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Posted by Hopkins/Lipper on 01-02-2012 01:26 PM:

Late Bloomers..

quote:
Originally posted by adlj
Thank you Mr. Hopkins, this is exactly the type of info. I'm looking for. I believe Pac-Man won some pretty big stuff at an early age, so it would be logical to assume he started early, probably some others too. Do you know of any that were so-called late bloomers that went on to make top winning hounds?

Adlj... My answer would be no. From my personal
experience , late bloomers don't live at my
house long enough to bloom... JMO.

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Posted by adlj on 01-02-2012 06:32 PM:

Thanks, That's kinda the way I figured it. I guess if any of those other guys had a late starter at stud or possible future stud they'd never admit it. lol

Posted by Mike Van Dusen on 01-02-2012 07:02 PM:

I have had both late starteres, and early starters.
My experience is all dogs don't start exactly the same time, each dog is different.
But I like a dog, when it does start, to know alot, I mean if it is 6 months old, or 12 months old, when the light bulb goes off, to treecoons and know what they are doing,do what they were bred to do not have to be carried to the woods 30 times and everything they do is like takin baby steps.
I look for the pup to give me signs that they are ready, then take them and let them turn" IT "on.
Each pup is different, but some bloodlines carry some traits, and mature faster, but some individuals are exceptions to the rules.

Some early starters, by the time they are 18 months old have a hole in them you can drive a truck through,and some late starters , by the time they are 18 months old, are coondogs.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 01-02-2012 10:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by adlj
Thanks, That's kinda the way I figured it. I guess if any of those other guys had a late starter at stud or possible future stud they'd never admit it. lol

I notice the one asking men to say the good or bad about hounds doesn't sighn his name. LOL
Tom I beleive that Insane Jane was the youngest to win world too wasn't she? She had to be an early starter. That is going to make some killer pups between her and Lipper. Killer becouse there are a lot of us that would kill to get one.
The thing is there isn't much to go by on this topic. If I have a lot of time on my hands I will start one a lot sooner than if I have more to hunt. My house bred pup a person would think is a late bloomer but trying to get 3 off of a dead coon is hard on me. So I have been happy just letting him age. I figured when he started he would be a fast train and I beleive I am going to be right.
I think in most cases a person would be as well off getting them use to crossing fences and rivers in most parts of the country before they start hunting them. That is all distractions they have to learn at the same time they are trying to follow a track. So this might be yet another thing that depends on what part of the world your in or atleast what kind of ground you hunt.

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Posted by Dirtdevil on 01-02-2012 11:18 PM:

You can't breed generation after generation of hard workers and it not show up in their genetics at an earlier age than they mature ...

You can mix up the naturals and the trained and get those later starters that barely escape culling and show they do have talent though.

I just get leary of too much , too fast .....

Posted by l.lyle on 01-03-2012 01:46 AM:

In the middle 1980s I had a pup tree her own wild coon by herself a little over 4 months old. I bred her back to that line. two or three litters. A pup off that cross I kept and bred back on that line. The slowest one to tree was six or seven months old. Sometimes they would be 8 months old before they would open on the ground. It took me ten years to realize that when they got two years old and older they were just mediocre dogs at best If you didn't even count the slicks and face barking. I started over.

A few years later I got a pup off a famous dog (Not Lipper, LOL) that had some of that line in him. I like to varminted when I saw it on the papers but he turned out good and I kept him til he died.

I don't like to post negative about a line of dogs because it might have just been my tough luck. If you are interested you can PM me and I'll tell you what line it was.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 01-03-2012 02:59 AM:

I wonder were the size of dog plays into all of this. I know bigger breeds are supose to have shorter life spans but bigger dogs seem to mature slower too. I would think it would have to play a part to some degree.

Posted by adlj on 01-03-2012 05:05 AM:

Sorry if I gave a false impession, I'm definitely not trying to get someone to say "good or bad" on a dog although if we're honest we should know the good and bad on dogs used for breeding. I never meant to insinuate "late starting" to be a bad trait, obviously some have responded that they might prefer that. I was only curious about the subject. As you can see from my older post I had just given up on a dog ( my first, paid for with my own money) and was wondering if I had done the right thing. By the way, "adlj" stands for Andrew Douglas Long Jr. I'm a 15 yr old boy. I have nothing to hide, I'm just trying to learn a little. Sorry for any problems.

Posted by Hopkins/Lipper on 01-03-2012 01:27 PM:

The makings of a coonhunter...

quote:
Originally posted by adlj
Sorry if I gave a false impession, I'm definitely not trying to get someone to say "good or bad" on a dog although if we're honest we should know the good and bad on dogs used for breeding. I never meant to insinuate "late starting" to be a bad trait, obviously some have responded that they might prefer that. I was only curious about the subject. As you can see from my older post I had just given up on a dog ( my first, paid for with my own money) and was wondering if I had done the right thing. By the way, "adlj" stands for Andrew Douglas Long Jr. I'm a 15 yr old boy from Tennessee. I have nothing to hide, I'm just trying to learn a little. Sorry for any problems.

Andrew... Thanks for an honest post and your efforts to clarify
And define your objectives. More of this attitude of discussion
and less of a battle ground would be a good example for many
of us to follow. I am impressed with the fact that you bought
your first dog with your own money and eventhough it did not
turn out, you have the desire to continue. You are interested
in learning by asking pertinent questions. The fact that you are
young yet man enough to state your name and age is
admirable. Continue to be honest and straightforward and your
desire to have a good hound . You will succeed and be respected.
I think you have the makings of a real coonhunter.

Tom Hopkins
Hopkins/Lipper

Posted by adlj on 01-03-2012 05:33 PM:

Thank you for the kind words, but more importantly, thanks for the advice.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 01-03-2012 05:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by adlj
Sorry if I gave a false impession, I'm definitely not trying to get someone to say "good or bad" on a dog although if we're honest we should know the good and bad on dogs used for breeding. I never meant to insinuate "late starting" to be a bad trait, obviously some have responded that they might prefer that. I was only curious about the subject. As you can see from my older post I had just given up on a dog ( my first, paid for with my own money) and was wondering if I had done the right thing. By the way, "adlj" stands for Andrew Douglas Long Jr. I'm a 15 yr old boy from Tennessee. I have nothing to hide, I'm just trying to learn a little. Sorry for any problems.

Andrew I am the one who should be sorry. I like to help young kids on here not insult them. Some come in here just come in with fake names to stir crap and don't tell there names. So I am sorry if I offended you.
As far as the good and bad about a hound the longer you read this forum you will find less that people can agree on. We are from all over the country and a lot of us forget that from time to time. What is good in one mans hound the other would shoot it for.
In a lot of places the coon are thick and they don't want there dog to go far becouse some hunt 40 acre tracks and smaller. The others have to have a dog that will go a mile or two just to find it's first track.
As far as how old they are when they start. A lot of people won't take a dog off the chain till it is a year old. They have other dogs to hunt and just wait till it is old enough to go good when it goes.
Some doesn't have anything better to do or is set up to were keeping a caged coon at home and working with the young pups is pretty easy. I live in town and so it takes a little more effort to start a pup.
So unless you know how they are set up and when and how they start messing with a pup you couldn't get a grasp on what is natural and how early the pup would had started in the differant hands that start them.
I have taken dogs over a year lod that people have given up on and made them into pretty fare hounds. I have shot one that didn't too.

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