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I think the main problem with buckets is the fact people want to cut right on top of them. I have used buckets for hunts, training pups, and just to keep coons in the area. One thing about my buckets versus most were the fact a dog had plenty of room to run before they ever got to the bucket. I had one spot where the bucket was close and the rest of them were a decent distance away. The good thing about buckets in thin coon is the "holding'' factor. Keeps them within a decent distance but not always. I have treed beside the bucket and over a mile away. My dogs hunted the same if they were on buckets or not, wide open, strike, and get treed with a coon somewhere. I think alot of people have a big misconception on buckets. They don't always hold coon, half the time the track you hit is an older track they have to work to tree, and if they are hunted regular the coons get smart and your dog has to get even smarter. These are for buckets in thin coon. I have guided and had guys all excited about hunting buckets. They just didn't realize how far away the buckets were or that these coons got hunted regular and were not easy pop ups. I agree that it is not a gene thing it is more of a trained in thing. The thing is if a dog doesn't have the drive they are not going to tree a coon period and if they don't have that little something extra they won't ever be a coondog, they will just be a coonhound.

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Originally posted by Rip
It may be artificial hunting to you guys with thick coon but a bucket coon in thin coon will run farther and be more challenging than a "wild" coon in thick coon.

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Originally posted by ghosthunter50
i think u hit it right on this rip, most of my bucket races are good ones. it takes a decent dog to even tree a bucket coon in some of these steep mtns with laurel thickets and clear cuts, nothing like a corn field in flat country. so i ould take real hound vs a bucket hound anyday. buckets should be used with mostly with young dogs and pups.

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Originally posted by ghosthunter50
i think u hit it right on this rip, most of my bucket races are good ones. it takes a decent dog to even tree a bucket coon in some of these steep mtns with laurel thickets and clear cuts, nothing like a corn field in flat country. so i ould take real hound vs a bucket hound anyday. buckets should be used with mostly with young dogs and pups.

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BUCKETS...=1750+...WOW HE MUST OF HAD ALOT OF BUCKETS...

Yall don't think none of us bucket hunters have been up north hunting? Come on down here before the 29th of this month. I'll cut you loose on some wild thin coon. You'll be begging to hit a bucket after that. Don't come with one that's afraid of the dark though. Even with buckets they might have to go a mile. If I had plenty of coon like Jim. I wouldn't feed em either. It gets old cutting loose and then just trying to catch dogs up.Atleast with a bucket we can hear em strike. It might suck hunting where we do but we still like to hunt.

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Luck of the draw, A true coondog will beat a bucket dog. After a drop or 2 that coondog will pack up with the bucket dog because they realize that dog knows were to hit the hot tracks. That coondog will then just take the tracks away from the bucket dog. And all those great get alone indepedant track dogs are just S.O.L. things just happen too fast for them to have a chance. You just have to hope they withdraw so they don't ruin your hunt and keep your score down. Yes buckets do suck in the hunts cause if you don't draw a bucket guide you can foreget about winning the whole thing.

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Yall don't think none of us bucket hunters have been up north hunting? Come on down here before the 29th of this month. I'll cut you loose on some wild thin coon. You'll be begging to hit a bucket after that. Don't come with one that's afraid of the dark though. Even with buckets they might have to go a mile. If I had plenty of coon like Jim. I wouldn't feed em either. It gets old cutting loose and then just trying to catch dogs up.Atleast with a bucket we can hear em strike. It might suck hunting where we do but we still like to hunt.

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GA DAWG

Maybee some of them men up north would come down here and bring some of them WILD coons these feeder bucket coons I got quit doing anything, gotta kick them out of the way just to put the feed out, now that is tame coons, and by the way bring a real dog with them this thing I got the BATTERIES in dun quit working. I JUST WISH SOME OF THESE HUNTERS HAD TO HUNT THE SPOTS I GOTTA HUNT EVERY NIGHT. In 6 counties around me there has not been a rowe crop planted in the last 10 years NOW you tell me about feeder bucket. Going on 70 yoa hunted all my life but things have changed, we don't hardly ever shoot out a coon dont have but a few. Dang don't know why I get cought up in post like this. In closing let me say this to you men up in the cold country let me take up my buckets and come on down and see what YOU got the weather is good and these TAME coons want run far if you can STRIKE one. GA DAWG you can come and listen I know we would get a kick out of this want be much barking out them dogs but a lot of talking from the handlers.WHERE THE CORN FIELDS in the sack at the house.

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Originally posted by Tully
I'm not bashing people with a bucket or 2 hanging to give a pup or young dog a place to get struck, but after they're doing it you quit feeding the coons. I know several people that do, and it works great for them.

Thick coon don't mean a whole heck of a lot up here this time of year anyway, because the dang coon are denned up tighter than heck. Rut has pretty well tapered off to where you see very little movement right now. Any time it gets below 15-20 degrees, and it's not rut, we have THIN coon too. I don't quit hunting when it gets cold, I don't quit when it gets hot. I just think it's funny when folks make comments implying it doesn't take a dog to tree coon year around up here just because we have more coon, cause there's plenty of nights where a dog has to go deep to get struck here too. Now does a guy want to talk about tracking conditions on frozen ground after the frost has settled over the tracks, crusted snow like razor blades on their feet, and ice, well take a guess how well scent hangs onto ice.

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Getting struck is only 1/4 of the battle. This time of year getting something done with that track is 3/4 of it lol.

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Buckets aren't some evil thing, I can understand using them as training aid and I can understand the need to use something to draw and hold coons in areas where coons are tough to come by. The evil of buckets is when winning a hunt REQUIRES a system of hitting spots where ever drop is on a constantly maintained bucket and prehunting a dog on those buckets night after night in preparation for that event. That isn't a level playing field and it isn't fair chase.Think it doesn't happen?

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KEEP HERING HOW THIN THE COON ARE IN GEORGIA THEN HOW WONDERFUL THE HUNTING IS AT THE WINTER CLASSICS....DONT MAKE SENCE TO ME.....YOUR GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE UP YOUR MIND IT IS EITHER GOOD OUR IT SUCKS...


RIVER BURC HOUNDS THATS NOT TRUE EITHER A TRUE COONDOG IS NOT LOOKIN TO PACK WITH ANYTHING ,NO MATTER HOW MANY DROPS YOU MAKE......

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KEEP HERING HOW THIN THE COON ARE IN GEORGIA THEN HOW WONDERFUL THE HUNTING IS AT THE WINTER CLASSICS....DONT MAKE SENCE TO ME.....YOUR GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE UP YOUR MIND IT IS EITHER GOOD OUR IT SUCKS...


RIVER BURC HOUNDS THATS NOT TRUE EITHER A TRUE COONDOG IS NOT LOOKIN TO PACK WITH ANYTHING ,NO MATTER HOW MANY DROPS YOU MAKE......

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Well i got a question whats the best way to break dogs off buckets im hunting a 11 month old dog. that is treeing coons and ive been shooting them out to her. And now she is getting lazy i think and running to where the bucket is and if she doesnt smell anything she runs around a little bit then comes back and then sometimes i guess there will be so much scent on or around the bucket she becomes a TREE CRAZY FOOL treeing all the trees around the bucket and yes she is a walker dog. and they are tree crazy i know. She hasnt gotten no depth about her yet she runs in 1-300 yards hunts a few min then comes back. She has only hunted by her self since she was a pup. So im in need what should i do?

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Originally posted by Slo Motion23
Well i got a question whats the best way to break dogs off buckets im hunting a 11 month old dog. that is treeing coons and ive been shooting them out to her. And now she is getting lazy i think and running to where the bucket is and if she doesnt smell anything she runs around a little bit then comes back and then sometimes i guess there will be so much scent on or around the bucket she becomes a TREE CRAZY FOOL treeing all the trees around the bucket and yes she is a walker dog. and they are tree crazy i know. She hasnt gotten no depth about her yet she runs in 1-300 yards hunts a few min then comes back. She has only hunted by her self since she was a pup. So im in need what should i do?

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Both nights i drew out on buckets. I will not complain about that but i will complain about putting me on top of them to cut loose and having babbling dogs steal stike points. I hunt mostly wild coon in WV and wasnt ready for the bucket country. As for the scores, friday i drew out Daniel Wilson and he won with 450+. By the way what a nice young hound he is handleing and Daniel is as good as they get, hats off to him. Realy enjoyed myself hunting with him. Last night i withdrew the cast with 15 min to go and a guy leading with 387 1/2. NOW!!!! 1750+ thats impressive for that country thats all im saying. Still scratching my head.

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OK i have a ? i start some of my young dogs off of feeders can someone on here please tell where all this stuff about wild coon and bucket coon come from myself i have never been to one of these tame bucket coon and pet them from what i can see their all wild coon. tjhe only thing with buckets is don't trun loose on top of them. come on all the coon are wild unless you know somthing i don't and i been coon hunting a long time. Don't need no smart A$$ Remarks. this is just a ?

I agree with that but turning in the wild a dog has to use its nose alot better than turning on a bucket were you know there is a hot coon sitting on it. It doesnt take much for a hound to pop up a hot coon.

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What you guys aren't understanding is that in thin coon, and I am talking about thin coon not what some people think are thin coon, you DON'T know you are gonna get a race off the bucket much less a hot race.

The coon are just that thin in places. I don't have a bucket out, only put one out in my life but the one I did put out was for a pup in what is really thin coon. It took 2 weeks to get 1 solitary coon eating out of that bucket and even at that he wasn't there but once every 2-3 nights.

That's thin coon. When your coon are that thin they don't hang around the bucket like they do in other places. They don't get there at the same time every night and they sure don't pop up a tree. They run. They run becuase they may be a long way from home just know where the bucket is.

It's a different world when the places you have to hunt the dog is more likely to be out of hearing before it strikes than in hearing.

About the only thing a bucket does in that area is make it more likely to get a strike in hearing.

It does increase the odds of getting on a coon, but that's about it. You will still have lots of out of hearing strikes on buckets in thin coon, just not nearly as many as you would have had without the bucket.

I am very thankful I don't live in thin coon like that any more. Course when I did I didn't put out buckets but I didn't see anything wrong with it. Hunted with plenty of friends that did have buckets there. You better have a dog that is willing to hunt hard for an hour or so without a strike there even with the buckets, and you better have a tracker cause half the time you don't hear the race you just turn the tracker on cause they been gone too long and they are treed out of hearing somewhere.

That's the life of hunting in thin coon. It takes a go yonder dog to get it done there, but I'm glad I hunt thick coon now LOL.

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