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Posted by dixiewalker1 on 12-25-2010 03:58 PM:

Im not disrespecting the breeder nor am i jealous over anything I just see one more person takeing advantage of someone else and that person being takine advantage of is at fault its my fault if i pay a crazy price for a pup but if we all stick together and stop paying the crazy prices the price hikeing will stop just like everything else if you can charge it and someone will pay you for it well fine thats life but it shouldnt be that way im not wanting to be a breeder. The outside world of coonhunting thinks that coon hunting is a poor mans sport that could not be futher from the truth to get started in this sport for a decent hound,tracking system so that you dont loose that dog a shocking system to help you train him your lite your boots and everything else that goes along with this sport it adds up to be quit an exspencive sport but I love to coon hunt just love there is very little besides God and my family that brings me as much joy and happiness than to turn my dogs lose and to listien to them get struck an track and fall treed I just love it.and im going to keep doing it till the good Lord takes it away from me like I said I wasnt trying to disrespect any breeder or nor was I trying to find a hand out just feed up with the prices of everything and seeing all theses beautiful hounds with crazy prices just voiceing my God giving right.So know I hope they deleat this post.


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Posted by bigdiezel79 on 12-25-2010 04:03 PM:

Dixiewalker I wasnt sayn you was being disrespectful or jealous I was just sayn there is alot of that in out sport now. I totally know how you feel when i look in the magazines and see 8 week old pups for 1500$. But as long as somebody will pay that much there will always be some pups sold for that much.

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Posted by Justin Smith on 12-25-2010 04:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by bigdiezel79
So every high price hound is off a brood gyp? That has low standards? And just because they paid big money for it they are not gonna cull it?? Justin, Look im not here to argue with you. Im just sayn you are blowing things up you act like high price dogs are the end of the coon hunting world.. Folks DO NOT have to buy these high price pups..And furthermore there are not that many out there.. There are tons and tons of post on here for pups from 125 to 350 dollars.. I just do not see your point..


No those are seperate ideas that do more harm than good and it's like peeing in the pool ... if you want to pee your pants , fine .. but get out of the pool first so the rest of us aren't effected.

High prices paid for pups make it harder to cull them and increase the likelyhood of a person breeding that gyp to " get their money back' and because " she's out of good dogs" ....


Keep the prices where folks can afford to cut their losses and these gyps have to make their pups valuable because they are good gyps and not because their daddy sold for a bunch or whatever ...


If that doesn't make sense to you ... then hopefully , you at least do have the sense to leaving breeding to those more qualified .

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Posted by JiM on 12-25-2010 04:17 PM:

High prices paid for pups make it harder to cull them and increase the likelyhood of a person breeding that gyp to " get their money back' and because " she's out of good dogs" ....


I don't agree with that at all. I have buried more than a few $500 to $900 pups over the years and so have others in this area. I don't know of a single instance of someone breeding or even continueing to feed a chiteater just because they paid big money for it as a pup.

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Posted by Justin Smith on 12-25-2010 04:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
High prices paid for pups make it harder to cull them and increase the likelyhood of a person breeding that gyp to " get their money back' and because " she's out of good dogs" ....


I don't agree with that at all. I have buried more than a few $500 to $900 pups over the years and so have others in this area. I don't know of a single instance of someone breeding or even continueing to feed a chiteater just because they paid big money for it as a pup.



That is your experience , just like someone else can say they have seen it happen lots .... neither adds up to the big picture , they are both just very small samples of what is going on .

You seem like a hunter and a real genuine guy ... it's no surprise that your friends are of the same caliber and of course you will not have seen it much .. and folks yall meet probably straighten up in our presence .


Paying an inflated price for anything on this Earth changes how that product is treated .... physics and the laws of the universe don't change just for coonhunters even though coonhunters do try to change them .

I have imported hunting dogs ... payed more in shipping alone than most pay for dogs and payed good money to get good dogs ... and I too cull heavily and take my losses on the chin ... but , to ignore that most aren't like that isn't me being honest or smart ... it'd just be bringing it up to brag on myself ... and that's what most folks are really doing when they get on here and talk about how money doesn't effect how folks treat pups ...

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Posted by dixiewalker1 on 12-25-2010 04:27 PM:

bigdiezel79 thats just the point i was trying to make if everyone was to stand up and say enough is enough then the high priced breeders would have no other choice but to drop the prices of theses pups price the pups so that everyone can afford them poor people hunt the hunts just as much as the big dogs get them pups out there so that they will have a chance as soon as my dog is ready for the hunts he'll be in them I might not travel the country to do it but i will drive a reasonable way's to get the job done im not in it for the breeding or for the money just for the love of my dog's for the love of the hunt and for the self satisfaction of training my dog and winning for my self. THATS ALL

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Posted by e.t.sawyerjr on 12-25-2010 04:31 PM:

PRICE INCREASES

WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DELETE YOU POST.
THIS CALLS ATTENTION TO INFLACTION. WHICH WE TAKE FOR GRANTED. AS LONG AS THERE IS CHEAP MONEY AND WE CONTINUE TO LIVE ABOVE OUR INCOME, WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

40 YRS AGO PUPS SOLD FROM $ 10 TO $ 300.
GAS .25 PER GAL

IF YOU PUT JUST A 10 TIMES INCREASE TO THAT PUPS SHOULD BE SELLING FROM $ 100 TO $ 3000.
GAS 2.95
NOT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE IN RELATION TO JUST GAS.

WE FIND IT HARD TO DEAL WITH WHEN IT COMES TO OUR SPORT.

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Posted by Larry Wood on 12-25-2010 04:35 PM:

all i want to know is how and why do you know whats best for another man's property? or business

Posted by Justin Smith on 12-25-2010 04:36 PM:

Re: PRICE INCREASES

quote:
Originally posted by e.t.sawyerjr
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DELETE YOU POST.
THIS CALLS ATTENTION TO INFLACTION. WHICH WE TAKE FOR GRANTED. AS LONG AS THERE IS CHEAP MONEY AND WE CONTINUE TO LIVE ABOVE OUR INCOME, WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

40 YRS AGO PUPS SOLD FROM $ 10 TO $ 300.
GAS .25 PER GAL

IF YOU PUT JUST A 10 TIMES INCREASE TO THAT PUPS SHOULD BE SELLING FROM $ 100 TO $ 3000.
GAS 2.95
NOT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE IN RELATION TO JUST GAS.

WE FIND IT HARD TO DEAL WITH WHEN IT COMES TO OUR SPORT.



But hides were worth far , far more in relation to the economy than now ....

There were far , far fewer pups availabe back then too .. and fewer titled dogs and fewer registries ...


So ... those two factors alone are more relevant to pup prices than what gas is ... how is the oil market related to coonhound prices again , lol ?

If yall want to talk money .. then price a pup according to how much I can earn back and what my chances are of earning it back with that pup .... in that context that makes more money sense .... pups are worth about $5 each !

On the other hand .. it's a hobby ... tell me what about the parents makes those pups worth money and what are my chances that one pup will make me a coondog ... in that context , pups are worth a little more ... about $50 each , maybe $100 for a proven cross .

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Posted by bigdiezel79 on 12-25-2010 04:40 PM:

Well justin if you go by what A pup can win In PKC is guess those 1000$ pups are really cheap when you consider the thousands they can win for you.....

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Posted by Justin Smith on 12-25-2010 04:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Larry Wood
all i want to know is how and why do you know whats best for another man's property? or buisness ?



then you don't believe in having any laws ? No Better Business Burueae ? No laws against dumping toxic waiste in your back yard ?

Everyone and everything in the universe is connected ... whether you believe in God or in Science or both ... we are all part of something and owe it to each other to do what is right ...

In nature , there are self inflicted consequences ... but Man has left that world and we have to regulate each other when needed .. sadly .

The only ones that have a problem with that ... or some form of Quality Control ... or the ones that have something to be afraid of !

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Posted by Justin Smith on 12-25-2010 04:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by bigdiezel79
Well justin if you go by what A pup can win In PKC is guess those 1000$ pups are really cheap when you consider the thousands they can win for you.....


Combine what they win with my chances of winning it silly ... by your logic ... lottery tickets would cost a million dollars each ... does that make sense to you ?

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Posted by Larry Wood on 12-25-2010 04:45 PM:

so you or some one like you get to tell everyone what their property is worth come on whats the enviromental impact of one more me too dog ?the feds are raping the majority of us every friday and this is what you make a stand on ? come on !! so tell me what kinda truck you have so i can buy it for what i think it is worth !

Posted by bigdiezel79 on 12-25-2010 04:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Larry Wood
so you or some one like you get to tell everyone what their property is worth come on whats the enviromental impact of one more me too dog ?the feds are raping the majority of us every friday and this is what you make a stand on ? come on !! so tell me what kinda truck you have so i can buy it for what i think it is worth !


All he wants to do is argue Larry... Not a post he has made make any sense. If he dislikes coon hunting that much he should just quit and leave the rest of us alone..

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Posted by dixiewalker1 on 12-25-2010 04:56 PM:

Im not saying I know whats best for another mans business I might not but I sure as HECK know the difference between right and wrong.I want ever pay that much for a dog.I only paid a 150$ for my male pup that I have know and I just love him and im very happy with how he is coming along but when my 12yr old son gets on here and sees a pup that he likes and he gets on here day after day to look at him cause he loves the way he looks and really want that pup and he ask me why does that pup cost so much daddy I wish we had the money to get him well it hurts him and that breaks my heart he's 12 and he knows that puppy prices that are high is wrong not because ive cried about it to him but because I have raised him right and tought him right from wrong this world is a crazy place full of all kinds of people some good some bad but us as brothers in coon hunting should stick together and help each other out not a hand out but really want to see everyone happy everyone winning not trying to step all over everyone they can to get to the top there has to be a winner an a looser I know but we should all strive to get along and make it together no one person or dog is better than the next we all have our days were we shine bright and we all have days were we fall short were only human.

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Posted by bigdiezel79 on 12-25-2010 04:59 PM:

Dixiewalker we arent talking about you my friend we are talking about this Justin Smith guy....

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Posted by dixiewalker1 on 12-25-2010 05:04 PM:

I know im just saying in generial that all oh and by the way how is your red dog named diezel doing since you got him back from Terry i talked to you awhile back during the summer i hunted with terry and diezel some while he was ther i thought he was a nice dog

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Posted by plottnation on 12-25-2010 05:05 PM:

You can find a free hound pup if you look around people give pups to youth hunter all the time .No one has a monopoly on coonhounds.

Posted by Larry Wood on 12-25-2010 05:06 PM:

i'm not talking about anybody i'm talking to you ! i just don't think it's anybody's place to tell another man the worth of something he has for sale ! demand will dictate that ! and its a hard knock life take what you have and make the most of it !!! i was born with no cloths on just like you and the ones on my back i worked out just like the next man !

Posted by dixiewalker1 on 12-25-2010 05:11 PM:

well thats good for you You dont see the point im trying to make thats fine i dont expect you too you have an opin just like i do

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Posted by dixiewalker1 on 12-25-2010 05:13 PM:

And I dont want anyone to give me anything If I want something Ill earn it I just dont like seeing people being takeing advantage of and if that happines well its there faults

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Posted by john Duemmer on 12-25-2010 05:17 PM:

A man can ask whatever he wants for his pups. Its pretty hard for me to believe that anyone would shell out 2500 for a pup and i would have to see the greenbacks change hands with my own eyes to believe it. Even the very best reproducers bread to the best females only produce a small percentage of exceptional dogs, and hard as it to admit Justin makes some good points. I see from his signature that he is a Lipper fan and this over hyped litter of impact is the perfect example of a litter of pups that will impact the breed by being bread wheather they turn out or not. In my way of thinking pups should be cheaper a TOP hounds should cost a ton of money. Now theres 2 litters of these lipper pups gonna be mixed back into the gene pool and if you dont think its gonna effect the walker breed your crazy. Let me know when you hear of any of those pups being culled.LOL.

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Posted by David Stevensni on 12-25-2010 05:41 PM:

puppy prices

i buy "pr"bred dogs 100 to 200 a pup. they have alot of the same breeding and if hunted have a good chance to make a good dog. it takes a lot of time any money to get them titals on there dogs so they can even sell there pups. by selling them for a high price the pups mite have a better chance of getting the training they need and not left on the chain then called no good after a year. all the big name dogs started out "pr" dogs get a pup before they get there titals.please don't kill me on my spelling

Posted by Justin Smith on 12-25-2010 06:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Larry Wood
i'm not talking about anybody i'm talking to you ! i just don't think it's anybody's place to tell another man the worth of something he has for sale ! demand will dictate that ! and its a hard knock life take what you have and make the most of it !!! i was born with no cloths on just like you and the ones on my back i worked out just like the next man !



If you want to borrow money on a house , someone has to come appraise it and tell you what your property is worth .

If you want to sell a truck , you look up the blue book and that is what it's worth .


The county assessor comes by and tells you what your property is worth .


Every insurance policy against property is based on what others think your property is worth .

In business , there are laws to prevent price gouging ... not a single one of us could afford to buy gasoline if this were not true .. and still some gas stations and such still get in trouble now and then ... yall seriously never heard the term ?

Without leadership and laws ... we would all still be serfs , endentured servants or just plain slaves to those with old money or power .

This stuff doesn't change or become wrong just because we are talking about hounds ... it just shows how far removed the working man has become from reality and why Obama got elected ....

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Posted by dixiewalker1 on 12-25-2010 07:25 PM:

well I might be middle to low income but obama never has and never will get my vote I choose to be republican for my views and beliefs i just wish this world could work things out and people were just honest and would get off there a$# and public assc and work for a living and earn there keep for people to be thoughtfull of others and yes its nice to have money and to be able to afford the finer things in life but money and greed has taking over this world we live in dark desperate times where its every man for him selves we no longer love thy neighbor nor thy selves .we no longer reach out our hand to help someone else inneed we cant cause people take kindness for weakness and in return will stab you in the back.Its eaiser for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter throught the gates of hevan once agin why cant we all come together for the betterment of our sport and for our breeds to work together as equals and not aginst each other. If I truly offended anyone by my threads well then Im truly sorry please forgive me I just want things to get better for all of us across the board Happy Holidays and Happy New Year

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