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Posted by Bluedogman on 12-02-2010 05:19 PM:

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Originally posted by Okie Dawg
The inborn trait is to run with it's head up. It is't born knowing how to drift. If it naturaly runs with it's head up it has to learn to drift to find any thing. Well drift or air scent.A dog can't track with its head up.
Other than that it would have to be learned by a dog that naturaly runs with it's head down from experances of catching a hot trail in the air while it's head is up and learning to work it.
Personaly one that knows how to do both would be my choise. A natural track dog that has learned to trail and air scent.

Naturally I disagree with your theory.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 12-02-2010 05:33 PM:

I think old Dave Dean gets some credit for gettin the blue dogs nose outa the mud Rumer had it there was a little bird dog blood involved. MAYBE,,,,,,,,,

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Posted by Bluedogman on 12-02-2010 05:34 PM:

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
I think old Dave Dean gets some credit for gettin the blue dogs nose outa the mud Rumer had it there was a little bird dog blood involved. MAYBE,,,,,,,,,

I don't doubt that either.

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Posted by Ray&Luie on 12-02-2010 07:55 PM:

Drifting

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
I think old Dave Dean gets some credit for gettin the blue dogs nose outa the mud Rumer had it there was a little bird dog blood involved. MAYBE,,,,,,,,,

Hey if it Made better Dogs u should Thank him

i wouldent be above it my self if i thought it would ad somthing Beneficial to the Dogs abilitys to Persue and Tree game with an open trail...........

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Posted by Bluedogman on 12-02-2010 08:11 PM:

Re: Drifting

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Originally posted by Ray&Luie
Hey if it Made better Dogs u should Thank him
i wouldent be above it my self if i thought it would ad somthing Beneficial to the Dogs abilitys to Persue and Tree game with an open trail...........

If he did he was not by himself in that. That was a pretty common thing I'm sure.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 12-02-2010 08:27 PM:

Lets remember too that some of this ability comes from the old foxhounds that produced what we hunt now. The fox hunters call a dog that drifts a track a cutter because they would get ahead by circleing out ahead and cutting the track ahead of where a lose was made.. Where ever it comes from it sure is neat to have.

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Posted by Bluedogman on 12-02-2010 08:29 PM:

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Lets remember too that some of this ability comes from the old foxhounds that produced what we hunt now. The fox hunters call a dog that drifts a track a cutter because they would get ahead by circleing out ahead and cutting the track ahead of where a lose was made.. Where ever it comes from it sure is neat to have.

Very true!

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Posted by l.lyle on 12-02-2010 08:57 PM:

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Lets remember too that some of this ability comes from the old foxhounds that produced what we hunt now. The fox hunters call a dog that drifts a track a cutter because they would get ahead by circleing out ahead and cutting the track ahead of where a lose was made.. Where ever it comes from it sure is neat to have.

The way you describe cutter, that characteristic is nice! The local terminology for cutter is a dog that gets so far behind the pack it basically waits for the pack to swing back and cut across to catch back up.LOL

Posted by Ray&Luie on 12-02-2010 09:11 PM:

Cutter

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
Lets remember too that some of this ability comes from the old foxhounds that produced what we hunt now. The fox hunters call a dog that drifts a track a cutter because they would get ahead by circleing out ahead and cutting the track ahead of where a lose was made.. Where ever it comes from it sure is neat to have.

If u want to hear a bunch of Fox hunters grublin and Cussin , let someone bring a cutter to a hunt, a cutter dosent do anything but mess a good hunt up1 Reason is, most of the time they cant handle the track when they get it , and mess up the rest of the hounds. its almost like a a babbler getting in front and leading the pack away from the track ........

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Posted by Matt McKinney on 12-02-2010 11:13 PM:

What exactly do people mean when they say "drift a track"

Posted by Bluedogman on 12-03-2010 12:20 AM:

What it means to me is a dog following a faint scent in the direction he knows it is going picking it up here an there until he is able to tree the animal.

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Posted by l.lyle on 12-03-2010 12:27 AM:

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Originally posted by Bluedogman
What it means to me is a dog following a faint scent in the direction he knows it is going picking it up here an there until he is able to tree the animal.

Good description. Kind of the opposite of snorting and blowing every step.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 12-03-2010 09:42 AM:

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Originally posted by Matt McKinney
What exactly do people mean when they say "drift a track"

Most hunting hound men I have talked to calls drifting a dog that runs with its head up but staying in the scent pool of the track.
Immagine a mile of small ditch with smoke comeing out of it. The smoke is riseing at about a thirty degree angle to the north.
Now get on the north side of the ditch. If you get to close to the ditch your head comes out of the smoke. If you get to far north the smoke goes over your head. Now shut your eyes and try to keep you head in the smoke. By the way the ditch with the smoke in it that you have to try and follow isn't straight. It winds like a creek in every direction. You have to DRIFT back and forth to keep in the smoke.
To the rest of the world drifting is what they call it when a dog can no longer smell the track or the trail and they go out and catch small bits of scent in the clumps of grass and other moist places were scent can hide from the son and wind and survive the longest. It is extreamly slow and not very accurate but blood hounds have followed it for days after it was layed.
If a coon dog has to resort to droping it's head and stradeling a track till he can warm it up and go it is going to be slower than most want to mess with.

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Posted by Bluedogman on 12-03-2010 10:50 AM:

I'd like to see some others' descriptions of what they think a track drifting dog does.

I am in my third generation of Blueticks that do it. I think it is bred into the lines that have it. My dogs got it from those before them I think. I don't think they learned how to do it but pulled it up from within. We are not talking about track straddling or wandering all over the woods trying to follow a scent.

I have seen it in the field, not read it in someone's book or had it told to me by someone else. I do not have snow to prove the route the dog follows to get it done...but I have been in the right place at the right time and seen it with my own eyes and I know what I witnessed

Lets hear from some other experienced hound people.

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Posted by l.lyle on 12-03-2010 11:27 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bluedogman
I'd like to see some others' descriptions of what they think a track drifting dog does.

I am in my third generation of Blueticks that do it. I think it is bred into the lines that have it. My dogs got it from those before them I think. I don't think they learned how to do it but pulled it up from within. We are not talking about track straddling or wandering all over the woods trying to follow a scent.

I have seen it in the field, not read it in someone's book or had it told to me by someone else. I do not have snow to prove the route the dog follows to get it done...but I have been in the right place at the right time and seen it with my own eyes and I know what I witnessed

Lets hear from some other experienced hound people.

Well this hyars what I think since you axed for it. In snow I recon you can see a coon track and a dog track and do real good and even better if you could annalize those tracks to see if the coon was five minutes ahead or an hour. But that's just my guess cause I ain't seen much snow. But now lets take Garmin, It tells you where one dog is compared to another dog and how far that dog was ahead of another dog. Now lets put Garmin on a coon too and , guess what ? you see two sets of tracks in the snow, so to speak, and Garmin will tell you (don't need to be no GURU) how far the coon is ahead of the dog. And we can get rid of all this BS hypothesizin about sniffin. JMO.
Who cares if a dogs nose is plowing a furrow through the snow or slung over his shoulder and up his ___ in that case?

Posted by Bluedogman on 12-03-2010 11:33 AM:

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Originally posted by l.lyle
Well this hyars what I think since you axed for it. In snow I recon you can see a coon track and a dog track and do real good and even better if you could annalize those tracks to see if the coon was five minutes ahead or an hour. But that's just my guess cause I ain't seen much snow. But now lets take Garmin, It tells you where one dog is compared to another dog and how far that dog was ahead of another dog. Now lets put Garmin on a coon too and , guess what ? you see two sets of tracks in the snow, so to speak, and Garmin will tell you (don't need to be no GURU) how far the coon is ahead of the dog. And we can get rid of all this BS hypothesizin about sniffin. JMO.

Well that sounds good to me but accomplishing it ... well that might be harder to do. It would however clear up some of the "Smoke Blowing" so to speak.

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Posted by l.lyle on 12-03-2010 11:40 AM:

Heck, I can't even afford a Garmin for my dog much less an island worth of coons to watch tracks on. LOL

Posted by Bluedogman on 12-03-2010 11:44 AM:

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Originally posted by l.lyle
Heck, I can't even afford a Garmin for my dog much less an island worth of coons to watch tracks on. LOL

That makes two of us!

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Posted by Bluedogman on 12-03-2010 11:55 AM:

...and if i did I might not see what I THINK I SEE!

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Posted by l.lyle on 12-03-2010 11:59 AM:

I know the vampire blood is about to show up in me . It's dang near daylight . I gotta go.

Posted by Bluedogman on 12-03-2010 12:04 PM:

After further thought Mr Lyle Sir... I think I'll search E Bay for a dog book on the fine points of dog doins written by a dog. I'll shoot it across the river to you as soon as I learn all I always wanted to know from it.! Might take a while now!

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Posted by Bluedogman on 12-03-2010 12:04 PM:

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Originally posted by l.lyle
I know the vampire blood is about to show up in me . It's dang near daylight . I gotta go.

Have a good days rest. Night will come!

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Posted by Bluedogman on 12-03-2010 02:51 PM:

I was hoping to hear from Ray and Loui but I guess they are skeert!

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Posted by Bluedogman on 12-03-2010 02:54 PM:

Larry???

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Posted by Casey on 12-03-2010 03:50 PM:

I'm just going to mention dogs not ever talked about on the board.

These were all out of GRFCH GRWCH GRNIECH GRCH FARONY'S BLUE STEEL RUGER (out of screwdriver) and a Jet 5xscout female. They are
GRFCH GRWCH GRNITECH GRCH LOLLY'S POCKET BLUE ROCK
FCH GRWCH GRNITECH GRCH FARONY'S BLUE STELL REMINGTON (1field and she will be quad grand)
FCH WCH GRNITECH GRCH FARONKY'S SATURDAY NIGHT SPECIAL (4 field and 2 water races towards quad grand) he was way ahead of my female at her last field trial
NITECH GRCH FARONY'S BLUE STEEL RUGER 2 (has 3 nitech wins)
I hunted with special last week and he treed 3 layups and no other dog opened its mouth. Loud with a super fast chop.

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