from the north making excuses like gators etc., laughable to say the least. still laughing haha. please forgive me i shouldnt poke fun at others misfortunes. Have a great day.

in reply to the dead cast. i have been on few cast where they were dead or dry holed. but i have been on many cast where dogs couldn't tree coon. all i have to do is win my cast. if i tree one coon or ten,,,it doesnt matter. so i guess if your not hunting off feeders your getting screwed lol. i hunt them at times. summers mainly here in southwest georgia. we have lots of gators and i like starting a spring pup on them. other than that keep em. don't need em

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The problems of these feeders and place with thick coon really only poses a problem in bigger hunts! I could care less about buckets the problem is fairness and there will never be a way to police it , 5 people will invest a lot of money and time and hard work getting a place baited up and ready for a big hunt to almost guarantee themselves to tree multiple coons and put up high scores and 95% of the entrants are hunting wherever they can are the guide takes them and for the minimal guide fees there not going to go much out of there way to put any extra into there spots so most peoples onlychance at beating these well known dogs and handlers is. Draw in there casts and beat them !!!!!! And your chances of that are slim on both accounts, no reason for getting upset and frustrated as long as the numbers are where they are at these big hunts ukc will never change nothing they are making bank on the coon hunter and the dogs we choose to hunt have already been ruined enough from people trying to change the dogs to better fit the rules and that's not what it is supposed to be about, if you have a real life coon dawg you are going to win 70% of the cast you enter no matter when or where you enter them if you don't you are looking for a reason other than you didn't prepare them well enough are there are just not capable of winning and you should start over with another prospect! Guys there's very few of us coonhunters left and we are the only ones that can change the hounds and the hunts for the better but we must stick together and first take a good long look in the mirror and be honest with ourselves! Jmo

The point I believe JR is trying to make is this,you drive to a hunt ends up 5 cast,two of these cast are guided on "buckets" the other 3 are not. Fact is unless you get on one of the cast with buckets your chance of a 1st is slim to none.See it around here all the time.All cast may come in plus but 95% of the time the bucket cast WILL have the 1st place. The playing field needs evened,The way to do that in my opinion is the cast win system. X amount of cast wins = Nite Ch same for grand.


OK start screamin LOL

I guided a cast a couple weeks ago for a local club, when they arrived the judge asked me what kinda hunting we would be doin. When I told him that it would be actually hunting, there were no buckets out he said he didn't care but they probably wouldn't have much chance because the other casts were gonna be huntin over feeders. We only treed one coon that night and had one circle tree but the guy that won the cast ended up winning the whole hunt. I was told that the other casts didn't even score a coon. Last summer I went to a hunt where we hunted over feeders, nobody even finished the hunt with plus points, I agree that SOME or more titled hounds would have trouble actually treeing a wild coon but again not everybody hunts over feeders every night so i'm not sure how many of those hounds are actually out there. This is why you hunt the dam and sire of pups before you buy them(if possible) and you always hunt a dog before you buy it. If more people would do this instead of relying on the fact a dog has a title, maybe so many trashy hounds wouldn't have been passed on. JMO

True feeders usually mean easier coons to score, but if you've hunted in enough hunts where feeders are used you should also have noticed you will run and tree more off game, greater percentage you will tree slick, more likely to have dog fights, dogs will run a track backwards etc..... plus everybody claims to have these 100% independent dogs, soooo if your dogs gets deep with a coon then why cry about all these mean, slick treeing bucket dogs.... Also just like Bear posted above, the reason buckets are used so often in ukc is because you are not just competing against your cast, you have to one up every other cast out there.... I hunt feeder buckets in the hunts only because i want to win, if someone wants to make me fill like a lesser person then pull out the benjamins and will take to Management Area

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True feeders usually mean easier coons to score, but if you've hunted in enough hunts where feeders are used you should also have noticed you will run and tree more off game, greater percentage you will tree slick, more likely to have dog fights, dogs will run a track backwards etc..... plus everybody claims to have these 100% independent dogs, soooo if your dogs gets deep with a coon then why cry about all these mean, slick treeing bucket dogs.... Also just like Bear posted above, the reason buckets are used so often in ukc is because you are not just competing against your cast, you have to one up every other cast out there.... I hunt feeder buckets in the hunts only because i want to win, if someone wants to make me fill like a lesser person then pull out the benjamins and will take to Management Area

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Originally posted by JSTARR
What is the difference in dropping on a feeder bucket,and dropping in a corn field?

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Well hunting on buckets I personally do not have any place that I use buckets but if you go to a nite hunt and you are not hunting buckets than your probably not going to win the hunt

And unless they are killing off the possum's I think you have a higher odds treeing one and as far as slick tree the odds are a little higher I think unless they are use the tire feeder that sets out by itself on the ground

But I am just thankful for a guide that can take me hunting with or without buckets

But I pefer to hunt without them but that's just me old fashioned I guess and of course they are illegal here in VA and it can be a pretty steep fine if you are caught using them weather you know they are there are not

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i like to put out feeders in the summer to see whats left out there.but i do some times hunt feeders but if you get me as a guide we will turn loose at least 100 yds or more from the feeder.and allways head a way from them.

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I agree with the Rough Northern. Maybe 'cause me be rough northern.
My travels have also taken me into country like Southern Indiana, and Florida. Not to mention my hot/ cold blooded self was born in Ohio.
For now I reside in Southern Virginia. And 'round here, all the hunts are on buckets. If not, that is a rarity.
Dumping on tall corn is the thing to do in Indiana. And that IS rite, and natural.
Up there one will find straight burners, this I know.
Corn ain't a bucket, think about it...

to all of you i say this dont outlaw buckets dont down corn field hunters. here is a simple way to prove you have a coon dog. make it to where you have to win in three different clubs a least 250 miles apart.

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I myself have no buckets out where I hunt, but have hunted alot of places that did in comp. hunts, it really doesnt matter to me either way
a coon is a coon n if I can get one up out of a farmers barn then do be it. A cornfield msy not be a bucket, but IMO both are like shootin fish in a barrel, if theres coon in the area that's where you will find them.

So I guess to sum it all up, Suck it up princess n put youre big girl panties on....can't win em all, its how the chips fall

This gets beat to death over and over and over....

In the end who really cares? Does the title of GRNTCH really mean that much? Nope. 8 cast wins is really pretty insignificant. On top of that, you aren't the one who has to feed the "counterfeit " grntch... I'm pretty sure that he earned his title the same way all the others did... treeing coon. If he wants a bucket dog he can't leave his backyard with then more power to him. If he gets his rocks off by winning local hunts, why not let him enjoy it? This is a sport that we are supposed to enjoy and have fun at.

I do have a solution though... GET A COONDOG. A coondog is hard to beat whether its on buckets in south carolina or indiana cornfields or Georgia swamps.

I live smack dab in the middle of coon country Indiana and I will put buckets out to start pups. Saying that it takes the track out of them etc... it ridiculous. I don't continue to hunt them on buckets once its time to really pound them but I would bet my left arm it would effect the finished product. I have hunted feeders in some areas that the coon are harder to tree than the wild coons I hunt everynight.

Do I try to run up a score card on buckets? Nope. In fact, walker days was in my backyard last weekend. I placed 3rd ntch Friday night with 725+ and 5th ntch Saturday night with 775+. Those were all real live wild raccoons. Not at any time was I ever jealous of the scores that came in over 12-1300 because the dog I hunted completely destroyed his casts both nights. He scored 1500+ combined and all of the other dogs i drew both nights scored somewhere around 500+ COMBINED. I can walk away with my head held high and not worry about what everyone else is doing or how they are scoring their coons because my dog did exactly what he was supposed to do, get deep and lonely and have 2 looking down. If you are confident in what you are hunting you shouldn't care how someone else finishes their dog or if you draw out together will you be hunting feeders. A coodog trees coon quick and right whether its on buckets, on the river, on a posted hardwood bottom, or in a subdivision. They smell coon, they follow the trail, they locate the tree, they tree the coon. That doesn't change at all because of buckets.

Can we talk about something original now like a rules question, what kind of dog food is the best, or why won't my 7 month old puppy tree? (This is where I roll my eyes.)

But hey... what do I know.

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.what a thread.........................what will the next whine be??..........."hey!!!........that guy has 4 more cornfields to hunt than I do!!"..................unless you are from an area where EVERYONE has several awesome drops, there will always be inequities in the hunts, that's just the way it is..............somebodies gonna get a great guide, alot are not...........feeder buckets or not...........

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Originally posted by coon dawwg
.what a thread.........................what will the next whine be??..........."hey!!!........that guy has 4 more cornfields to hunt than I do!!"..................unless you are from an area where EVERYONE has several awesome drops, there will always be inequities in the hunts, that's just the way it is..............somebodies gonna get a great guide, alot are not...........feeder buckets or not...........

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Originally posted by Nat Thomas
Thank you sir... AND!!! that's coming from the feeder bucket captiol of the world, Georgia!

No one can ever just get beat anymore... there always has to be an excuse... mean dog, buddies, feeder buckets. Suck it up cupcakes. If you get beat on the weekends it means you need to work harder through the week, not complain on a message board about why you think it happened!!!

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Originally posted by coon dawwg
..................I'm not sure whether we are the capitol, Nat....North Carolina might have us beat.............

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Originally posted by Nat Thomas
Nope, Georgia wins. You actually have to have a coon population to be considered for placement so North Carolina is automatically disqualified... although I've turned loose in Georgia at places I'm 100% certain had a negative coon population.

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