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I DON'T CARE IF ONE NEVER STRIKES OR BARKS EVERY STEP IT TAKES.

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Originally posted by The Seeker
Rule 6. Dogs will be scratched (6i) if dog is continuously silent on trail. So if
you knowing enter and hunt a silent dog you are cheating. My question is what else is okay to do that is against the rules?

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You cast near where a coon track should be. Say a branch run or a dike crossing. In 30 seconds three dogs are struck. You don't know if that is an indepentent dog headed for parts unknown or whether he does not have a good enough nose or whether he is silent. The track gets worked up to where they are running hot and still no 4 th dog. All dogs tree within 15 seconds of each other. I would call that a silent dog.

Dogs are recast and 1 minute later the silent dog does the "strike and tree my dog thing' . That's obviously a layup with no track to run. Good for him. All dogs join in that are not struck.

Turn loose again. A dog strikes, other two dogd strike. Like before , you don't know if he has blown out of the country. The next thing you know all dogs are treed on the same tree.

By now if you cannot tell that is a silent track dog somebody is fooling himself. And Scratched because he has continuously been silent on two decent tracks not just contiously silent on one track. The layup speacks for itself and does not count against him.

amazingcursouth. AMEN. thats why i hunt a cur. he trees a sackload of coon while most, not all, dogs are still "warming it up." i have a walker also though. i love hounds and i always will. i just dont see why there needs to be restrictions on how they run a track. the more coon the dog trees the better the dog. looks, style and a big mouth dont tree coon. i guess a silent dog is hard to follow for the me2 dogs though.

if someone decides to cheat with a silent dog thats b.s. get rid of the handler not the dog.

p.s. if anyone has a bunch of "useless" silent dogs u want to get rid of pm me.

lets just take away strike points and keep tree points, first one there with the coon wins.

coon must be seen.

Maybe we should just leave all the dogs at home, head out with a spot light and just see how many coon we can find??? If we're not coon hunting with hounds, to listen to them run, then why are we doing it?

It seems like the whole world is in a hurry for some reason. We need to tree and get treed now! We need to get the coon and get on... didn't we used to coon hunt for relaxation?

Maybe someone other than me is making millions off of coon hides and competition hunts, and that's why they're in such a hurry to just get treed.

JMO

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Originally posted by deschmidt27
Maybe we should just leave all the dogs at home, head out with a spot light and just see how many coon we can find??? If we're not coon hunting with hounds, to listen to them run, then why are we doing it?

It seems like the whole world is in a hurry for some reason. We need to tree and get treed now! We need to get the coon and get on... didn't we used to coon hunt for relaxation?

Maybe someone other than me is making millions off of coon hides and competition hunts, and that's why they're in such a hurry to just get treed.

JMO

David Schmidt

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competition is just that. you get the most points for the first dog to strike and most points for first dog treed. My understanding of the word competition is to compete to see who is the best at what they do. So in a coon hunt for competition you would want your dog to strike first and tree first. So in my opinion a good competition dog would be the fastest at both and the only way to tell if the dog was lying would be for us to go to the tree h is on and look for the coon. Now if your not looking to win a competition hunt a slow dog that opens every breath on track is awesome to listen to and thats great if that is what you are wanting to do. but we are talking about scratching a dog from a competition, that is competition where the dog with the highest score wins .

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Originally posted by goodtimekennel
LOL well said rules are rules if you dont like them stay at home

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Originally posted by Harley Smith
competition is just that. you get the most points for the first dog to strike and most points for first dog treed. My understanding of the word competition is to compete to see who is the best at what they do. So in a coon hunt for competition you would want your dog to strike first and tree first. So in my opinion a good competition dog would be the fastest at both and the only way to tell if the dog was lying would be for us to go to the tree h is on and look for the coon. Now if your not looking to win a competition hunt a slow dog that opens every breath on track is awesome to listen to and thats great if that is what you are wanting to do. but we are talking about scratching a dog from a competition, that is competition where the dog with the highest score wins .

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I just sold a dog 'bout 2 months ago.She was silent.Unless she was lookin straight up the coons butt.She would usually give about 2 or 3 high-pitched barks and go into a steady 100-120 barks per min.And 95% of the time,she would have the meat.She was bred up right & one of the purtiest redticks you ever laid eyes on.To be quite honest------I hated like hell to part with her.That dog thought the sun rose and set on my a#$.
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It is a breed standard that hounds open on track......There is no doubt in my mind thats where the rule stems from.

The problem with this rule is defining a silent dog.....VERY VERY few hounds are 100% silent IMO.

Bou't as many get scratched for it as there are dogs minused for babbling so I'd say its a wash...

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the reason people dont want to hunt againist a silent dog is cause 9 times out of 10 they are going to beat you ................period !!!!

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thats the type of dog im looking for! 1-2 barks then treed with the meat.

HOW MANY TIMES DOES A HOUND HAVE TO BARK ON TRACK FOR IT TO NOT BE SILENT?

Its hard to judge a dog on track if he or she is not barking.it seem to me some of you guys dont know the rules, the rules or for open-mouth track dog,silent dogs should be scratched.The reason these dogs that are silent have gotton by they have never had a strict judge put on them.That all I am going to say about that.

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Originally posted by josh
It is a breed standard that hounds open on track......There is no doubt in my mind thats where the rule stems from.

The problem with this rule is defining a silent dog.....VERY VERY few hounds are 100% silent IMO.

Bou't as many get scratched for it as there are dogs minused for babbling so I'd say its a wash...

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well thats where we differ.i dont hunt coon to listen to dogs...i have 4 beagles to listen to if i want to hang out and listen to track. most of my dogs have been open and ive hunted with a lot of open dogs. there are a lot of good ones that can smoke a coon. theres a lot of boohoo trash i wouldnt waste a CCI on. almost every silent dog i have owned or my buddies have owned are hunt to catch dogs that are independent. they show u the meat and to me thats what matters.i like shootin stuff and my dogs like killin it. works out good that way. i dont hunt for my health.

my breed standards are, u better tree coon fast. im starting up my own organization also...its called SHEE silent hound equality effort. not until all silent hounds are treated equally will it stop.hahahahahahahaha

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Originally posted by Randy Tallon
Thank you, Josh. Took the words right out of my mouth. I believe the breed standards call for....drum roll here....AN OPEN TRAILING HOUND. Rules were written to the standards...just like in the bench.

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My father-in-law has a Leopard male that is silent on track i've seen him tree ALOT of coons by himself and with others. Neither of us comp. hunt so this rule doesn't matter in our situation but in general I don't believe a hound that is open on track is a deciding factor in weather he or she is a COON dog this being said I dont believe a silent mouth track dog should be scratched in hunt. He also tends to catch them before they get to a tree from time to time. However I can see in certain cases where a silent mouth dog may set back and actually just be a me too dog at the tree. JMO

You hit the nail on the haed because I hunt Leopards Too. I have 15,000 acres in one tract to coonhunt on. Why I went to leps is because I got sickened out with why it took all 15000 acres to get a coon treed on. Not that it makes much difference but a dog that goes nearly a 1/4 of a mile to find a runnable tract has a fifty fity chance it is coming back my way and I can hear a good chase. That is the main reason I quit with Walkers . They always in my experience grabed a track so hot it did not get a chance to show me a race. The leps I hunt seem to be able to bring a coon back in my direction Over half thetime. And after a bunch of notekeeping it has proved true to me. I don't think they have collie in them to heard the coon back. It's just a fact that I can hear one strike in reasonable distance and remain on the tailgate and wait on the tailgate till he gets back with it and enjoy a race. That does not happen often enough with my Walkers.. They woud take off somewhere and stumble over a hot coon and by the time I could crank up to hear a good race he would done be treed with the meat somewhere out there.. A good example would be a buddy shows up late but wants to hunt his pups alone . I loan him a dog to check with and he putts him in a rig like bearhunters and he strikes off the rig at 50 miles per hour like a beardog 3/4 mile away, See what I mean? If he can strike at 50 mph you don't stand much of a chance of hearing a race. And I am like yall too, A race is a much different thing from an allnight Bow wow buggie...Booing. But that don't happen with the Leps I hunt. They are open and just enough to tell me what I need to know. I wish my secretary was like that, she'll tell me what i need to know AND what I don't even care about knowing LOL. If you and your Uncle JUst like to hear a dog tree then good for you. I like an Opening dog that can get to old Boo in an instant , then take that old track from him, and move it out.

i love a still mouth dog they dont seem to make as many den trees. ive seen way more coons with a still mouth dog than one that barks everytime hes foot hits the ground, thats why i coon hunt is to see coons even though i kill very few. i could care less how pretty or how loud a dog sounds on track, every dog sounds good hammering sitting under the meat.

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Originally posted by skeets
i love a still mouth dog they dont seem to make as many den trees. ive seen way more coons with a still mouth dog than one that barks everytime hes foot hits the ground, thats why i coon hunt is to see coons even though i kill very few. i could care less how pretty or how loud a dog sounds on track, every dog sounds good hammering sitting under the meat.

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