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Posted by plentyofpossum on 11-11-2011 03:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by oklared
You better handle him cause if he barks he is minused.

With the info given, you don't know it the handler struck his dog or not. So you can't say minus based on what was said. The op just said opened. You don't have to strike your dog on first bark.

Posted by Tim Trone on 11-11-2011 04:21 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Everyone has their own opinion but what does the rule say? Don't we all have to go by the same rule? Can some people just make up their own rules? My rulebook says, (4d,pg56) "but if they come into tree will get minus on track and nothing on tree if coon is seen". It does not say anything about treeing, getting up on tree or barking. It only says "if they come into tree". "If they come into tree" they should be leashed and scored accordingly. At least that is what the rulebook and UKC say. Now in Florida or the Hoosier state, y'all may have a different set of rules.

WE make them up as we go so we can get some wins , LMAO . All mine are legite .

As for the dog coming to the tree in five minutes , He is usually working around figuring that track out and doing the right thing but if we come into a tree and the dog is working around the tree he is not treed to me .Some people will minus a dog for being five feet off the tree so that would meen the dog wasnt treed so let them work the track .

Posted by Bob Hennessey on 11-11-2011 04:27 PM:

On the back of the score card the rules are printed. Rule 5b under points to be circled. 5b, No dog to recieve minus points for coming into tree AFTER the judge arrives UNLESS A COON IS SEEN and the dogs treeing are awarded plus points. Rule 4 deals with dogs at tree after 5 min. but, BEFORE THE JUDGE ARRIVES.

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Posted by groworg1 on 11-11-2011 04:34 PM:

if there is no coon why are you complaining? the dogs with no coon get minus track and tree you get a delete who wins? your already in the lead now we just need to see a coon lol

Posted by groworg1 on 11-11-2011 04:42 PM:

went back and looked rule 8 g is correct answer

Posted by Bob Hennessey on 11-11-2011 05:09 PM:

How do you figure that 8g has anything to do with this situation? Just asking.

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Posted by groworg1 on 11-11-2011 05:20 PM:

sorry it's 5 g went back again

Posted by Okie Dawg on 11-12-2011 04:48 AM:

I think he would have to explaine his definition of milling around. If he stays at the tree that is one thing but if he just checks it and puts his nose back to the ground working out from under the umbrela of the tree I wouldn't call mine off. Most people can't call there dog to them so they wouldn't be able to handle there dog and I don't think you should get punished for a dog that minds.

What do you do if they can't catch there dog. I have seen a lot of them that can't be caught no were but the tree.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-12-2011 05:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
What do you do if they can't catch there dog. I have seen a lot of them that can't be caught no were but the tree.

You are scratched! Just what part of "dog comes into the tree" do people not understand? It is worded very simply. It does not say anything about barking, getting up on the tree, smelling around, going over to the owner, stopping, etc. etc. If you are standing at a tree and you can see the dog, then he "came into the tree". If the judge says,"handle your dog" and you don't/ can't then you are scratched. I am sorry but those are the rules that we agree to abide by when we sign up for a hunt. If you don't like them or don't agree with them, then don't try to add your interpretation. You need to try to have the rule changed.

Posted by Bob Hennessey on 11-12-2011 05:44 PM:

SO, now what do you do with dog D if this is a nt. or gr nt ch or happens in an RQE if there is a possum in the tree? I'm talking by the rules, not what you would do if you were judging.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 11-12-2011 07:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
You are scratched! Just what part of "dog comes into the tree" do people not understand? It is worded very simply. It does not say anything about barking, getting up on the tree, smelling around, going over to the owner, stopping, etc. etc. If you are standing at a tree and you can see the dog, then he "came into the tree". If the judge says,"handle your dog" and you don't/ can't then you are scratched. I am sorry but those are the rules that we agree to abide by when we sign up for a hunt. If you don't like them or don't agree with them, then don't try to add your interpretation. You need to try to have the rule changed.

Really....... if my dog has been struck and not declared treed and is working a track and you scratch me because "you can see him from the tree" and i dont handle him, WE are making a trip back to the clubhouse. Iv had it happen and after we minused the slick treeers we went to my dog who finished the track with the coon.

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Posted by Charles Pullen on 11-12-2011 08:13 PM:

Re: Rule ? # 2

quote:
Originally posted by Bob Gleason
4 dog cast 3 dogs
are declared treed 4th dog is opened away from the dogs that
are treed tree closes cast goes to the tree and handles the dogs
starts to search the tree while searching the tree the 4th dog comes in goes to the tree gets on the tree but does not say anything and gets back down mills around the tree should this dog be handled ?

Bob how many times I got to tell you . If you leave those booticks alone and get you a BLACK & TAN .

Posted by Bob Gleason on 11-12-2011 10:57 PM:

Re: Re: Rule ? # 2

quote:
Originally posted by Charles Pullen
Bob how many times I got to tell you . If you leave those booticks alone and get you a BLACK & TAN .

I've been waiting on a man to call me when he is ready to let one go......LOL

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Posted by Tardawg on 11-12-2011 11:25 PM:

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Originally posted by The Seeker
SO, now what do you do with dog D if this is a nt. or gr nt ch or happens in an RQE if there is a possum in the tree? I'm talking by the rules, not what you would do if you were judging.

Bob, If the judge is at the tree and Dog D come in after the Judge has arrived and there is a possum in the tree. The three dogs that were there when the judge arrived will be scratched and Dog D that came in after the judge arrived is not scratched.

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Posted by Bob Hennessey on 11-13-2011 12:35 AM:

Tardawg, I knew the answer but it's fun to see all the answers.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 11-14-2011 05:06 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
You are scratched! Just what part of "dog comes into the tree" do people not understand? It is worded very simply. It does not say anything about barking, getting up on the tree, smelling around, going over to the owner, stopping, etc. etc. If you are standing at a tree and you can see the dog, then he "came into the tree". If the judge says,"handle your dog" and you don't/ can't then you are scratched. I am sorry but those are the rules that we agree to abide by when we sign up for a hunt. If you don't like them or don't agree with them, then don't try to add your interpretation. You need to try to have the rule changed.

If he is on the tree he isn't hard to catch. If not you get into what this thread is about. Go read how it started. Milling can mean a lot of things to differant people.

Posted by JiM on 11-14-2011 07:45 PM:

The first post stated " 4th dog comes in, goes to tree, gets on tree".
Ok, at that point the dog must be handled under rule 17 "Dogs at tree MUST be leashed." All the milling and whatever milling is does not matter at all, the dog came into the tree and if you are bound to follow UKC rules, then that dog must be leashed. The dogs strike points are then either minused or circled depending on how the tree is scored.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 11-15-2011 01:09 AM:

Jim, you and mister Lambert are right. I went back and read it and had forgotten about it standing on the tree. I was just going by the milling thing. I am sorry guys.

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