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Originally posted by tripple river
it makes me cringe when i hear guys talk about making 220 bucket sets but it will be a cold day in he11 before i throw in with animal rights activest against any fellow outdoorsmen.you guys sound like democrats.

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I actually think some of the trappers are starting to see the writing on the wall. Trappings biggest threat is some of those in their own ranks. It is the woman's lap dog that gets caught and killed that gets on the evening news that hurts trapping as a whole.

Personally, I know many very responsible trappers who historically use 220s and now 160s with out any domestic animals caught.

I see the same thing happening with hounds. It will be those who have little regard for a person's property rights that will be the end of hounds. All responsible houndsmen should be looking within our own ranks before we look at other sporting groups.

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I coon hunt two hundred night a year or more, i also trap a little here or there. I have had two real nice females killed in 220's in the last five years! They need to be banned if u are two lazy to go check ur traps only once every few days u dont need to trap. There are plenty of other ways to catch and kill coon!

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around me its the people that live out in the country that are getting sick of there pets getting caught in traps.nothing sours a person about traps fast is when they go looking for there pet cat or dog and find it dead or tore up from being in a trap.It happens alot around here snares are just as bad in my book.

I got access to a real nice hunting spot thanks to a slob with conibears this past season . He caught the owners dog and he was gone permanently. Me, I find head sets they go in the river every time, no exceptions. Pulled a conibear off my brother in laws dog back in 76 that he paid a grand for. Caught him by the ear and that's the only thing that saved that trapper from a severe beating.

yea after we get rid of connibears lets get a law aggainst snares then we will get one on leghold traps because they can tear my dogs up to i wont stop till they can only use live traps then i would like to go after deer hunting because you know if you loose a dog in the woods during deer season there is a good chance you will find it dead.i could tell tou sad stories about what deer hunters have done to dogs during deer season.in my opinion there is nothing that makes life better than more laws.we should all join peta so they can help us get these laws pased.

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Ironically, my wife just came home from work and told me her co-worker's prized basset hound was killed in a conibear on Thursday.

The dog was roaming on they're own property. They know it was the neighbor's kid that was the trapper and they have or plan to confront him. Unfortunately, because of the pain of losing they're favorite of they're 3 bassets, her husband removed the dog from the scene without taking any pics and cremated him immediately.

I plan to contact them and urge them to call the authorities and report it, even if at this point there is nothing criminally or civilly they can do without the evidence.

Needless to say, it ruined my supper.

You guys can defend those trappers using conibears all you want. They don't belong on dry land. Period.

the next dog ya hear about getting hit on the road are you gunna wana outlaw cars on the road while your hunting? Ya can't get rid of all the dangers out there. I can see getting rid of the 220's on land but i think the 160's should still be able to be used.

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C'mon Ben. I'd bet if old Bum was running along the driveway and his life was ended by some slob trapper who thought it would be a good idea to set a conibear along the rocks on your own property where he could drive past and check it every 3-4 days, you'd be singing a different tune as well.

I understand conibears are a very efficient tool for harvesting fur. But they are also the most commonly used tool used by slob trappers with no regard for anyone else.

If trappers wanted to preserve they're sport, they'd be leading the charge to further regulate the conibears.

I have the utmost respect for a trapper who sets up and down a stretch of creek bottom, or one that uses leg holds. But these slobs that run miles and miles of roads setting 220's where they don't even need to get they're fat asses out of they're vehicles, are a disgrace to sportsmen.

I can only be politically correct for so long. Our sport is dying because we are being pushed out of the woods by trophy deer hunters and trappers passing seasons to police themselves. I don't fool myself into believing my grandchildren will actually be able to enjoy hounds at the level we do now. At this point, I just hope my kids can at least experience them awhile.

I've got no time for trappers and trophy deer hunters who are too ignorant to see the other side of the issues.

I trapped as a kid. My grandfather and great grandfather trapped. My grandfather was able to replace his income when he lost his job as a school teacher by trapping fur from the late 60's until his early death in '72.

I also deer hunt.

I try to see all sides of the issues and have enough experience to relate to both.

This news I got tonight has me a little riled up. I'll be passing they're contact info along to my Game warden, who by the way, is a trapper who doesn't use conibears.

I agree with outlawing the lazy ditch trappers that couldn't run a real trap line to save their a$$! And I have no problem getting rid of the 220's on land but used corectly the 160 can be a good tool for taking fur. No matter how much any one try's I am not gunna be convinced that all conibears should be outlawed on land.

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Originally posted by tripple river
yea after we get rid of connibears lets get a law aggainst snares then we will get one on leghold traps because they can tear my dogs up to i wont stop till they can only use live traps then i would like to go after deer hunting because you know if you loose a dog in the woods during deer season there is a good chance you will find it dead.i could tell tou sad stories about what deer hunters have done to dogs during deer season.in my opinion there is nothing that makes life better than more laws.we should all join peta so they can help us get these laws pased.

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Maybe I'm just old fashioned. I have a little respect for all outdoors men. That's why I don't steal traps and dogs. It would take the fun out of it for me to walk up on one of my traps and find a dead bird dog or hound just because it's my right to set connibears. Farmers like my dogs and lighted collars but hate traps because they have dogs.

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Originally posted by slpyhlwblues
Wow! You and your dogs must be the only important hunters in Iowa. Lets get rid of all hunting besides coon hunting. Good grief! If hunting gets banned you can best believe running your dogs will be one of the first to go. Deer hunting is very well funded. I love to coon hunt and trap. It's hard to defend both sides some times. I will say that a 220 is better suited for water sets, but to say that all body grippers(160 and smaller size) have no place on dry land is just false. Keep in mind that most of these incidences are caused by irresponsible and illegally set trappers. Don't lump us all into one bunch

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If us coonhunters start a bunch of crap with the trappers we will get our butts handed to us we went through this about 25 years ago and now we have to wait till saturday at 8am before we can coonhunt.so keep it up and we will have a closed off season.

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If us coonhunters start a bunch of crap with the trappers we will get our butts handed to us we went through this about 25 years ago and now we have to wait till saturday at 8am before we can coonhunt.so keep it up and we will have a closed off season.hey better yet i had a dog hit by a car lets outlaw driving after dark unless your a coonhunter

Well if you take a right from one person what right will you take from me? If these laws get any tighter what part of a Free country am I living in?

i dont trap & i dont like 220s or snares but i dont like new laws on sportsmen even more.im of the well either hang together or well hang apart mentality i guess.

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Originally posted by Ryan T
Well if you take a right from one person what right will you take from me? If these laws get any tighter what part of a Free country am I living in?

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josh

its a chance you take everytime you cut.

I support trappers, wish I had the time to trap myself but I still don't agree with 220's on land. All trappers will admit they have had accidental catches whether it be a dog or a farm cat. You can cut the snare off anything (except a skunk lol) but 220's are just too unforgiving. Aron Neiland's right, plenty of other ways to kill a coon. If trappers want to use 220's I'd like to see some restrictions. Banning the use of 220's on dry land doesn't take away their sport at all. Set those bucket sets in the trees for all I care.

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Originally posted by pigsit
In my state conibears are only legal in water sets; but that doesn't keep trappers from making illegal sets. If you want to see this bill pass; just circulate a picture of a dog, caught in a conibear to your legislators. Tom

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If I remember correctly, the conibears were highly supported by the animal rights groups when they were first introduced as being a more humane way to trap wildlife. No struggle, instant death, no escape, a more humane way to trap and kill! No discrimination! The anti's managed to sink this wedge between the trappers and houndsmen some 25 years ago. We are still fighting and stay seperated even today! The moral of the story: There 25 years ahead of us. We all need to put our heads together after all are we not both FUR HARVESTERS?

At some point trappers and coon hunters are going to have to be attached at the hip< that is if we want to keep our rights to do what we both love to do.....

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We loose several hounds localy each year to 220's and snares . Ever seen a dogs windpipe and neck slashed by a snare ? How about in June ? Snares are so cheap there are thousands left in the woods a year. I rarely even hunt during season and if I do it is only in places that I know are not trapped. I usualy find 5 or 6 snares during the summer on state land . At least the conibears cost money so they usualy make an effort to gather all of them up . If it would not have reprocussions for the hounds I would personally like to see both conibears and snares banned , but that probally would not happen . I will say though that I do firmly believe bucket sets should definately be banned in my opinion .

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well folks i live in nwmo and i do COON HUNT & TRAP!!!! in the winter time this is my living do to working farm work by choice and i can tell you one thing.. the guys that are using connies and snares ARE NOT TRUE TRAPPERS !!!!!!! connies are ment for bever!!!!!!! and under water i have over 800 traps and only 3dz are connies... i am not braggin but i put 348 coons on the bords this year.. trappin and coonhuntin so this shows you dont need them 1 1/2 dbl coilspring will catch every thing but cats and yotes so YES I WILL SUPPORT THAT BILL ALL THE WAY AND I AM A DIE HARD TRAPPER !!!!!! SO IF YOU CATCH MY HOUND WE WILL HAVE TROUBLE!!!!!!

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