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Posted by jackbob42 on 04-22-2012 04:34 AM:

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Originally posted by JiM
Of course not. Why? Because the rule requires the coon to be seen in order to plus it. On the other hand rule 6(k) requires you scratch for running offgame. So if the judge can make the case that the dog ran offgame, as evidenced by the tracks in the snow, the judge must scratch. Just follow the rules.

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Posted by Autumn Clements on 04-22-2012 04:47 AM:

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Originally posted by T Felderman
I dont know the correct answer. But there is a big difference between a dog that ran through wet "skunky" grass and a dog you cant stand by.

agreed.. I have no problem getting scratch if my dog smells badly of skunk or the ones I like the dog goes in bays something and comes back smelling badly of skunk

quote:
Originally posted by The Seeker
And we would be headed back to the club house and the MOH. If the MOH knew the UKC rules, I would be back hunting, if it was my dog. This is why people think they get cheated. They don't question a call in the woods and a couple days later they find out their dog was scratched or minused wrongly and tell ever one I GOT CHEATED. YOU ARE NOT A POOR SPORT IF YOU QUESTION A CALL YOU THINK IS WRONG.

I have never been in the skunk situation with my own dog in a hunt(acttually dont think i've been more then a spectator when any of the situations come up) but I have been scratched for off game twice neither time we acttually seen my dog on either. One I picked him off from under a coon with the side of his face full of quills and the other he was clean clear leaving the country on a deer. Judge told me I was scratch that was that. I didnt feel cheated, it was only right the dog did the crime. But then again thats me not you.

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Posted by Rip on 04-22-2012 06:29 AM:

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Originally posted by Autumn Clements
agreed.. I have no problem getting scratch if my dog smells badly of skunk or the ones I like the dog goes in bays something and comes back smelling badly of skunk

I have never been in the skunk situation with my own dog in a hunt(acttually dont think i've been more then a spectator when any of the situations come up) but I have been scratched for off game twice neither time we acttually seen my dog on either. One I picked him off from under a coon with the side of his face full of quills and the other he was clean clear leaving the country on a deer. Judge told me I was scratch that was that. I didnt feel cheated, it was only right the dog did the crime. But then again thats me not you.

Autumn, these message boards are a little difficult sometimes. It's hard to get a point across and easy to mislead or misundersand things. What he is saying is UKC's OFFICIAL position, written in black and white, is a dog does NOT get scratched for smelling like a skunk.

So if you do scratch a dog for smelling like a skunk, regardless of how you feel about it, you are violating UKC rules.

That's what he was getting at I believe.

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Posted by Bob Hennessey on 04-22-2012 04:11 PM:

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Originally posted by Rip
Autumn, these message boards are a little difficult sometimes. It's hard to get a point across and easy to mislead or misundersand things. What he is saying is UKC's OFFICIAL position, written in black and white, is a dog does NOT get scratched for smelling like a skunk.

So if you do scratch a dog for smelling like a skunk, regardless of how you feel about it, you are violating UKC rules.

That's what he was getting at I believe.

YES.
I am a MOH and the rules are clear on this. No scratch. You can't follow only the rules you want to. As a master of hounds I get questions that are clearly written on the back of the card, but the cast didn't follow them because they voted. One of the worst ones is, the dogs were struck but not pushing the track (Boo Hooing) for some reason so they voted to call time out and circle the points cause they were wasting time. You can call time out in this situation but it's MINUS. If you are going to hunt UKC you have to follow their rules. I don't agree with some either, but I have to enforce them if not followed.

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Posted by Autumn Clements on 04-22-2012 06:00 PM:

There was a thread a couple years ago similar to this as previously stated, I believe UKCs take on off game wasnt acttually seeing it but using common sense.

Posted by Jake Appel on 04-22-2012 07:56 PM:

Last fall I witnessed a young dog working a track in a thicket. As he tracked past a brush pile a skunk blasted him in the face. He sneezed for awhile and then went back on track and treed the coon. I had seen the coon run out of a corn patch and where it went so I know thats what he was trailing. When I got to the tree I couldnt stand next to him because he stunk so bad. He did nothing wrong and did exactly what he is supposed to do. How would you scratch if this is a possible scenario?

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Posted by Rip on 04-22-2012 11:02 PM:

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Originally posted by Autumn Clements
There was a thread a couple years ago similar to this as previously stated, I believe UKCs take on off game wasnt acttually seeing it but using common sense.

Yes you are right in that you absolutely do NOT have to see off game to scratch for off game in a UKC hunt. It is the judges call and you are to use common sense just like you say.

But they have also had a specific advisor that stated dogs are not to be scratched for smelling like a skunk so they covered that one specifically.

As always, if you as a judge determine they were molesting the skunk then you would be correct to scratch them, but it would have to be more than smelling like a skunk.

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Posted by Dentre on 04-25-2012 12:46 AM:

Now I know

Thanks guys who ever answered my question. That's why I asked them so I can learn. Remember we was only pleasure hunting. In a real UKC hunt I would have been SCRATCHED, but not for the SKUNK smell but for the wooping I would put on my dog in the hunt. I think it's called handling of the dog.

Posted by Dan Dogs on 04-25-2012 12:55 AM:

Re: Now I know

quote:
Originally posted by Dentre
Thanks guys who ever answered my question. That's why I asked them so I can learn. Remember we was only pleasure hunting. In a real UKC hunt I would have been SCRATCHED, but not for the SKUNK smell but for the wooping I would put on my dog in the hunt. I think it's called handling of the dog.

Poor Buddy. he was probably standing in front of the skunk, trying to protect him from the other dogs..LOL

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