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Posted by Robert Johnson on 10-27-2011 07:55 PM:

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Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
Well then you should have no problem with it then. The ones that are dead set against it, or against the idea I have, you have to wonder what kind of dog they hunt ? Regardless of weather its a nite champion or World champion.

If all the coon hunters had your ideas, we could get one cast at each hunt, and you'd win everytime with your universe champion

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 10-27-2011 08:09 PM:

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If all the coon hunters had your ideas, we could get one cast at each hunt, and you'd win everytime with your universe champion

My dog is not even a competition style dog. Tell me why your against my ideas. Give reasons.

Posted by Todd K / UKC on 10-27-2011 08:45 PM:

Thank you to those who stayed on topic for your input. I guess I feel the same way many of you do. If clubs are struggling for turn outs at their nite hunts, and the same clubs are having small turn outs for their hunt tests, I think it would be a positive thing to bring them together.

I always envisioned bringing all the coonhunters in the area together for one larger event that catered to the wants of both, the competition hunter and the pleasure hunter. More support for the club in terms of kitchen sales, memberships, help, etc. Just like the old days. If we could get the true pleasure hunters involved again it would more than double your club memberships.

I don't see the guide / judge thing being a problem. The more people that turn out for your hunt test, the more resource you have for guides / inspectors. It SHOULD take care of itself. The majority of people won't be from out of your guide radius. Most anybody that is there to run a dog in the hunt test can also serve as an inspector. You could run two rounds of hunt tests and they will still be done before the nite hunt casts come in.

You shouldn't be drawing from your Nite Hunt help to put on a Hunt Test. I don't think it will conflict.

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Posted by JiM on 10-27-2011 09:33 PM:

I don;t know about other clubs but at ours, we always have a bunch that go out and pleasure hunt after the casts are called and they roll back in to watch the casts come back in. Those guys are your HTX guides, judges, participants. If you can't get them, then HTX isn't gonna fly. That's how I see it.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-27-2011 09:43 PM:

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Originally posted by todd kellam
Thank you to those who stayed on topic for your input. I guess I feel the same way many of you do. If clubs are struggling for turn outs at their nite hunts, and the same clubs are having small turn outs for their hunt tests, I think it would be a positive thing to bring them together.

I always envisioned bringing all the coonhunters in the area together for one larger event that catered to the wants of both, the competition hunter and the pleasure hunter. More support for the club in terms of kitchen sales, memberships, help, etc. Just like the old days. If we could get the true pleasure hunters involved again it would more than double your club memberships.

I don't see the guide / judge thing being a problem. The more people that turn out for your hunt test, the more resource you have for guides / inspectors. It SHOULD take care of itself. The majority of people won't be from out of your guide radius. Most anybody that is there to run a dog in the hunt test can also serve as an inspector. You could run two rounds of hunt tests and they will still be done before the nite hunt casts come in.

You shouldn't be drawing from your Nite Hunt help to put on a Hunt Test. I don't think it will conflict.

I agree, I guide and could lead some one to a place to test on our way out to hunt and they could just go back to the club when they get done. It wouldn't be a problem and doesn't take that much land for one dump with one dog.
The only thing I see is I would want to do both. LOL

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-27-2011 09:50 PM:

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Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
My dog is not even a competition style dog. Tell me why your against my ideas. Give reasons.

The more rules you make to keep people out the fewer you have at the hunts. That takes away money from the club. A dog that doesn't hunt doesn't hurt anything. They pay an entry just like the rest and get scratched. They got to participate the club made money they learned some of the rules and all is happy.
In short it is good experience for them and makes money for the club and if there dog standing around bothers yours it is a problem in your dog and not theres.

Posted by Lone Pine JB on 10-27-2011 10:53 PM:

It might be worth letting the clubs decide if it's something they'll want to do. I'm thinking that some of the bench show folks that normally take off before the night hunt might stick around and try a hunt test.

I agree, the more people that are there supporting the club and our sport, the better off we are as a whole.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 10-27-2011 11:25 PM:

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Originally posted by Okie Dawg
The more rules you make to keep people out the fewer you have at the hunts. That takes away money from the club. A dog that doesn't hunt doesn't hurt anything. They pay an entry just like the rest and get scratched. They got to participate the club made money they learned some of the rules and all is happy.
In short it is good experience for them and makes money for the club and if there dog standing around bothers yours it is a problem in your dog and not theres.

Thats not even what i was talking about.

Posted by jackbob42 on 10-28-2011 01:08 AM:

I don't think it would hurt a thing.
Speaking for myself , I don't care to comp hunt , but alot of folks know I go to the Maple Rapids club to pester Larry.
I'd probably take my dog along even though he would probably fail more times than he would pass.
And I'd be willing to judge/guide someone else.
And you never know , you might get a few to get the itch to try comp hunting.

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Posted by MikeR on 10-28-2011 01:50 AM:

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Originally posted by goodtimekennel
you can hunt all the htx you want but dont bore me with it, i basicly htx hunt every nite i pleasure hunt , if a dog cant tree a coon i would never take it to a hunt period.

You may know that but what about someone who buys a pup from another state. I'd much rather see an HTX by the sire and dams name than just "PR".

Posted by MikeR on 10-28-2011 01:55 AM:

I don't think holding both events on the same night would conflict. The participants for each event will differ.

Those who enjoy the competition will enter the nite hunt. Those who are more inclined to favor pleasure hunting would enter the hunt test.

In both cases it's a win-win situation for the host club.

Posted by MikeR on 10-28-2011 01:56 AM:

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Originally posted by MikeR
You may know that but what about someone who buys a pup from another state and doesn't have the opportunity to see the sire and or dame in the woods. I'd much rather see an HTX by the sire and dams name than just "PR".

Posted by Hopkins/Lipper on 10-28-2011 01:57 AM:

HTX ... for what ???

In my opinion HTX is a waste of time and money... If your dog can't Tree a coon and in style better than the rest of your cast... Why bother ??)
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Posted by Dirtdevil on 10-28-2011 02:02 AM:

Fast food places always crowd together and feed off each other's success .... I would bet it would work for the nite hunts and HTX also ....

Posted by Cory Highfill on 10-28-2011 02:23 AM:

I can't speak for every club, but there is NO WAY we could facilitate the need for more judges and/or guides that adding the HTX format to out Saturday night hunts could generate, even if the response to it was minimal.

I'd be less willing to drive to a hunt that was sponsoring a HTX hunt the same night as their regular Nite Hunt for another reason: The number of Performance Points awarded may be adversely affected if the HTX hunt were to detract from the number of entries at the regular hunt.

Posted by Caleb Wilson on 10-28-2011 02:35 AM:

i would say do it and let the guys hunt both if they want have it like pkc does a late round do one or the other early and have the other later where people can hunt both the same night if they want or if they just want to hunt one they can

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Posted by duke20002000 on 10-28-2011 04:38 AM:

comp hunt or htx hunt

i think it would get some older felles something to do and bring more money to the club you got poeple that show dogs and you got poeple that hunt dogs i dont think it would effect the comp hunt. that a differrent
game than htx hunt

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Posted by Ray Walburn on 10-28-2011 04:43 AM:

I would rather have the HTX title than any other and would like to see our club have them

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Posted by MikeR on 10-28-2011 10:16 AM:

Re: HTX ... for what ???

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Originally posted by Hopkins/Lipper
In my opinion HTX is a waste of time and money... If your dog can't Tree a coon and in style better than the rest of your cast... Why bother ??)
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Funny statement coming from you Tom. Maybe you should practice what you preach.

How many casts was Dr. Law in this year where he didn't tree a coon or have any + points???? Seems I read on this site and another KC site it was quite a few. LOL

Posted by goodtimekennel on 10-28-2011 02:17 PM:

Re: Re: HTX ... for what ???

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Originally posted by MikeR
Funny statement coming from you Tom. Maybe you should practice what you preach.

How many casts was Dr. Law in this year where he didn't tree a coon or have any + points???? Seems I read on this site and another KC site it was quite a few. LOL

GUESS HE DIDNT WIN THEN , YOU NO NOT EVERYBODY WINS IN A REAL 4 DOG CAST, WE ALL HAVE A BAD NITE SOME TIMES ,

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO LIKE HTX GREAT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT ,ITS GOOD THAT YOU HAVE SOME THING YOU LIKE,
BUT IF IM LOOKING AT A SET OF PAPERS IF ITS HTX CH SHCH FLDCH IF THATS WHAT THE PEDAGREE LOOKS LIKE I WOULD NOT BE BUYING THAT PUP OR DOG, I WANT A DOG THAT WAS BRED FOR GENERATIONS TO BE A COONDOG THAT TREES REAL LIVE COON NITE AFTER NITE FAST ACCURATELY , I DONT WANT A DOG TO BE CHECKING OUT MY TIRES TAKING ALL NIGHT BOOING ON A TRACK

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-28-2011 09:23 PM:

There not forceing it on anyone guys. They are just talking about giveing the clubs a choice. I think if the clubs want to try it then they should have the chance to. It may be good for one and bad for another.
It does give the older people and youth a thing to particapate in as well as new pleasure hunters that may come for the test and get interested in the hunts.
I see a lot of ways it could help and the only way I see it could hurt is to pull some of the hounds out of the hunt to test. If that happens that club can go to haveing it on seperate nights.
As far as HTX recognition I would rather breed to a dog that had the HTX than a dog with a GRNITE title. If that is all I had to go by as to weather the dog was a good hound. If the natural instinct is there he will do it by himself and that is all the test shows.
But that is one thing that the rest of the titles doesn't show. I think showing a dog will do it by himself is just as inportant as showing he can do it with company. ( if not more so)

Posted by GA DAWG on 10-29-2011 12:45 AM:

Re: HTX ... for what ???

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Originally posted by Hopkins/Lipper
In my opinion HTX is a waste of time and money... If your dog can't Tree a coon and in style better than the rest of your cast... Why bother ??)
Tom Hopkins
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So for once I agree with ya. I hunt test mine all the time. By the way JASON..How many hunt tests you went to?? Sure might get rid of the meto dogs kinda. It also will let a slow trailing,8 or 10 TIME TREE LOCATING, MEAN dog have a title..See it works both ways. Really though if folks like em hunt em but they aint that big of a deal. If more folks in north ga wanted any. SPEAK up we will have one.

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 10-29-2011 01:14 PM:

HTX seems to be a hot topic right now coming out of
roast ears & cherries,you know what we call easy coons.
i dont thank it will work around here those old men
sitting around are not going to show you there spots.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-29-2011 06:37 PM:

Re: HTX ... for what ???

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Originally posted by Hopkins/Lipper
In my opinion HTX is a waste of time and money... If your dog can't Tree a coon and in style better than the rest of your cast... Why bother ??)
Tom Hopkins
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Tom if we all felt that way the only one that would show up to hunt is the guy with the best hound and he wouldn't have anyone to hunt against.
There are a lot of people that don't hunt in comp. for others reasons than not haveing a good hound.
Haveing a good young hound prospect is a top reason to NOT put it in a comp. hunt for a lot of people.
They don't want to get it ate off a tree by a mean dog or don't want it in the woods with a trash chaseing dog yet.
This test gives them somthing to do till there dog is ready for comp. and gives the old GRNITE CH' s something to do too.
I allso think it would be a great starter place for kids. Instead of there first experience being a big fight out in the woods with poor sportsmanship forced in there face.
For people like you that have had some of the best hounds in the country a HTX wouldn't mean squat. But for someone young or just getting into the sport it would be a great starting spot. I mean no disrespect. Just had to wonder if you thought about what it would mean to the starters.

Posted by Velocity on 10-29-2011 07:01 PM:

HTX

We have been discussing the HTX's at our meetings and a few of us plan on attenting the one at Darlington, Md on Dec 3rd to get our feet wet and see the pros and cons! We definatly would not have one during our regular hunts due to only having 4 to 6 guides at the most at our club and most of the folks coming to our club are 1.5 hours or more away. I do believe they are a great idea for those looking to get a title on there dogs that would not normaly hunt in the hunts or put that young or old dog into a cast.
I do not understand the negativity of of the HTX's ! If its not for you then move on or don't participate. I myself would like to try a few and if it supports our club or another club i'm all about it.

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