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Posted by jculler8 on 12-08-2011 09:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by plentyofpossum
No he is a sovereign citizen. Which is much more dangerous than a lawyer. Take the time to read the links below. These people have very twisted beliefs and are very dangerous.

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/scm.asp?xpicked=4

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

I agree. I read both and then took a look at bond007's location. No wonder, he's always on the political posts! lol

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Posted by jculler8 on 12-08-2011 09:48 PM:

" In April 1992, an angry resident of Sanilac County, Michigan, wrote a letter to the Michigan Department of Natural Resources stating he was no longer a "citizen of the corrupt political corporate State of Michigan and the United States of America" and was answerable only to the "Common Laws." He therefore expressly revoked his signature on any hunting or fishing licenses, which he viewed as contracts that fraudulently bound him to the illegitimate government of Michigan.

That obscure Michigan hunter would, three years later, become known to the entire world. He was Terry Nichols, friend and accomplice of Oklahoma City Federal Building bomber Timothy McVeigh. Nichols subscribed to an unusual right-wing anti-government ideo-logy whose adherents have in recent years increasingly plagued public officials, law enforcement officers and private citizens with a variety of tactics designed to attack the government and other forms of authority. Its members call themselves, variously, consti-tutionalists, freemen, preamble citizens, common law citizens and non-foreign/non-resident aliens (Nichols used several of these), but most commonly refer to themselves as "sovereign citizens." "

This is just a piece from this article: http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/scm.asp?xpicked=4

Posted by plentyofpossum on 12-09-2011 02:35 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by plentyofpossum
007- what does IRS stand for?

They think IRS stands for- individuals representing satan

Posted by Tully on 12-09-2011 03:04 AM:

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Originally posted by bond007
Its no dought you cant read.

i didnt say i wanted anything if you proved me wrong or right.

So i will explain it better, i will GIVE you 100$ if You prove me wrong.
Im not a betting man, i dont gamble. I know for FACT you cant prove me wrong.

It's no doubt you can't spell! DOUBT! You misspelled a 5 letter word numerous times in this post, I DOUBT you can pull a fast one on Uncle Sam!

IRS= Income Reduction Service.

What's the other word for a donkey or mule?!?!?!?!?

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Posted by bond007 on 12-09-2011 03:57 AM:

and you want to smear instead of prove me wrong. The reason you cant is because you know it to be true.

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Posted by rance56 on 12-09-2011 03:59 AM:

still waiting on the illegal govt being taken down

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Posted by Jim Hill on 12-09-2011 04:24 AM:

did you start this post just to start crap or what ,tell everyone how too do it already if you are so right , hate game players

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Posted by Tim Trone on 12-09-2011 04:35 AM:

I dont know how right or wrong Jerry is but he is a fun gentleman to sit and listen to at a hunt . I just keep forgetting to take a notepad and write down everything he says to do . From what i have heard he is a very smart person and knows his laws.

Posted by heckler on 12-09-2011 04:46 AM:

Jerry is not a mean spirited man, and he will treat you with respect. I would not put him in the same class of people as Terry Nichols. I don't know if he is right or wrong, and that's where I will leave that. He definitely is not some extreme racist fanatic.

Posted by Tully on 12-09-2011 04:49 AM:

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Originally posted by bond007
and you want to smear instead of prove me wrong. The reason you cant is because you know it to be true.

Most lawyers I know use capitalization, punctuation, and can spell too. That's all I'm saying!

Posted by jculler8 on 12-09-2011 05:54 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tim Trone
I dont know how right or wrong Jerry is but he is a fun gentleman to sit and listen to at a hunt . I just keep forgetting to take a notepad and write down everything he says to do . From what i have heard he is a very smart person and knows his laws.

I personally do not know Jerry or the group as a matter of fact either. I also feel the article was written from 1 atypical viewpoint. Just read the posted links and thought it was interesting. Have never heard of the group before. Fill us in 007...

Posted by l.lyle on 12-09-2011 06:25 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by bond007
and you want to smear instead of prove me wrong. The reason you cant is because you know it to be true.

I have read the links posted. I do not know the source but I can tell pretty quick the links are accusations against anyone who might be doubtfull about a government employee coming onto your place ( technically owned by you or not) To see if the way you you fed your dogs is suitable to them or not. I re read the links and I see those are mighty nutty people. They are criminals in fact in my mind. However, I see me as a Citizen. I read this stuff on here and all I do is ask, is there any truth to it? Don't ask, don't tell and don't ask. Wel, maybe there is some truth to it so as a regular citizen I can ask that question and I can expect an answer from my government, I would hope. It should not be that hard to answer from the staff of Laywers that all Agencies have on board . It shoud be easily and quickly put to rest by a government Lawyer quoting the statute that the arguement is made and debunking it . It should take about 5 minutes of a lawyers time. Instead, it is not worth the effort when a citizen gets sold out . like the accusations stated ,itw as a "frivolous" case. What is frivolous to me is the old ladies cat gets out and climbs a tree and she calls the Fire Department to get her Cat down and the Fire Department brings a ladder and the cat jumps and breaks its back so she sues the town for a hjalf million dollar cat and wins.. To me , that is frivolous as hell. Somebody that has worked and got his taxes paid for 40 years and never could take his kids to Disney World for trying to hold on to his land tax should have an absolute right to just ask that simple question of the Government and expect a GD understandable answer , Though be it BS. The only answer given is that he asked a "frivolous" question. Frivolous to your ass but not to mine. I can ask that question as a citizen and I dam well expect an documented government answer that I can the satisfy my mind while I am supporting your cause that you are correct, But no, NO reply at all..
Do not show off your Plantaion management skills to me, I am a master of them. I ask and you answer. Pronto.,

Those that have assumed that the offer of "prove me wrong have not proved him wrong yet. Let me remind you of that. You have done some cutting and pasting of what you believe to be the truth. I see that. The guestion in my mind then is expanded. Do you OWN your land? And land is fourth on the list of first , God then self and family and finally country last. So what scares me most is the answers that assume they do not own anything includiding themselves and (to heck with land) you don't even claim to own yourself? And are even scared to ask that Question?

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 12-09-2011 06:30 AM:

the only thing this whole thread lacks is twilight zone music and michael moore.

Posted by l.lyle on 12-09-2011 06:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
the only thing this whole thread lacks is twilight zone music and michael moore.

Go back to sleep, this is past your bedtime.

Posted by bond007 on 12-09-2011 07:18 AM:

OK, FACT;

When you bought a property. You used a Lawyer to do the closing. Or the bank arranged it.
They filled out all the paperwork for you. At that time you where the grantee. When you didnt accept the deed, (you didnt take the deed from them and sign accepted, put your name on it and date it) You where assumed in Law as being unable to do and take care of your affairs. To make it simple....they say you are stupid. Because you didnt accept the deed as explained above. So the 1st thing to take full ownership of your property is to go to the clerk office who hold the deeds and ammend your deed. Then you become the Grantor of the deed. I law you are telling them you are not stupid and CAN do your own affairs.

This is the 1st step.
And NO ......the Lawyers on here dont want you to do that and would NEVER tell you the truth about it. Why....follow the money. Check the CAFR funds and you will know why. Its there retirement.

Posted by plentyofpossum on 12-09-2011 03:43 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by heckler
He definitely is not some extreme racist fanatic.

You must have not read the links. A sovereign citizen is anti government from federal to local. IRS, Police, and DMV are just a few examples of government they try to fight. They make fake drivers license, car registration, refuse to carry or admit they have a SSN.

Usually refer to themselves as a citizens of a "republic", look at his location. Google republic of your state, I bet you will find a web site with these beliefs in your state. They stock pile ammo and assault rifles with the intention to protect their property from the government. I'm pro gun but not like this. He may not be Terry Nichols, but I can tell his beliefs are the same.

Posted by bond007 on 12-09-2011 04:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by plentyofpossum
You must have not read the links. A sovereign citizen is anti government from federal to local. IRS, Police, and DMV are just a few examples of government they try to fight. They make fake drivers license, car registration, refuse to carry or admit they have a SSN.

Usually refer to themselves as a citizens of a "republic", look at his location. Google republic of your state, I bet you will find a web site with these beliefs in your state. They stock pile ammo and assault rifles with the intention to protect their property from the government. I'm pro gun but not like this. He may not be Terry Nichols, but I can tell his beliefs are the same.

I would say you have bumped your head. I have ss# and such. I also see you like to take in the propaganda.
1st you need to read the constitution, then the bill of rights. You dont know them or just want to act that you dont.
The constitution clearly states ALL Americans ARE sovereign.
It also states we are a Republic.
So you say you are not sovereign? If you are not, what are you? A BAR member. If so then i understand. Because a BAR member gave up there sovereignty which our constitution provides and swore an allegience to the crown of England. Which is why the BAR stands for British Accredited Reg. The BAR is controled and property of the British Crown.

Posted by plentyofpossum on 12-09-2011 06:35 PM:

Here is some propaganda for you. These are some but i'm sure not all.

http://www.alabama-republic.com/home.html

http://www.ncrepublic.org/

http://www.southcarolinarepublic.org/

http://www.tennesseerepublic.org/

http://republicofflorida.org/

http://www.mississippirepublic.org/

http://republicforkentucky.org/

http://republicofvirginia.org/

I haven't bumped my head, I would say i'm pretty spot on.

Posted by patches9452 on 12-09-2011 07:09 PM:

this country has gotten in the shape its in because of people knuckling under with no fight.... i dont believe in blowing up buildings and harming people but nice to see some people willing to buckk the system.... and btw i dont think you can find any reason to put this man in the catagory some of you have.... jmo

Posted by plentyofpossum on 12-09-2011 07:13 PM:

Tim and heckler since you know " Jerry "personally. You might want to watch this video and educate yourselves. Please bare with the commercials and watch the entire clip. Those of you that don't please watch anyway. It can't hurt.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7366128n

Posted by plentyofpossum on 12-09-2011 07:16 PM:

Patches- re read just bond's and my post. Skip over everyone else's. Then let me know if i'm wrong.

Posted by Cory Highfill on 12-09-2011 07:47 PM:

I thought the illegal government was gonna be shut down by now? And wasn't the queen of England supposed to step down too?

Posted by heckler on 12-09-2011 08:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by plentyofpossum
Tim and heckler since you know " Jerry "personally. You might want to watch this video and educate yourselves. Please bare with the commercials and watch the entire clip. Those of you that don't please watch anyway. It can't hurt.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7366128n

So you are saying I need educated.........you can assume what ever you need to I guess. I appreciate the concern and I'll adjust my lifestyle accordingly. Have a good day gentlemen.

Posted by old ben on 12-09-2011 09:01 PM:

Will this keep my dog from slick treeing

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Posted by plentyofpossum on 12-09-2011 09:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by heckler
So you are saying I need educated.........you can assume what ever you need to I guess. I appreciate the concern and I'll adjust my lifestyle accordingly. Have a good day gentlemen.

On the subject, yes. Not trying to say you are uneducated. Sorry you misunderstood.

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