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Yea, I believe I remember you getting that redtick dog and it looks great! It sounds like you are bringing those hounds along and they are treating you right. Congrats on all the catches and don't be afraid to share...........

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Thanks for the link. I went and watched the one bear tree and will watch more when I have more time. Those dogs are treeing hard and looking good Bucknaze......so you still running on bear? Are you boys gonna fill the quota this year? Ours opened re-opened last Monday after the elk and deer hunters got out of the filed but finding any bears will be tough. A buddy of mine has a tag and we're gonna go try and dig out a big one but will need some luck getting him started.

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Thanks Ike, that plott you see there is about 5 months old when this was filmed. That was my 50th bear tree of the year. Ended up with 61 bears but decided to let the dogs rest for awhile till cats come around. Treed that Tom this last weekend on Saturday. Was running a new dog for a buddy, got a cold strike and figured I would run it and see how the dog did. Thought it was a bear. Think there were 2 cats together as one of my females split along with my buddies new dog. Anyways that plott is jsut over 6 months old now and another walker/bluetick I have, and Moose (the red and white dog) treed this Tom. It jumped tree once and then went up into a tall skinny lodgepole pine. They have come a long ways since next year. Hopefully be able to put up triple digits on bears next year, shooting for a 100. That was a nice big ol problem bear you had there on your pictures, the first one, and some big Toms I have seen before in your pics.

Yea, that was a pretty good boar and one that needed to die before it crossed the line. We ran him down (for the fish and game) just a couple days before the bowhunt and there must have been a hundred campers strung out across those parks, most of them empty that week waiting for the weekend hunt. That bear was raiding campers, taking what he wanted and maybe just a day or two away from getting on a kid or something, so he was a good one to take out. He treed twice and stayed anchored the second time, dogs all did well and came out clean......gotta love it!

Yes, it sounds like your hounds are dong well and you have a big appetite for running hounds--nothing wrong with that. I'm feeding eight and hunting six with the other two retired, but my son has two of my pups that were yearlings last summer and they are running hard and going with the old man as they can. Both are as fast as I've ever seen, hard on tree, love to trail and the most athletic dogs I've ever seen. I'm pumped and ready to roll..........

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Yeah I know how that goes. I work for our Tribal Fish and Wildlife. Get lots of calls from Tribal police and the tribe to come try and run lions that are around peoples houses and bears. Got a lot of lion calls but couldnt quite put an end to em. Now that they know what a lion is for sure should have some more success. This was the first lion any of them had seen. I know they have ran them before but would lose them in some hard spots. We have a couple monster bears Im trying to catch. One is a huge dump bear that Im sure is over 500lbs pretty easy and a 21" skull. He needs to be taken care of because of the people who work at the dump, but he only comes in at night and has done it for over 5 years but he's probably in his teens in age. Thanks though, these trashy dogs got a long ways to go! Had a deer race yesterday, my own fault for not keeping these dogs running the last few weeks. After a garmin the next thing on the list is a tri-tronics for all my dogs!

Yup, I run a six collar tri-tronic system and use it most of the time on my hounds and it just eliminates any of the crap a guy has to put up with. Bottom line, when I'm ready to quit or go to the house they come to daddy.......

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Well Bucknaze, if you stay after the lions like you have after the bears the day will come when they will hammer down a dirt lion track like a bunch of old lion hounds--which is what they will be by then. Mine (contrary to disbelief and jealousy) will hammer down a lion track til they catch it or til there isn't any scent left in the track, then they'll dig and scratch until I'm sick of it; they'll also rig lion and bear tracks continually that they can't (or hardly can) move which doesn't put much game in the tree but shows me a track I missed or gives us something to play with.

A buddy and his son went out with me this past week and we rigged a couple lions while looking for a bear. One of those lion tracks was probably a catchable track and the others not, but personally I'm more proud of a pack of rig dogs that'll blow air from the box on an old lion track than getting treed.

I took an old hound dogger out a couple years back to watch my red dogs rig and we found fresh bears, old bears, bobcats and lions from those two rig dogs during a summer month. We waiting until too late in the day to turn out so I apologized for not getting something treed for him. He responded, "I've been to a lot of trees over the past forty years which doesn't mean alot to me anymore, but watching those two red dogs rig did."

That old hounddogger has hunted with just about any old timer that ever caught a lion out West in the past forty years, trained and sold dogs to most of the young lion hunters in this area, and in his prime probably did it as well as any man who ever hunted behind a hound. I agreed with him that going to a tree off a hot rig is nothing compared to watching a couple veteran rig dogs work the platform............

In my opinion, there are lots of levels a guy experiences if he stays in hounds long enough (and keeps the same hounds) to witness. Where I hunt, a guy starts with walking a hound down a snow lion track, then dumping them on an overnight snow lion track, then starting them on a day old lion track in the snow, then semi-open ground with some snow and mostly dirt, then just the dirt out of the snow time, then rigging hot lion tracks and finally rigging cold ones. When a guy makes a dog that'll do the latter then he'll about covered the spectrum.

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We hunt plotts mostly. I hunt with a good friend and his dad. They have about 10 dogs between the 2 of them, and I have 3 dogs. 2 7 month old high power pups(lol), and 1 old blue/ tri colored english lookin dog.

If I can figure out how to post a picture on this site I will. This dang thing is smarter than I am.

Walkers is there any other breed! Hhahahahaha an I've some how ended up with a black dog and a English but there only here to get me through the season!

Thats the only way I have caught cats so far. Off the rig, no snow. You wouldnt believe the amount of bears we have. Someone once saw (yes saw) 16 bears within a mile. That is seeing, imagine how many he didnt see in that mile radius. And this was from the road driving! So to rig many lions is hard to saw, as well as bobcats. We just dont have the dust you guys got. Hard packed down roads for the most part. To find a track is near impossible. I dont find a track when my dogs rig a bear. I throw them down and they sometimes have to go 1/4-1/2 mile down in the bottom of the drainage before they find the track in the creek. Most bears I rig and start arent crossing the road, ever. I found 6 or 7 bear tracks in the snow yesterday, younger dog struck one out of the box. It was decent track, maybe 5" across, just didnt want to run a bear. The other tracks looked smaller and a couple sows and older cubs. The snow level here was at around 3000' which made it hard to find much snow at all. Only on our tallest ridges could you find a dusting of snow. Hard tracking. Walker9615 I think you will find their are great dogs in all breeds, had a buddy that had all walkers. His main female died and he sold all of them off and now has a walker, blueticks, plott, and a mix. He is leaning away from full walkers now and like me I think he likes the walker/bluetick crosses. They are gritty, fast, smart, and have good feet. A lot of walkers I have seen have had hurt feet after running one day on bear. Ive ran my 6 days straight and on the 7th day on a monster boar they got tired and were very slow. I dont have a problem with walkers at all. My best dogs dad was a pure walker dog that could straight do it all day whenever, whereever. His son (my lead dog) is a Redtick/Walker. Looks just like his dad but red and white. My buddies best dog was a walker/trigg that just got killed by a bear this year. A lot of my dogs have walker, they have a lot to bring to the table, but a lot of other breeds you will find something that may be lacking in the walkers, who knows. Look at Ike, he hunts english looking dogs, red dogs, plotts, walker/bluetick crosses. I have a plott that has been making bear races since 4 1/2 months old and treeing with the older dogs. Already striking and at 6 1/2 months old has been to quite a few bear trees and hasnt missed one. Striking, trailing, treeing, and his first lion treed his little butt off. My Cameron bluetick pup started treeing on wild bears when I walked him into the tree at 3 months old. He was baying a coon at 7 weeks old or so. Those plotts are fast! If you want a bear dog look for a plott! Not that other breeds dont have good bear dogs but I think it is just what those plotts were made for

I agree dogs are just like people good an bad in all breeds but everyone has a preference an mine is WALKERS I to have a English an a plott but would rather have a walker. Both dogs are great bear dogsbut i dont cross breed an some of the best dogs I've ran with are plott walker crosses . My favorite breed was always blueticks an my favorite dog of all is a blue dog but I've had better results with walkers I think for the most part there just a better breed no offence

Oh no offense taken here. I know people have biest towards one breed or another. I personally cant say I am not a fan of walkers because they are in a lot of my dogs. Im just not a fan of walkers as a whole. I like crosses with them but dont ever plan on owning a full walkers. I probably prefer blueticks just because that is what I started with, but like I said the bluetick/walker crosses throw some good dogs. And my first plott I like a lot too. Thats why it is hard for me to choose. So far I have been blessed with some trashy dogs that seem to make me happy from all breeds. If your walkers are working for you then great. If it aint broke dont fix it! Like I said I have seen good walkers so I cant say much bad about them.

Yea my plott got to my walker female, gave them away an all the pups that where hunted made bear dogs actually ran with one all summer an on long races she was the only dog that could keep up with my old dog. I hvent tried the blue dog walker cross but my rig dog isn't reg so I may try it with her. It just isn't something I'd do with my reg dogs

It's always smart to stay away from the breed bashing deal cause people hunt what they like and care little about what others believe. What I have learned over the years is a walker man isn't gonna sell his hounds to a solid plott man, nor is the plott man gonna sell his ideas to a redbone man, and so on and so forth.

Personally, a papered dog or specific bred of hound means very little to me if anything; what matters to me is that they can rig, run and finish a cold track and the rest isn't that important other than that they are durable. I suppose they do have to be smart enough to listen or they aren't gonna make it in my backyard. However, a pup out of an old warrior of mine does mean a great deal. If a hound has been a solid trail and tree dog for me over the course of it's life then a pup from that dog is certainly held with higher regard than a pup form anywhere else.

Nobody will ever sell me on the idea that their breed is better than mine or that they have the silver bullet and I don't, cause the proof is in the eating of the puddin and I've eaten lots of puddin in my time........

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Yea like we've all said there's good in all breeds but most people have a preference being whatever it may be,I've treed 96 bears since mid June so my puddins tasting pretty good to.

As long as a man is getting his puddin I suppose it doesn't matter what color dogs he hunts...........

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Yep exactly. If its working then stay with it. I recently stopped looking for more dogs from different people. Realized I got what I want and it seems to be doing the trick so Im not too worried about it either. If you got your own line of dogs and your breeding is working then stay with it! No reason to look for something else because odds are your are going to be comparing it to your own and you will be disappointed when you find out you had what you need all along

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I recently stopped looking for more dogs from different people. Realized I got what I want and it seems to be doing the trick so Im not too worried about it either.

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Exactly. The most Ive paid for a dog was my lead dog when he was a pup. He cost me $200, while all his other litter mates cost everyone else that bought them $100. The guy, who I know and is a friend, said he was the pick of the litter (how many times has someone heard that?) and that he was going to keep him because he liked him the best and saw potential in him. He was 3 months old when I got him. Whether or not he knew what he was talking about or not I think he has done a fine job and couldnt be happier with him. I could of spent a lot of money but having good friends I have got dogs that could of cost me $400-$1000 bucks for a pup for free. 2 of them from a good friend. I have been very lucky and blessed. Im going to try to do the same back to him and get him a good dog down the road here. Its best to find what you want to hunt and have a couple buddies who you can train and trade in between each other without costing yourself more money to get an outside stock of dogs when you can keep it between friends and buddies and have a good line of dogs.

Ive always felt the same. Maybe its cause im a tight wad, but I never was much into giving several thousand dollars for a dog. Might be why I got abunch of pot lickers lol. Actually, Ive had better luck out of raising pups than trading on older dogs. I fell like that ABOUT any good pup with a chance will make something, or seems that way to me. Ive also learnt that they learn nothing sitting in the lot or on the end of a chain. If I had more time to hunt I could probably have some better dogs. But I have a demanding job, and my dogs catch from time to time, so Im pretty happy with what I got.

A guy once said that it cost twice as much to make a good rig to tree dog as what you can get out of that dog. And he said a mouthful when he said that! Making a finished rig to tree hound, one that well rig true, pretty much trash free, and one that will move an old track takes three or four years. So how much is that worth? If somebody told me they'll pay me to take their pup and bring it back when it was a finished rig to tree dog I'll laugh at them and explain that they don't have enough money for that.................

Most of the dog jockeys out West throw their pups in with the pack and hunt them until they are 18 to 24 months old ans them market them for $3000 bucks these days. Many of those dogs have never caught anything on their own, are pack dogs and still have a learning curve ahead of them to make a real start, rig to tree hound. But putting the time into a single dog costs alot of money, and you just aren't gonna find many of those dogs on the market.

A buddy of mine (a guy that was a full time lion guide and outfitter for over twenty-five years) and I both talked about making top end lion hounds. After much discussion we both agreed that there aren't enough lions left in our country to make a top end lion hound from scratch these days. There are lots of days I go out and can't find a track worth turning out on if lion is the only thing on the menu, and that's why I turned to bobcats and bears so my gas money isn't wasted.

A young man bragged that he'd hunted 120 days last fall with hounds and only missed a dozen or so. Where I live most hunting is an hour to two hours away, and a man will most likely burn $35 to $50 bucks a day on fuel. According to my math, it would cost me between $4200 and $5000 bucks to hunt 105 days out of 120. And that is just gas money not wear and tear on a vehicle. Go price a new truck these days, man ol' man! I put over $5000 bucks in my old truck last year, a truck that now has 160,000 miles on it, a truck that was bought for hunting and never used anywhere but hunting. There isn't anything harder on a truck than lion and bear hunting out west, nothing!

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A young man bragged that he'd hunted 120 days last fall with hounds and only missed a dozen or so. Where I live most hunting is an hour to two hours away, and a man will most likely burn $35 to $50 bucks a day on fuel. According to my math, it would cost me between $4200 and $5000 bucks to hunt 105 days out of 120. And that is just gas money not wear and tear on a vehicle. Go price a new truck these days, man ol' man! I put over $5000 bucks in my old truck last year, a truck that now has 160,000 miles on it, a truck that was bought for hunting and never used anywhere but hunting. There isn't anything harder on a truck than lion and bear hunting out west, nothing!

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Yeah it is crazy how hard houndsmen are on vehicles. I have done countless things to my truck. Broke 5 shocks alone this year! I wont go into the rest but Im sure it was between $5000-7000 alone on just maintance. Gas was probably....who knows I can hunt all year round.....

I'm sure my mechanic sees dollar signs when I pull into the shop in my little red truck!

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