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Re: Re: ENGLISHMAN

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Originally posted by Englishman
First off, if you think a dog treeing a coon by itself is something special then we are used to following different caliber of hounds. If im hauling a dog it will tree coon by itself consistantly unless its a young dog im working. And im sorry but the only reason that "slick handlers" can be that way is the rest of the cast either not knowing the rules or not being assertive enough to use them. I drew a "slick handler' last weekend but he got beat because I minused him when he tried to be slick. Knock the hunts all you guys want but the bottom line is if you know the rules and you're packing a coondog you're gonna win. A dog treeing a coon by itself isn't something special. It proves that its capable of doing what it was bred to do. And the part about not buying a dog that wont go hunting really doesn't pertain to the subject. That's why you try dogs before you buy,

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Originally posted by Dan Dogs
dog wins= coon loses coon wins= dog loses

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Originally posted by Jim Hill
lol so a dog that goes out and trees coons by itself isnt a winner ??

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Originally posted by Ron Ashbaugh
This is so true. It would be like calling a horse that makes it around the track itself a winner of a horse race.

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I have hunted competition for 40 years. All registries, had everything from Gr Nts to Silver Champions to Acha Little World final four winner. One thing though.... if it won't run and tree a coon by itself it doesnt stay at my place. HTX hunts prove that your dog needs no help to tree its own coon. I like them and hunt them. As to the post about the best dog always winning a cast.... thats bull lol. Any dog can and will be beaten on any given night. No one wins every cast they are in. Competition hunts do not a coondog make. Alot of dogs are better with competition... but won't hunt by theirselves. HTX proves they will.

I am Like ya'll in that I won't feed a dog that can't tree coon after coon by itself. I usually have four trained dogs and about 4 trainees. I hunt alot by myself. I hunt alot of marsh. Any finished dog I have can run and swim by itself and bring a coon out of that grass ( which I can only imagine is like the fellows that get great races in those huge cornfields). The thing is it might take any one of my dogs 1 or 2 hours to get it done by itself. Two trained dogs and two trainees usually get it chased back to the hill and up a tree in thirty minutes or catch it on the ground.

Any dog I have that acts deaf to another dog might as well go on and go all the way to deaf, dumb, blind and stupid, cause it won't stay with me.

Sometimes I do have fellows to come hunt with me. I might say "ya'll go on and turn loose I got to take the magnets out" or some other excuse. Sure enough, they will line them up and cut loose like a comp hunt. I do that for several reasons. One is I have straight dogs and have for 15 years. The other is is I like for one dog to get struck and take a dog by the collar and hold him till I'm sure he hears that dog open and send him to that dog. From then , I can only hope to get a good long chase out of it. But even if it is a short race, I want my dog to overtake that dog and beat him to the tree. That's the only way I can see what somebody has. If we turn loose together and a dog gets deep just to get by itself and do his own thing, who knows what that dog is made of?

acha make the top dogs hunt by themselves on friday nite. this pulls out the me to dogs and the coon dog that wins can tree a coon by itself. a dog must show it can tree coon alone before its makes grand nite. JMO

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i agrue ther is alot of me to dogs that i would feed them anything but a lead pill that all

I think they are good for Slow trailing and locating dogs. Mean dogs. Whiny handlers and folks that are just plain skeered of competition. LOL!!!

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Originally posted by greg stull
IF YOU ARE PACKING A REAL COON DOG EVERYONE WILL KNOW IT. IT WILL NOT MATTER IF IT IS A HUNT OR A TEST OR EVEN A PLEASURE HUNT.

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Re: Re: Re: ENGLISHMAN

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Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
I went hunting with a nite champion bluetick one time, turned him loose 3 times in the middle of winter. No leaves. 3 slick trees. Tried out a $2,500 dog back a few years ago, turned him loose 3 times, twice he never even got treed, one drop he made a 180 turn immidiately and loaded back up in the box . DId get treed on the last drop. We couldn't find a coon. Tried out a $1,500 dog for a month. He treed 2 coons in 20 turnouts. THe man said he was a coondog and he was just "rusty". Tried out a $1,000 dog that would not leave your sight in the woods unless there were other dogs for him to follow around. People can talk on this message board all day long. Talk is cheap. What happens in the woods is real.

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
.......Slow trailing and locating dogs. Mean dogs. Whiny handlers .....

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Originally posted by jackbob42
Throw in a " me - tooer " and a " babbler " and you've just described everything I've ever heard about a competition hunt ! LOL

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Re: Re: Re: Re: ENGLISHMAN

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Originally posted by T.Beyer
Jason, I noticed that you showed the prices of the dogs as the owners had them listed. What I really like is that as the potential buyer, you determined the worth of each of those dogs. Why would you fault the seller, he was trying to make a buck, you were an astute potential buyer and none of those dogs met your expectations. Good job for not getting suckered man. Too bad most other potential buyers don't hunt a dog like it should be, before they pay for it. Leave the woods happy with the dog and feel good about making the purchase. Too often people somehow manage to convince themselves that the dog they are looking at for some particular reason, is worth what the seller is asking. Sometimes it makes a guy want to hand the seller a .22 shell when they ask what you think of the dog....

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Originally posted by JiM
They aren't winners. Winning infers you had competition. They simply pass or fail.

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What would ya'll say if the guy that started this thread would have asked about Bloodlines posting HTX "passers" instead of "winners"? Would the change of language go over better?

i like HTX hunts. most guys around here don't wont them because they are scared what it might prove. I like the fact its helps weed out the me to tree snatchers that cant get it done on there own. I hunted hunts for years and done lots of winning and titled out my share of dogs for me and others. and i must say i have handled some dogs that could not handle coon on their own. they were good at cutting corners on other dogs. good handling and decent dogs wins hunt these days. drop a dog by itself, let the clock roll and see what happens. if all of these guys have dogs that can get it done, ummm whats the big deal. i say they have no one to blame when their dog falls short.

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if mine won,t tree a coon by it,s self,it won,t go to a hunt,otherwise just keep fooling yourself!!

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ENGLISHMAN

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Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
I do fault people that try to take advantage of other people. Just my opinion.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ENGLISHMAN

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Originally posted by l.lyle
Sorry , I don't know how to do two quotes at once. In my above reply I said " any dog of mine that acts deaf to another dog might as well go all the way to deaf, dumb, blind and stupid because he won't stay with me".
I would put a bullet in his head but I know somebody is looking to spend $5,000 for that worthless piece of crap and be happy.LOL Am I taking advantage of someone?

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Re: Re: Re: ENGLISHMAN

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Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
I went hunting with a nite champion bluetick one time, turned him loose 3 times in the middle of winter. No leaves. 3 slick trees. Tried out a $2,500 dog back a few years ago, turned him loose 3 times, twice he never even got treed, one drop he made a 180 turn immidiately and loaded back up in the box . DId get treed on the last drop. We couldn't find a coon. Tried out a $1,500 dog for a month. He treed 2 coons in 20 turnouts. THe man said he was a coondog and he was just "rusty". Tried out a $1,000 dog that would not leave your sight in the woods unless there were other dogs for him to follow around. People can talk on this message board all day long. Talk is cheap. What happens in the woods is real.

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If I was trying out those same four dogs, or any for that matter. In my little world of an ideal way to do it would be: Take four dogs to a sandy pine ridge at 12 noon. There would be better than a 99.9% chance they will not strike other than me cheating a little and have somebody turn a healthy coon loose 100 yards off the road I am fixing to turn loose off of 10 minutes ahead of time. I try to head all dogs in the direction of where I know the coon was turned loose. Two dogs go where they are pointed while another one goes east and the other one goes west to do their own thing forever and ever be gone amen.

From that point all kinds of things can happen: The coon might have only got 100 yards to the east and both might miss it and keep on going, no sale. One might cross it and strike and the other keeps going, one possible sale. One strikes and the other wonders what the hell he is doing on a pine hill in the middle of the day so he goes and checks and sure enough puts in with the other dog. They get a good race going and the checking dog gets ahead by a good bit. THe coon climbs and the checking dog takes awhile checking while the other catches up and locates first.
Bottom line is two dogs are out and out of the buying question, and these two will get tried again. Maybe two sales. LOL
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Originally posted by l.lyle
I am Like ya'll in that I won't feed a dog that can't tree coon after coon by itself. I usually have four trained dogs and about 4 trainees. I hunt alot by myself. I hunt alot of marsh. Any finished dog I have can run and swim by itself and bring a coon out of that grass ( which I can only imagine is like the fellows that get great races in those huge cornfields). The thing is it might take any one of my dogs 1 or 2 hours to get it done by itself. Two trained dogs and two trainees usually get it chased back to the hill and up a tree in thirty minutes or catch it on the ground.

Any dog I have that acts deaf to another dog might as well go on and go all the way to deaf, dumb, blind and stupid, cause it won't stay with me.

Sometimes I do have fellows to come hunt with me. I might say "ya'll go on and turn loose I got to take the magnets out" or some other excuse. Sure enough, they will line them up and cut loose like a comp hunt. I do that for several reasons. One is I have straight dogs and have for 15 years. The other is is I like for one dog to get struck and take a dog by the collar and hold him till I'm sure he hears that dog open and send him to that dog. From then , I can only hope to get a good long chase out of it. But even if it is a short race, I want my dog to overtake that dog and beat him to the tree. That's the only way I can see what somebody has. If we turn loose together and a dog gets deep just to get by itself and do his own thing, who knows what that dog is made of?

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I've entered my worthless GrNt in 6 of them now, passed 5. The 1 he failed he had a circle tree and I pulled him off a slick tree in a swamp to finish up his night. Lol.
IMO If you have any kind of a coondog at all the hunt tests are pretty easy. Myself I like the no pressure aspect of the hunt tests the most.
I guess it would be nice to see a list of hunt test winners in a way, but I don't think it ranks anything near what it takes to title a dog in competition though. Again, JMO.

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I can see some of us want totally different styles of dogs. Youd have to hold a gun to my head before I'd let somebody turn loose and me get my dog out and wait till it made good and sure to hear the other dogs and send it to them. Nope never gonna happen. Now I might turn some out and wait till they bark.Send mine the other way and whip its tail if it wants to go that way I dont want mine alone everytime but hope they get alone once or twice. They still make them tree a coon alone before advancing in the UKC world hunt??

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