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Posted by POTOMAC on 09-06-2011 11:16 PM:

A coon dawg can get it done under any conditions and anywhere you put them down on the ground,mountains,swamps,sloughs,etc.... Hot,cold,anytime any conditions,any temperatures and the truth of the matter is there are very few coon dawgs out there!!!!!!!!! Now there are quite a few that can tree a coon but the coon dawg is rare and most of the great ones were born that way and just lucky enough to get into the rite hands to get a chance to polish and hone there god given talents!!!!! We need to stop throwing that word around so lightly and get back to breeding for those traits and take the all grand papers and use them in the bathroom!!! Never forget a dog has no idea nor does he or she care how much we pay for them it's not going to male them better or worse and if we don't take care of our responsibility to care for them and put them in the woods theywon't do anything!!!!!!!

Posted by intellectualist on 09-06-2011 11:30 PM:

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Originally posted by POTOMAC
A coon dawg can get it done under any conditions and anywhere you put them down on the ground,mountains,swamps,sloughs,etc.... Hot,cold,anytime any conditions,any temperatures and the truth of the matter is there are very few coon dawgs out there!!!!!!!!! Now there are quite a few that can tree a coon but the coon dawg is rare and most of the great ones were born that way and just lucky enough to get into the rite hands to get a chance to polish and hone there god given talents!!!!! We need to stop throwing that word around so lightly and get back to breeding for those traits and take the all grand papers and use them in the bathroom!!! Never forget a dog has no idea nor does he or she care how much we pay for them it's not going to male them better or worse and if we don't take care of our responsibility to care for them and put them in the woods theywon't do anything!!!!!!!

What you are saying I do agree with to some degree but it is also as if you are saying coon population has nothing to do with it. If that is what you are saying, then I think you are off base.
If a coon dog is a coon dog like you are saying and can get it done anytime anywhere, then you should be able to tree the same amount of coons (on average) in a given region in a season as any other region right? If you think this statement is true, then you either have not done much hunting in your time or you have never been out of your back yard much!
If you are taking a dog in one region and consistently seeing 3 coons for every 4 nights hunting and then treeing 3 coons for every one night hunting in a different area, it can only have to do with population. The only thing changing here is the region, or area you are hunting! I am not swapping dogs when I do this!
Last year, where I hunt two hrs. east of here, I found I think it was seven coons just "sitting up" that the dogs had not messed with. Not all in the same night, just over the course of the season.
In all my years of hunting around here close to home, I remember one time finding a coon in a persimmon tree just by randomly shining! That alone will tell you something!

Edited to make that 7 coons sitting up. I just remembered 2 more!

Posted by POTOMAC on 09-07-2011 05:10 AM:

Example! I have never seen a dog from Ohio,Midwest where coons are thick as ticks on a dogs back that could tree a coon in my area! They aren't use to going far to strike a coon coon then rarely do those coon run are tap many trees and that in my area is called a slick freeing idiot!!!!!! Most those dogs are hot nosed cover area fast looking for a hot track,in thin coon they don't hunt deep are hard enough and can't handle a hard running coon! A lot of the time it's not all the dogs fault they just have never been exposed to thin coon. So they don't know how to handle it and there is so much tree bred into dogs today well you should now what happens! A lot of people title them as coon dawns and in my opinion there not cause they can't get it done consistently anywhere there dropped!

Posted by l.lyle on 09-07-2011 06:11 AM:

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Originally posted by POTOMAC
Example! I have never seen a dog from Ohio,Midwest where coons are thick as ticks on a dogs back that could tree a coon in my area! They aren't use to going far to strike a coon coon then rarely do those coon run are tap many trees and that in my area is called a slick freeing idiot!!!!!! Most those dogs are hot nosed cover area fast looking for a hot track,in thin coon they don't hunt deep are hard enough and can't handle a hard running coon! A lot of the time it's not all the dogs fault they just have never been exposed to thin coon. So they don't know how to handle it and there is so much tree bred into dogs today well you should now what happens! A lot of people title them as coon dawns and in my opinion there not cause they can't get it done consistently anywhere there dropped!

What you just described is what I want. Except for the slick treeing part. I offer no excuse for that BS. Cover the area fast is my requirement. And when it does, I want to hear his toe nails sliding in my truck bed. For I say unto myself, should I have wanted you hunting a mile from here on the next tract, then guess what? Guess what I would have done with you dog??? I would have just turned your butt aloose over there instead of over here.

I think it takes three years or more for a coondog that fits my sensibilities to grasp the notion that the wind might get up and Master cannot hear me way to hell over here. Therefore I may go hungry for a week or so untill we gets reunited. A young un don't grasp it for sure. A one that is barely old enough to breed starts to grasp that notion since she swum the river and go on an oilandt for three days before she got thirsty enough to come on back. So now, she thinks twice about swimmin after a coon across the river. I do not want a hound from Hell and Baskerville crossed upon each other . I want one that hunts very hard , and trees very accuarate , and above all , comes back in thin coons and says unto me, 'Boss, There ain't no coons here. I got to all them No Trsspassing Signs you taught me how to read. Let' s go hither and find a coon." That is the kind of dog I require.

I enjoyed the thread about the boy making a Grand Nite out of a 8 month old pup shortly. I might would trade him even for one of my 8 weeks old pups if she makes it., Then I can take a Grand Nite and finnish her out into my kind of real dog if she does. 8 month old Grand, Get real somebody.

Posted by l.lyle on 09-07-2011 06:32 AM:

I responded to your quote but I see somebody haulbuggied before it took. Put it back up again and I shall respond to it again.

Posted by G L Weller on 09-07-2011 12:28 PM:

Re: You ever wonder.....

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Originally posted by TJ SKaggs
How many hounds have went to waste and never had a fair chance being hunted because of being in the wrong hands??
I bet the numbers are off the charts

Being in the wrong hands is a terrible thing to happen to a good prospect, I'm sure many young dogs have been ruined because they were in the wrong hands, I‘ve seen it many times. The amount of hunting time for a pup getting started is not near as important as how they are hunted and many have been screwed up long before they ever reach the young dog stage of 12 to 15 months old.

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Posted by gdblue on 09-07-2011 07:38 PM:

My view

I live in the midwest and early in the kill season and spring and summer there is plenty of coon to tree but you usually don't just turn out on top of them. However in the late December through Jan. the coon lay-up a lot when it's cold and snow on the ground and a dog has to hunt hard and have a good nose to tree a coon here. I don't like a straight line get a mile in 5 minute type of dog. A dog worth feeding learns where to look first to strike a coon and can usually hit one in a more reasonable distance. I also demand a good handling dog and train them that way. I won't hunt one very long that I can't call in if there aren't doing anything but trying to find a coon. You do not have to take the hunt out of a dog to make it handle the right way. IMO there aren't enough good handling dogs out there these days. I literally hate running after a dog in order to move or go home! I call those kind of dogs time killers! I know from what I read on here on other threads that my dogs could never measure-up to their dogs on here. However I have raised one litter of pups from my old female and had them all sold locally before they were born. Not performanced, not ss, just coutry coondogs! I love a good coon dog of any color!

Posted by Joes reticks on 09-07-2011 09:11 PM:

I agree whith you 100%

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Originally posted by POTOMAC A coon dawg can get it done under any conditions and anywhere you put them down on the ground,mountains,swamps,sloughs,etc.... Hot,cold,anytime any conditions,any temperatures and the truth of the matter is there are very few coon dawgs out there!!!!!!!!! Now there are quite a few that can tree a coon but the coon dawg is rare and most of the great ones were born that way and just lucky enough to get into the rite hands to get a chance to polish and hone there god given talents!!!!! We need to stop throwing that word around so lightly and get back to breeding for those traits and take the all grand papers and use them in the bathroom!!! Never forget a dog has no idea nor does he or she care how much we pay for them it's not going to male them better or worse and if we don't take care of our responsibility to care for them and put them in the woods theywon't do anything!!!!!!!

i agree whith this 100% right down to the allgrand papers .

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Posted by dmbaker3 on 09-08-2011 12:30 AM:

Re: You ever wonder.....

Good traits and Bad traits. Just like dogs us humans can pass it on as well.I’m talking in the lines of training a pup. I was guilty of it, truth be known. I was doing some things to a pup that in my mind I thought I was doing the right thing.I was fortunate enough to run in to a good friend who is now a very good mentour that changed my way of thinking.Eveybody has there own way of training and I’m not saying that mine is the best.However I think that there are a lot of bad training traits that get passed on that can ruin a pup.This can go into a lot of topics. The best medicine that I can pass on, just to touch the surface would be to put them in the woods by there SELF and let them do there thing. ( They can’t learn nothing by sitting in the kennel )

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Posted by TDS.Walkers on 09-08-2011 02:43 PM:

Re: Re: You ever wonder.....

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Originally posted by dmbaker3
( They can’t learn nothing by sitting in the kennel )

I have yet to see it

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Posted by Larry Atherton on 09-08-2011 04:34 PM:

Through the years I have watch several with great potential get ruined.

So it does happen.

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Posted by goodtimekennel on 09-08-2011 06:04 PM:

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Originally posted by dean jamerson
Most people chuck them pups in a pen till they are 7 to 10 months old or older pull them out take them with a pup trainer and wonder why they don't lead and why they are puking in the box.If you read 90% of the adds for young dogs for sale most is I don't have time to hunt, if a man isn't going to take time to hunt one he probably hasn't done anything else with him either. I notice you live in Ohio a lot easier to pick through those naturals when you have a coon population to expose them to. I also would be willing to bet you are fooling with pups from a specific bloodline or female. The playing in the yard till they are 4 months old makes a big difference in pups vs one that has not had that.

JMO

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not really i buy affordable pups last 1 i paid $100 for he was stylish top clover bottom he was a lazy pup thought he was gonna be a dud but at 4 1/2 mo old he saw his first coon and he (EXPLODED) i woke up at 2 am and he had broke into the building i kept the coon in an was standing nose to nose with a snarling coon, his dob 11/10/10 treed his first coonn 4 /23/11

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Posted by TDS.Walkers on 09-09-2011 02:09 PM:

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Originally posted by goodtimekennel

not really i buy affordable pups last 1 i paid $100 for he was stylish top clover bottom he was a lazy pup thought he was gonna be a dud but at 4 1/2 mo old he saw his first coon and he (EXPLODED) i woke up at 2 am and he had broke into the building i kept the coon in an was standing nose to nose with a snarling coon, his dob 11/10/10 treed his first coonn 4 /23/11 [/B][/QUOTE]

I know what you mean on affordable pups, its ridiculous on what people are asking for pups, in the 250$ range i can get along with that fine. but when you get to 400$-1000$ for an 8week old pup thats just stupid in my opinion. no matter what i breed to (world champion or grnitech) the price of the pups will never exceed 300$

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