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Posted by black/tan man on 10-03-2010 12:08 AM:

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Posted by Jerry West on 10-03-2010 01:39 AM:

Well, If I might add my two cents worth......

I will not hunt with a mean dog. Friend or fo, competitiion or pleasure, my dogs will not be in the woods with means dogs.

But, I don't want one that is "EASY" to push off a tree. I want my dogs to stand his ground if a dog face barks, blows, or growls. But, if that dog starts grabbing hide, I want a dog that will defend themself. Even if they both get scratched.

I've had dogs to all degrees.
Some that were mean..... they got a bullet.
Some that were face barkers and always ready to start something.... they got a bullet, also.
Some that were like I wanted... I hunted them in competition
Some that could not take the pressure... I just pleasure hunted them and did not breed them.

That's just the way I look at things.... LOL

As far a banning mean dogs,,,,, YES. IT SHOULD BE DONE
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Posted by bigdiezel79 on 10-03-2010 03:04 AM:

Best thing to do is find someone else to hunt with. A fight at the tree can sure ruin a great hound. Bash me all you like but i would rather my dog run than fight because sooner or later he will end up the aggressor and like many others a dog that fights in my kennel gets a bullet plain and simple. Yes i realize there are hunters that bring fighters to the hunts but the judge and the ukc should be the ones to handle them not my dog. Its bad to think that folks will bring an ill dog to hunt just so they can get a win. Just think you go out and buy ole joe for 3500$ you win a few hunts and run up on a ill dog old joe ends up with 2500$ in vet bills and the next thing you know olde joe is putting teeth in everything that tries to tree with him. Just my 2 cents worth but if everybody starts breeding dogs that "can take pressure" the hunts will be no more than glorified dog fights....

Posted by amazeagle on 10-03-2010 01:42 PM:

Hunt him by himself and give him alot of coon. But you may end up with something you really don't want. Personally I like a dog that will hold pressure regardless the situation. To win the big ones you better have one with a little grit, just my personal observation over the last 30 yrs.

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Posted by on 10-03-2010 03:13 PM:

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"Reasoning" is not a personality trait. I agree that most humans can reason better than dogs. But dogs do have the same personality traits as humans.

Its not that they don't reason or cant reason its that they don't reason the same way that we do. To try and interject our thoughts into the situation by saying if it happened to you what would you do is the part that is ridicules.

Posted by Mike Hill on 10-03-2010 03:27 PM:

Sounds like

The other guys dog wasnt much of atree dog to run another dog off then to get some more off teh tree.Lots of mean dogs out there I have a freind that has one he hunts him by hisself .I was wondering did he tell you he was mean you think he would of known

Posted by black/tan man on 10-03-2010 06:29 PM:

No he did not had hunted with this dog 2/3 times did notice that my dog would not tree with him did not think much about it.CAUTION is some what Independent does not like to back another dog and likes to get alone. That night the other dog came in on the track and tree after my dog had treed.

Posted by perry co cooner on 10-05-2010 02:24 PM:

I was a spectator on a cast one night and the dogs started fighting at the tree. We arrive and one dog was bloddied up good. The owner/handler (who was dumb as a rock) started going off yelling "someone's got a mean dog here" he went on to say "everytime I enter my dog in a hunt he gets bloodied up". FINALLY someone had the guts to say "maybe you're dog is the one starting it but he's not a good fighter" I got a little chuckle out of that in the background because I was thinking the same thing. The guy had a mean dog but didn't or wouldn't see it.

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Posted by Wingpatch on 10-05-2010 02:42 PM:

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-05-2010 04:15 PM:

I think dogs fight for about the same reason as people "DOMINANCE". You take a dominate male and put him with another and you will sooner or later have a fight for leadership. If there not scared of the other male. It isn't all what is running in there blood either. A good dominate pup can be taught he is allowed to warn and not allowed to bite. Of course that training can be taken out and ruined just like any other kind of training with a bad handler.
If you think people and dogs don't have a lot in common train a kid and a dog both. It is all reaction to there action. Love and reward for there good action and correction for there bad action. If parents would use a GOOD dog training book to help train there kids instead of child psychologist we would have better kids these days 'or just go by the bible and don't spare the rod'.

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Posted by perry co cooner on 10-05-2010 05:48 PM:

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Originally posted by bigdiezel79
Best thing to do is find someone else to hunt with. A fight at the tree can sure ruin a great hound. Bash me all you like but i would rather my dog run than fight because sooner or later he will end up the aggressor and like many others a dog that fights in my kennel gets a bullet plain and simple. Yes i realize there are hunters that bring fighters to the hunts but the judge and the ukc should be the ones to handle them not my dog. Its bad to think that folks will bring an ill dog to hunt just so they can get a win. Just think you go out and buy ole joe for 3500$ you win a few hunts and run up on a ill dog old joe ends up with 2500$ in vet bills and the next thing you know olde joe is putting teeth in everything that tries to tree with him. Just my 2 cents worth but if everybody starts breeding dogs that "can take pressure" the hunts will be no more than glorified dog fights....

Well said!!!

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Posted by perry co cooner on 10-05-2010 05:51 PM:

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Originally posted by amazeagle
Hunt him by himself and give him alot of coon. But you may end up with something you really don't want. Personally I like a dog that will hold pressure regardless the situation. To win the big ones you better have one with a little grit, just my personal observation over the last 30 yrs.

To win the big one all you should have to have is a COONDOG. In my opinion because a lot of hunters make excuses for their rough dogs and continue to breed them mean dogs will become more common. A dog shouldn't have to tree with a rough dog and the men/women that bring mean dogs into comp hunts are actually ruining the sport they claim to love.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-05-2010 06:11 PM:

I think the way the rules are now the real mean dogs will get barred sooner or later. The face barking is a natural thing that you won't ever get rid of though. Some are just bawling in the direction of another hound and others are showing dominance and trying to back others off the tree. You have to know hounds to know the differance.
I think the bigest problem is that at the local level most are hunting with friends and don't want to be the one to get there friends dog scratched or barred and a lot of them never hunt at any other clubs.

Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 10-06-2010 01:36 PM:

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"Reasoning" is not a personality trait. I agree that most humans can reason better than dogs. But dogs do have the same personality traits as humans. They love and they hate. They can get depressed. They have good moods and bad moods or "good days and bad days". Some nights they are truly focused on the task at hand and some nights they just don't care. And dogs do have inteligence and can learn. Of course, some dogs are a lot smarter than others and learn a lot faster. But in order to teach a dog life's lessons, such as, you can't fight at a tree; you have to be smarter than the dog. You also have to know your dog and his type of personality.

Dang, maybe my dog just needs some zoloft.

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Posted by HornHunters on 10-06-2010 02:03 PM:

Its not all about breeding these dogs that are mean. Its in the up bringing, Ive watched a guy bring some dogs up and he always letting them fight over the food dish JMO worst thing in the world as young dogs. He's dogs always are very agressive since I pointed this out his dogs seem to be doing a lot better, and easier to train. Its very hard to get an older dog to stop being a jerk over something. JMO

Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-06-2010 02:27 PM:

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Its not all about breeding these dogs that are mean. Its in the up bringing, Ive watched a guy bring some dogs up and he always letting them fight over the food dish JMO worst thing in the world as young dogs. He's dogs always are very agressive since I pointed this out his dogs seem to be doing a lot better, and easier to train. Its very hard to get an older dog to stop being a jerk over something. JMO

Yep I agree. Dominance is more of a taught or learned behavior. That is why the dominate dog roll may change with-in the litter of pups several times by the time the pups are 8 weaks old. Agression is learned by a dominate dog getting away with threats and winning confrontations. That is why the human should stay in the pack leader roll. If not they become agressive toward you too.
That is allso why dogs hate mail men. They come, the dog warns, he leaves. Just what you do in the beginning to train a BITE/ATTACK dog.

Posted by WVBackwoods22 on 10-06-2010 03:47 PM:

Ive got an year and a half female. When i first started hunting her it was hard as hell to get her to stay on the tree and never had a problem with her and another dog but i hunt her by herself alot. But the more coon i got out to her the better she got treeing. Now she is an aggressive tree dog and face barks at another dog. Is this a good thing to see in a young dog that she is going to stay or is that she will be a trouble maker later on down the road.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-06-2010 04:38 PM:

I would like the fact that she has more confidence and dominance BUT I would slap her right between the eyes when she barked toward another dog. It will start fights with another dominate dog sooner or later.

Posted by WVBackwoods22 on 10-06-2010 04:41 PM:

She doesnt come off the tree to do it she is still straight up and down but she will double bark at another dog when it gets close to her but if the tree is big enough she will go to the otherside but will not leave the tree.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-06-2010 05:36 PM:

Yea that is what I meen. If she is staying on the tree good but looking at the other dogs and face barking I would slap her between the eyes or on the side of the head closest to the dog she is barking at. Then pet her a little when she started barking up again to let her know it was the face barking and not the treeing that got her the correction.

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