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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-19-2012 06:09 PM:

Well its one of those things that's hard to just sit here and type about. I mean what if B and C were nothing but running fools? What if they blew right through the woods or trailed a deer or fox out across a road?

To me, the sportsman thing to do would be to take a few minutes to score As tree then help try to gather the dogs up.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-19-2012 06:13 PM:

Re: Re: my two cents

quote:
Originally posted by jackbob42
I believe the advisor trumps the rulebook.
The dogs tree "must" be scored.
In my opinion , time out is called and handlers go to their dogs. Whoever is at the tree after the hour , scores the tree.
If the other handlers choose not to go to the tree , no complaining about how it's scored.
If the other handlers don't come back then go to clubhouse , after scoring , for another judge.

Yep, I don't see how anyone could not be happy with that. Some people still amaze me though. LOL

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Posted by StrawberryMt on 04-19-2012 06:15 PM:

Re: Re: my two cents

quote:
Originally posted by jackbob42
I believe the advisor trumps the rulebook.
The dogs tree "must" be scored.
In my opinion , time out is called and handlers go to their dogs. Whoever is at the tree after the hour , scores the tree.
If the other handlers choose not to go to the tree , no complaining about how it's scored.
If the other handlers don't come back then go to clubhouse , after scoring , for another judge.

This would not be an option. One person can never score a tree and a cast cannot appoint whoever they want as a judge. Once a cast becomes a one dog cast that person must return and have a judge appointed.So you would be much better off allowing them to try and gather their dogs than to be a jerk and they withdraw. You could say well i'll have them wrote up for refusing to score a tree,but i don't believe it would ever fly over a dogs safety.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-19-2012 06:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Here's the question you have to ask yourself. Is my ($$$$$$$) dog worth getting killed over a 15 or 20 dollar hunt? Each and everytime you turn your dog loose you risk it getting on a road.

That's the spirit! Well mine got by a road and even though yours is in there treed like a dog is supposed to heck with your tree! I mean what did we think we entered when we signed up a nite hunt? LOL

What makes you think your dog is treeing. Your dog is one of the ones down by the road.
Come back here...........don't run get it..........shouldn't be there in the first place.............it went after the wrong coon........LOL

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-19-2012 06:18 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
Left one out. Go by the rules and call time out. I wish people like you cracked me up.

Grady i'm trying to help you here but your making it very hard! Timout WAS CALLED!!!! But A DOG WAS TREED BEFORE TIMEOUT WAS CALLED therefore it HAS TO BE SCORED!

If UKC wishes to in this case, allow the other 2 an hour to come back to As tree to score it then that's the way I will do it. However I surely don't htink that's how they want it done. They want B and C to score As tree then from that point get their dogs.

Can you imagine being the handler for A and B and C never coming back to score the tree? WOW what a raw deal for A.

Posted by StrawberryMt on 04-19-2012 06:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1

Can you imagine being the handler for A and B and C never coming back to score the tree? WOW what a raw deal for A. [/B]

Can you imagine being the handler of a and pitching a fit so b and c walk a 1/2 hour into ole "deep and lonely" for a circle tree,then walking another half hour back to the rigs to drive around and finding b and c smeared on the road.Now who got the raw deal?

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-19-2012 06:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by StrawberryMt
Can you imagine being the handler of a and pitching a fit so b and c walk a 1/2 hour into ole "deep and lonely" for a circle tree,then walking another half hour back to the rigs to drive around and finding b and c smeared on the road.Now who got the raw deal?

We can do this all day Travis. As I said already you run the RISK of getting by a road EVERYTIME you unsnap that dog.

Few get hit, very very few. Even in my parts and I have roads everywhere.

In all truthfulness be it yours or mine in there treed I will walk in and score your tree. Pi$$ on my dog if he feels the need to be running around roads. And trust me my young english has no fear of pavement.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-19-2012 07:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Grady i'm trying to help you here but your making it very hard! Timout WAS CALLED!!!! But A DOG WAS TREED BEFORE TIMEOUT WAS CALLED therefore it HAS TO BE SCORED!

If UKC wishes to in this case, allow the other 2 an hour to come back to As tree to score it then that's the way I will do it. However I surely don't htink that's how they want it done. They want B and C to score As tree then from that point get their dogs.

Can you imagine being the handler for A and B and C never coming back to score the tree? WOW what a raw deal for A.

Yes it has to be scored BUT not before the otrher guys go get there dogs. Just go set at the tree with your dog for an hour and if they arent back score your tree and go to the truck.
Your dog stays safe and gets scored. They have a chance to get there dogs. All should be happy.

Posted by Kenneth Tavares on 04-19-2012 07:57 PM:

Time is called you got 1 hour to get your dog, then we can score mine!

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Tone it down guys, or they will delete another good topic...

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-19-2012 07:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Kenneth Tavares
Time is called you got 1 hour to get your dog, then we can score mine!

So again for the 10th time what do you do if they never come back? This is exactly why this is not the way to do it.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-19-2012 08:26 PM:

You call time in, score your tree, scratch the others and go to the club house and get you a judge. Then go out and finish your hunt.

Posted by GA DAWG on 04-19-2012 08:33 PM:

LoL Okie I like the way your thinking here!

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Posted by john Duemmer on 04-19-2012 08:35 PM:

I am not gattin someones dog killed to score a tree, Guess how i reacted would depend where we were in relation to the tree, how far the out of pocket dogs were and how they got there.
Any responsible hunter would withdraw to catch their dog if they were likely to get smacked on the road, so if B and C withdraw because A insists his tree should be scored first hes probably not gettin those points anyway because he cant score that tree alone.

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Posted by Randy Howard on 04-19-2012 08:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
How do you figure? Dog a gets handled and tied back the other two gets caught and handled. Then you go score the tree. You don't call time in till you get back to the tree.

Sounds right to me, and like someone else said if they are that close to the road 9 out of 10 they will already be across. but if you call time out those dogs will have deleted points Rule 5 (d). and 8 (h) Dogs declared treed before time out will be scored. Wont most men come back to finish hunt before hour and score a's tree? Stinks for A to have to tie and wait but thats the rules right?? surely one of the 2 would come back to hunt surely both didn't get smeared all over the road. THANK GOODNESS THIS DOESN"T HAPPEN OFTEN! OR DOES IT? maybe need to bring along a spectator and let him go fetch ole road dog while I help this man shine his tree 1st.??What a mess LOL

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-19-2012 08:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
LoL Okie I like the way your thinking here!

Your there, might as well shine it before you leave. If both others left all you can do is go back to the MOH and if he gives you your tree points great. If not that is the breaks.
But I have seen stranger things happen. LOL

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 04-19-2012 11:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Don't blame me for dogs getting on the road! Blame the guide or blame your dog for going by coon!

dont blame the guide you had a vote before you un snapped

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-19-2012 11:53 PM:

Lee you got to blame someone becouse if you don't it just leaves Hoosier Boy being a sorry sport and person as far as I can see. LOL

Posted by Bob Hennessey on 04-20-2012 12:00 AM:

Reading all these posts. I got a question. What if the dogs moving toward the road have a coon going and the dog treed is a slick treeing Idiot and you decide that you all have to check the dog treed first and the tree is slick and the other two dogs get hit on the road while you are checking the slick treeing idiot. Go back to the club house and get into an argument and all three get in a fight punches are thrown and all three get arrested and end up in jail and get barred from UKC. Hows that for a WHAT IF?

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-20-2012 01:11 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by The Seeker
Reading all these posts. I got a question. What if the dogs moving toward the road have a coon going and the dog treed is a slick treeing Idiot and you decide that you all have to check the dog treed first and the tree is slick and the other two dogs get hit on the road while you are checking the slick treeing idiot. Go back to the club house and get into an argument and all three get in a fight punches are thrown and all three get arrested and end up in jail and get barred from UKC. Hows that for a WHAT IF?

LMAO..........Yep that is a good one........................

Posted by Randy Howard on 04-20-2012 04:18 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
LMAO..........Yep that is a good one........................

How about stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes for about 2 minutes then go on huntin

Posted by l.lyle on 04-20-2012 04:53 AM:

If you are worried ? What is wrong with just scratching your dog? I realize I don't know the finer points of the rules but I have Comp hunted some. I was hunting a young dog and they struck and in 20 seconds I knew it was a deer and he was in on it too. I said scratch my dog and the judge asked why it might just be a minus. I said you cannot tear a dogs ass up in a hunt and that's what I'm fixing to do. The three of them convincing themselves its a coon. I caught mine a mile away in 5 minutes on a frontage road just before I -95 and got my hands on him. I was busy and did not interfere. Should I have? One dog got creamed. Maybe I could have cut them off. This was even before trackers came out that we knew about.

Posted by Rip on 04-20-2012 05:05 AM:

Re: my two cents

quote:
Originally posted by RBB-SCOTT
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JiM
[B]Trees are always scored if the dog is treed while the clock is running. There is no exception to that in the rule book. They get called treed, they get scored.

First off let me say the Advisor covers this very scenario on pg 64 referenced earlier. The Advisor says clearly that the dog that was declared treed must be scored and then begin the 1 hour to go and handle the other dogs. The Advisor also mentions the fact that the dog declared treed is eligible for scoring even though time out was called because the dog was declared treed prior to time out being called.

Here's my question/comment..
Rule 5 points will be deleted (d)if judge has to call time out in accordance with Rule 8.
Rule 8 Time Out (a)when dogs are getting on highway, trail onto posted land or trail into a place where there is danger to dogs or hunters.

Seems like to me the strike & tree points for Dog A in this scenario (and the one in the Advisor) should be deleted. Right? Is there another rule that overides this thinking?

No, you don't delete any points for a dog that was declared treed BEFORE the time out was called. That dog must be scored.

You only delete the points of the dogs in danger that you have to catch.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-20-2012 07:41 AM:

Re: my two cents

quote:
Originally posted by RBB-SCOTT
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JiM
[B]Trees are always scored if the dog is treed while the clock is running. There is no exception to that in the rule book. They get called treed, they get scored.

First off let me say the Advisor covers this very scenario on pg 64 referenced earlier. The Advisor says clearly that the dog that was declared treed must be scored and then begin the 1 hour to go and handle the other dogs. The Advisor also mentions the fact that the dog declared treed is eligible for scoring even though time out was called because the dog was declared treed prior to time out being called.

Here's my question/comment..
Rule 5 points will be deleted (d)if judge has to call time out in accordance with Rule 8.
Rule 8 Time Out (a)when dogs are getting on highway, trail onto posted land or trail into a place where there is danger to dogs or hunters.

Seems like to me the strike & tree points for Dog A in this scenario (and the one in the Advisor) should be deleted. Right? Is there another rule that overides this thinking?

You would delete b and c's points but you score a's tree becouse it was treed before time was called.

Posted by Cry Tough Blues on 04-21-2012 01:11 AM:

if people would just follow the rules instead of trying to interpret them to fit their particular situation the nite hunts would have alot more qualified judges. its unfortunate but this is the downfall to the nite hunts. sounds to me like way to many are judging that dont know the rules.

how can anyone expect an answer to these "scenario's' when all those they are asking weren't even there. this is just one guys take on it. i mean how close was the road? 100 yards or 1/2 mile.
we can throw all the what ifs around we want.

Posted by smokin-1-mo on 04-21-2012 06:21 AM:

LIKE IT OUR NOT BY THE RULES I THINK THERE ARE 2 OPTIONS...SCORE TREE THEN CALL TIME OUT OUR WITHDRAW AND GO GET YOUR DOG....I THINK BY THE RULES THE TREE HAS TO BE SCORED BEFORE TIME OUT IS CALLED.......

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