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Posted by PROFESSORRAIN on 11-10-2011 10:12 PM:

WOW is all i can say!He should have got the kid out of there and called the police,but he didn't as a educator he is obligated to do so and failed at that miserably.SAD is what it is!


Posted by Virgil on 11-10-2011 10:21 PM:

Re: Re: If I was Joe's wife

quote:
Originally posted by perry co cooner
You are an idiot..........Paterno didn't see anything happen Mike McQuery did. I hate people that run their mouths without even knowing what they are talking about. Yes Paterno deserved to be fired and certainly should have done a lot more but HE DID NOT see any crime being committed. Mike McQuery saw this happening not Paterno and walked away and told his dad and the next day told Paterno. Why didn't he call the cops? Why didn't he get fired?


Paterno may not have saw it happening but he had to know from the earlier investigations that had taken place that Sandusky was someone who shouldn't have been around kids and not to start a coverup of the incident.

This whole situation reminds me of an old saying. "All that is required for evil to fluorish is for good men to do nothing".

That is exactly what happened in this case. The men who were supposed to be good men did nothing and allowed at least 8 children to be sexual assaulted and most likely many more that haven't come forward.

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Posted by Joe Moore on 11-10-2011 10:26 PM:

I just read the report from the Grand Jury and if anyone esle has they know, that there were many other officials reported that knew way more about this and even denied some of the incidents. Awful way to run a university.


Posted by Debbie Dorrance on 11-10-2011 11:42 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
Would you be sticking up for Joe if one of the boys had a been your son or nephew? I'm willing to bet your answer is NO!

I wanna know who he thought he was to come out and tell the board not to worry about me that I'll retire after this season.

I can tell ya right now if someone EVER does anthing like that to my grandson or my nephews and I find out one of us will be needing an undertaker REAL QUICK.

Me as a parent would not of ever let my children of that age out with a man that much older..Where were the PARENTS????????

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Posted by Buckshot on 11-10-2011 11:56 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Debbie Dorrance
Me as a parent would not of ever let my children of that age out with a man that much older..Where were the PARENTS????????


That is why Second Mile was created "non-profit organization for children who need additional support and who would benefit from positive human contact" .

Unfortunately not every kid has parents who care and are around....broken homes, addicts, you get the drift.......thus why there is different programs scattered around the country that fill the void of what some of these kids are missing.

Big Brothers is one that comes to mind that has been around 100 years or so.


Posted by EnglishBabe on 11-11-2011 01:08 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Debbie Dorrance
Me as a parent would not of ever let my children of that age out with a man that much older..Where were the PARENTS????????



I let my 13 yr. old go small game hunting with a man in his 50's, does that make this man a child molestor? No, I think not! As a parent, we MUST be responsible and check out the people our children go with and are entrusted with our children's lives. The very fact that he was 'caught' before in a not so pleasant position doing questionable behavior should have been a red light, then to actually BE caught doing something way out of line, he should have been confronted right there by the person who saw it, been reported right to the police and then the chain of command been notified. There are WAY to many dropped balls in this terrible event and I'm ashamed to say I live in PA and only 60 miles away from where it all took place!

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Posted by l.lyle on 11-11-2011 01:46 AM:

If they reported it they better have an airtight case. There are groups like NAMBLA that want to normalize deviant sexual behavior and would sue the University and accusers personally. Tolerating this kind of deviancy has got us where we are today.


Posted by intellectualist on 11-11-2011 02:26 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by EnglishBabe
I let my 13 yr. old go small game hunting with a man in his 50's, does that make this man a child molestor? No, I think not! As a parent, we MUST be responsible and check out the people our children go with and are entrusted with our children's lives. The very fact that he was 'caught' before in a not so pleasant position doing questionable behavior should have been a red light, then to actually BE caught doing something way out of line, he should have been confronted right there by the person who saw it, been reported right to the police and then the chain of command been notified. There are WAY to many dropped balls in this terrible event and I'm ashamed to say I live in PA and only 60 miles away from where it all took place!


The comparison about small game hunting you are making is way off the mark. You need to go read the indictment to get a better understanding as to what you are commenting on!


Posted by l.lyle on 11-11-2011 02:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by intellectualist
The comparison about small game hunting you are making is way off the mark. You need to go read the indictment to get a better understanding as to what you are commenting on!

Where is it so off the mark? She was coimmenting on a post by Debbie Dorrance. I must be missing something.


Posted by intellectualist on 11-11-2011 02:36 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by l.lyle
Where is it so off the mark? She was coimmenting on a post by Debbie Dorrance. I must be missing something.


EnglishBabe was talking about letting her child go hunting with an older man and asking Debbie what was wrong with that. Debbie may not have been clear in her wording but if you have read the indictment, the things these children were doing and the places that they were going was far cry different than letting your child go hunting with a trusted and known adult!
That is why babes comment is off the mark because to ask what she did of Debbie does not compare to the scope of the picture the indictment indicates!


Posted by l.lyle on 11-11-2011 02:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by intellectualist
EnglishBabe was talking about letting her child go hunting with an older man and asking Debbie what was wrong with that. Debbie may not have been clear in her wording but if you have read the indictment, the things these children were doing and the places that they were going was far cry different than letting your child go hunting with a trusted and known adult!
That is why babes comment is off the mark because to ask what she did of Debbie does not compare to the scope of the picture the indictment indicates!



That is true but debbie said she would not let her child go off with and older man period.

Also (edited later) she did not ask debbie What was wrong. That needs a question mark after it. She asked if an older man makes him a child molester. Babe mearly stated a fact ending with a period that she let her child go small game hunting with an older man that I feel confident she knows and trusts.


Posted by michael widdup on 11-11-2011 02:57 AM:

joe pa

what got me he said that they needed to focus on other things besides him.no he is part of the problem!nobody is bigger than the law!and the students at happy valley that are protesting should read the online report.if so they would be at jerry"s house ripping it apart.i just feel bad for those young kids.but i think soon he will be on the other end.prison,and yes they hate his kind

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Posted by intellectualist on 11-11-2011 03:35 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by l.lyle
That is true but debbie said she would not let her child go off with and older man period.


Right! That is what I meant by Debbie maybe not wording it right. I think Debbie read the indictment and saw what all these children were doing and the places they were going with this scum bag and that is what she meant by not letting her child go with an older man.
I know, you have to read between the lines to get that and I may be wrong, but considering how the indictment reads, I think that is what Debbie is talking about. Maybe Debbie can clarify.


Posted by Jack Bingham on 11-11-2011 04:01 AM:

I was very close to someone that had been molested for 10 yrs. Until you have a victim telling you personel accounts of what they go thru you have no idea. Everyone that had knowledge of what was going on should do jail time and see how they like it. If i personally witnessed an unspeakable act like this JoePa would not be the person i would be reporting to the 911 call would have been for an ambulance and the sheriff( because Sandusky would barley be breathing). Anyone that sticks for Joe or anyone that knew of this needs to take a moral check because it must be way off.

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Posted by Dale Young on 11-11-2011 03:11 PM:

I haven't read the report and I'm a bit confused about the little kids talk. I thought this was a University (college football ) program this Joe was running . Seems they'd speak up themselves or could. I'm likely missing something cause I'd never heard of any of them til now.


Posted by Joe Moore on 11-11-2011 05:40 PM:

Yeah dale, google penn state scandal or something similar with the grand jury report and take a look at it. An assitant coach of PSU molested as of right now 9 or 10 known kids.


Posted by RANDY GIBSON on 11-11-2011 06:58 PM:

looks like the hole bunch was involved!!!!!!! they all should pay
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Posted by Chris Dillard on 11-12-2011 01:22 AM:

Anyone that puts a sports team above the safety of children should get whats coming to them.

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Posted by oscar on 11-12-2011 01:49 AM:

My question is why is McQuery still coaching? He is the one that seen what was going on and waited a day to tell his dad. Paterno gets fired first and this guy still walks the sidelines. Thats messed up. At least Joe reported it to his superiors McQuery didnt even do that and he still has a job.


Posted by capt_agricultur on 11-12-2011 02:53 AM:

Well

this is our last season ticket.....


Posted by starplott on 11-12-2011 05:41 AM:

Re: joe pa

quote:
Originally posted by michael widdup
what got me he said that they needed to focus on other things besides him.no he is part of the problem!nobody is bigger than the law!and the students at happy valley that are protesting should read the online report.if so they would be at jerry"s house ripping it apart.i just feel bad for those young kids.but i think soon he will be on the other end.prison,and yes they hate his kind


There's nothing they could do to any of them at this point for failure to report if they wanted to. The statute of limitations has long been expired. PA statute states private/public school staff meets the obligation to report to admin. (what a crock, but oh well)

I'm sure they will be using Joe for state's evidence later on, least of the evils and they can not prosecute if they wanted to due to statute of limitations and the inside controversy over 'spirit of the law', can't have the public fearful of prosecution over failing to report-want them to report because 'it is the right thing to do' (not sure if it was AG or senator that stated that).

They will go after the bigger fish. Schultz and somebody else were charged with perjury. That is the start of things and will go from there. Statute of limitations isn't up on perjury OR sexually abusing a child. In PA you have 8 years past the age of 18 of victim until statute of limitations is up on sexually abusing a child.

But, people like Joe ARE a part of the problem. That, no respectable person would disagree with.

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Posted by perry co cooner on 11-12-2011 02:12 PM:

Re: If I was Joe's wife

quote:
Originally posted by starplott
They wouldn't have had ANY BODY to fire.

I have worked with sexually abused boys professionally for years. I am also a mandatory reporter.

What Joe did was criminal! People like him ought to be rotting in prison with the perp who do the deed as they are EQUALLY as dangerous to children AND society.

He is a mandatory reporter. We report to CPS and LE (law enforcement). You have to remember this is not a case where he saw a bruise and had suspicion of abuse. He saw a crime in progress against a child and failed to report it to the proper authorities. Instead he CHOSE to report it to admin and contribute to it being swept under the rug.

Too bad the statutes of limitation have ran out. I'd love to see him held accountable for his choice to allow children to be harmed. Getting fired is a pretty sweet deal for him. A lot of suffering needlessly went on to promote his career. A lot of boys suffered a great deal so he could stay on top, no pun intended.



So Paterno is not a MANDATORY REPORTED like you had reported in an earlier post............the same post you claimed Paterno is the one that physically witnessed the crime? You certainly change your facts a lot. How about if we just leave this up to Pennsylvania's legal system and we'll leave your legal expertise in Idaho or wherever you're from? Paterno should have done more.......no one disagrees with that but lets stay focused on the victims AND the SANDUSKY (the guy that actually committed a crime against these kids).

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