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Posted by John Book on 02-27-2012 05:16 PM:

I have scored over a thousand prob about 10 times in my life. The Highest score with Gr Nt Ch Windy Hills Dizzy with 1275 in the state of Iowa. But the most memorable one was at Autum Oaks with Gr Nt Ch Middle Creak Knot Head. We spent the first hour listening to a corn field race & finally Knot Head slipped out & treed. the second hour I accumalated total of 1100+ no minus no circle. was National Treeing Walker I didn't go to no waffle house either. There is going to be a coon there before my dog gets plus points. So I sit here & think if the first hour would have went like the second what kind of score would I have had? Oh yes I failed to mention the last hour was only 2 dogs left in the cast.

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 02-27-2012 05:27 PM:

I live in a nice coon population.

1200 to 2000 points get scored like this.

Dog A B C D. Cut loose, one of them tree and all the other jump on the wagon real quick. Now it's already pre determined that a coon is getting plussed before shinning the tree.

Load them up and go somewhere else. Re peat process 8-10 times.

If one dog is causing trouble and not packing up with the other 3 scratch it for running a fox/deer.

There you have it directly from hoosier man on the recipe for a 1200-2000 plus point cast win

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Posted by Cheyenne on 02-27-2012 05:30 PM:

hoosier man 1 , i have heard of this happening !

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Posted by josh on 02-27-2012 05:46 PM:

A phony score is a phony score weather its 900 or 1900.

Years ago everyone questioned anything over 900.

Im not about to defend the score of any cast Im not on and dont see, but Im not sure Im ready to disbelieve anything over a certain number either.

No doubt it takes some luck, and some guys seem to get more than their share of luck.

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Posted by LUKE SOLMES on 02-27-2012 05:52 PM:

A few years ago I went to a hunt up here in ontario and only 5 dogs showed up. I drew the cast of 2 dogs. The other guy was guide and had some of the thickest coon id ever seen. his dog was very fast to get open and i took 2nd strike every drop but first tree with his dog fast to cover. No leaves on and coon were found almost instantly. they were treed so fast and close we were hardly using 5 mins per drop. After 70 mins he withdrew his dog which gave me 50 mins to hunt on my own. i know got some 1st strikes but had to wait the full 5 to go to tree so we burnt up a little more time. The last couple drops we were actually looking for area with big stretches of open feilds for dog to cross before the timber to burn up more time cause we didnt think anyone at the club would belive the score if it got any higher. ended up with 1925+.
My point is this was the perfect scenario to run up a huge score, and I dont know the situation in sum of these big hunts but I will never argue a huge score because I have seen under the right circumstances it is very possible and does happen.

Posted by SMH on 02-27-2012 06:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
You scored this?

Break down the 1800 cast score for me?

No I didn't even have a dog there I was spectating on the hunts I think Scott has the score card or a copy of I'll get him to email it to me and I'll post so you can see the break down.It was cool to see that many coons treed in two hours though.

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Posted by SMH on 02-27-2012 07:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
I suppose your the guy that would defend a 2,000 plus point score as well.

Friend, the line has to be drawn somewhere.

If I'm not mistaken Russ Bellars get ahead lil red dog had around 2100 plus at orangeburg one year

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 02-27-2012 07:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by SMH
If I'm not mistaken Russ Bellars get ahead lil red dog had around 2100 plus at orangeburg one year

I suppose I could put anything on a scorecard. Doesn't make it the least bit credible.

Posted by SMH on 02-27-2012 07:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Mullins
All the idiots defending these scores are the same guys that fill there scorecards out at the wafflehouse. Come on are you people that dumb to think you can justify an 1800 point score? There would be some serious follow the leader goin on to accomplish anything close to that. But thats about all u see in ukc anymore is a bunch of me tooin pack dogs that couldnt tree there own coon if they had to

I never said any of my dogs have done it but it is possible.Just because you don't have enough dog power to get it done don't accuse those that do of cheating.

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Posted by Cowboyred on 02-27-2012 08:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Its sad to know that a 800-900 plus point cast win will pretty much get you nothing in these large events. And a 800 score IS NOT EASY let aone a 1200 or 1300 score. Like I said alot of guys pretty much plus every tree they walk to knowing that they have to beat 50 or 60 other dogs in their class.

I love how everyone says how easy it is yet they have never scored even close to that. I have been hunting in the hunts for some time now and drew some really nice dogs in UKC and PKC. Never seen a score over 1,000.

Once I see it a few times and see it done honestly I will be a believer.

I guided a cast of Nite Chs 2 weeks ago. 3 dog cast and all were packing the whole night. We hit 9 woods and I won it with 875 plus and 400 circle.

This time of year you better expect 1 out of 8 trees to be a den. 4 of the 5 coon we scored on were in dens. Females are moving very little.

If your 400 circle would have been plus instead, you too could be a member of the 1000+ club with 1275+.

Posted by smokin-1-mo on 02-27-2012 08:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by SMH
I never said any of my dogs have done it but it is possible.Just because you don't have enough dog power to get it done don't accuse those that do of cheating.

ARE YOU SURE IT IS DOG POWER A GUY NEEDS ENOUGH OF!!!! YOU BEING FROM S.C. ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU HAVE NOT SCORED THIS BEFORE.....IF IT WAS A 2 NIGHT TOTAL I MIGHT BITE BUT LIKE I SAID I HAVE HUNTED ALL OF THE BIG SHOWS AND NEVER SEEN IT NEVER...ODD HOW THE SCORES ARE BIGGER ON SATURDAY NIGHT OVER FRIDAY ALSO.....

Posted by JiM on 02-27-2012 09:45 PM:

Chuck, 266 hunted Friday and 239 hunted Saturday night at an event that took 1750 to win. That takes it out of the realm of being a skill event and turns it into nothing more than an all out crapshoot. If you feel lucky, take your best shot.
I have never been able to understand the attraction of these types of events but 500 and some coonhunters were attracted to it so there is something there that brings them in. Maybe it's just the camaraderie, the kind of thing that brings so many to the Kentucky Derby, they sure ain't all there for the horse race. Whatever it is, when it comes to a serious competition, it's gonna have to be a cast by cast elimination event for me or I'll pass. I'm just not much of a gambler.
These events are great for our sport simply because of the numbers they generate. As for the scores, who cares. Most of us weren't even there and the ones that were knew what they were involved in.

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Posted by SMH on 02-27-2012 10:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by smokin-1-mo
ARE YOU SURE IT IS DOG POWER A GUY NEEDS ENOUGH OF!!!! YOU BEING FROM S.C. ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU HAVE NOT SCORED THIS BEFORE.....IF IT WAS A 2 NIGHT TOTAL I MIGHT BITE BUT LIKE I SAID I HAVE HUNTED ALL OF THE BIG SHOWS AND NEVER SEEN IT NEVER...ODD HOW THE SCORES ARE BIGGER ON SATURDAY NIGHT OVER FRIDAY ALSO.....

No my dogs have never scored this nor have I seen scores close to this in my area.I think the highest I've ever seen out of any of our local clubs was 875.500 to 575 is pretty common on a Friday or Saturday night hunt.

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Posted by Jim Hill on 02-27-2012 10:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by SMH
If I'm not mistaken Russ Bellars get ahead lil red dog had around 2100 plus at orangeburg one year

ya they prob hunted her in the coon pen

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Posted by patches9452 on 02-27-2012 10:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jim Hill
ya they prob hunted her in the coon pen

have you ever hunted in his pen... if so you know the answer to that... probably one of the hardest places there is to tree a coon

Posted by DERICK GOLDMAN on 02-27-2012 11:16 PM:

i have scored 1000+ one time, that was in early march in southern indiana and we never turned loose on a bucket all night. I am not getting into any pissing contest, I was just stating what i had read. I wasnt on the cast either night, and im not defending the score, but im not bashing it either. i find it hard to belive that a guy could convince the whole cast two nights in a row to fix the card.

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Posted by jvaught on 02-27-2012 11:16 PM:

LOL LOL

Thick coon big scores pretty much like a child hunting isn't it . Turn dogs lose don't have to hunt ...tree while peeing lol lol ?? guys in cast shining trees seeing eyes looks like Xmas lol lol . .ole blue is a coon dog they say .....but coon are in trees begging to be treed .....please tree me the coon will say being plenty to chose from he wants his turn .. Owners pet ole blue good job blue . Blues walk out there another 10 ft strike trees.......... ole blue is fast on track owners say but didn't go 10 ft........... he is a track dog another bragging on his hound ......lol lol

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Posted by GA DAWG on 02-27-2012 11:56 PM:

I'll just go ahead an tell yall. If you see me post a score like that from around here. I cheated somehow or another.

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Posted by bluetickman2002 on 02-28-2012 12:18 AM:

Re: LOL LOL

quote:
Originally posted by jvaught
Thick coon big scores pretty much like a child hunting isn't it . Turn dogs lose don't have to hunt ...tree while peeing lol lol ?? guys in cast shining trees seeing eyes looks like Xmas lol lol . .ole blue is a coon dog they say .....but coon are in trees begging to be treed .....please tree me the coon will say being plenty to chose from he wants his turn .. Owners pet ole blue good job blue . Blues walk out there another 10 ft strike trees.......... ole blue is fast on track owners say but didn't go 10 ft........... he is a track dog another bragging on his hound ......lol lol

nope sometimes ol blue is dropped where the coon are thin

that is when he finds an old track gets it movin and trees a mile deep with the meat while the rest pull up short and just settle for treeing a tree LOL

Posted by smokin-1-mo on 02-28-2012 12:49 AM:

JIM...ONCE AGAIN I GUESS YOU ARE RIGHT....

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