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Posted by Cory Highfill on 09-12-2011 05:39 AM:

Seems like this is an area where there isn't alot of concensus, and its a scenario (in one form or another) that plays out in alot of casts. Appreciate all the imput.

Posted by Rip on 09-12-2011 12:49 PM:

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Originally posted by Pat Bizich
Like I said I think we are failing to communicate.I think we are talking about two different things.I guess I was too busy trying to find the part in the Advisor.I am talking about a dog being at a tree and not barking.You were talking about the question that was asked to start this thread.If a dog is just there and it is carrying strike points.
I was more or less commenting on the Quote the dog has to be treeing(Barking) on off game , slick trees ,or a coon when a cast gets to the tree to get minusd on strike points.I am saying they do not have to be barking on the tree to get minused on their track "If they have been struck ".
Anyway I have found what I was looking for.Now please remember this was taken Straight from the Advisor page 34:
Question:
My second question concerns rule(4d).On a four dog cast all dogs are struck. Dogs A and C are declared treed.The cast goes to the tree after the five minutes are up.Dogs A and C are Treeing and dogs B and D are there but not barking.The coon is seen and dogs A and C are awarded plus points.The handlers voted to circle strike points for dogs B and D because they were not barking.Should they be minused for being there or do they have to be Barking?
Reply:
The answer to your second question is that dogs B and D should have received minus strike points.Rule 4(d) is very clear when it says."If they come into tree will get minus on strike and nothing on tree if coon is seen."IT HAS NEVER BEEN SAID, WRITTEN,NOR IMPLIED THAT A DOG MUST COME IN AND TREE BEFORE IT IS MINUSED.

Not trying to difficult just trying to clarify what I was saying.

Lordy you were talking about something COMPLETELY different. I guess we weren't communicating too well. That portion was answered and I didn't think we were talking about that one (situation 1).

No the dog doesn't have to be barking to be minused for his STRIKE points. You are correct in that but that wasn't what this question was about and it wasn't what I thought you were saying. All the dog has to do to get minused it's strike when a coon is seen and the dogs are plussed is come into the tree. They are minused for coming into a closed tree with a coon in it, not for treeing or not treeing.

However, the dog must be barking treed to ever be assigned TREE points and minused at an off game or slick tree. You have to have all parts of that rule present in order to award a dog any points.

As we have already said dogs get minused their STRIKE for coming into a tree if the dogs treeing are plussed. That wasn't part of the question (that is unless they are shut out on strike in which case they have no strike points to minus) LOL.

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