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Posted by l.lyle on 05-06-2010 07:32 AM:

story contiued

It took those boys an hour and a half of chasin and bogging, beatn and frammin but they finally got him 100 feet before he got to the woods. Now they were some kinda proud of themselves even though they were give out.

About then old Joe shows up in the truck with three coons in the back. Joe had covered 5 miles jack lighting to get them. When Joe got home he told his mama that he had got three treed in the time it took for the others to get one. His mama was proud and told the newspaper and Joe got Famous.

I wonder if dogs hold an opinion of independent dogs like those boys still hold of Joe?

Posted by john Duemmer on 05-06-2010 12:01 PM:

Il bet the next time them fellas went hunting they all used there trucks. After all they were out there to get coon LOL.

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Posted by l.lyle on 05-06-2010 11:02 PM:

Why? That sounds like more fun than a barn rat killing!

Posted by Autumn Clements on 05-06-2010 11:49 PM:

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Originally posted by TREE BLITZIN
what i consider a me too dog is one that will quit a track its working to come to other dogs treed or one that will quit its track or tree to go to another hound that is opening.

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Posted by l.lyle on 05-07-2010 12:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by TREE BLITZIN
what i consider a me too dog is one that will quit a track its working to come to other dogs treed or one that will quit its track or tree to go to another hound that is opening.

What you you call a dog that quits his own track when another dog catches up, to go find another coon?

Posted by Autumn Clements on 05-07-2010 02:01 AM:

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Originally posted by l.lyle
What you you call a dog that quits his own track when another dog catches up, to go find another coon?

thats the opposite of me tooer, thats one thats just ignorent independent, and don't wanna be with another dog or at least thats what i'd call it.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 05-07-2010 02:41 AM:

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Originally posted by l.lyle
Okie, you gotta quit "me too'n', we're gonna think something's wrong with you. LOL

Heck Lyle, the secret to being a good me too is to be behind a good man.........I learned that from my dogs.......LOL

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 05-07-2010 02:44 AM:

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Originally posted by Autumn Clements
thats the opposite of me tooer, thats one thats just ignorent independent, and don't wanna be with another dog or at least thats what i'd call it.

Now Autumn you can't call it ignorant. It has been beat in to that shape. It is smart enough to know if it doesn't get away from all other dogs it is going to get beat again.........SMART DOG....is what I would call it...............LMAO.........wouldn't feed it though...

Posted by l.lyle on 05-07-2010 07:35 AM:

I can chucle with folks I agree with. I wouldn't feed him neither, even if I did get to braggin 'bout his independents. But there are some boys around here, one's daddy owns the Ford Dealership and de odun own's de Chevys. Yes , I'm a shark, just like them traineees. Recon I wouldn't sell either a $30.000 dog to watch them lead out the sho room floor with? What I bred and trained? "You got the money, honey, I got the time".

Posted by l.lyle on 05-07-2010 07:51 AM:

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Originally posted by Okie Dawg
Now Autumn you can't call it ignorant. It has been beat in to that shape. It is smart enough to know if it doesn't get away from all other dogs it is going to get beat again.........SMART DOG....is what I would call it...............LMAO.........wouldn't feed it though...

Now ya'll done got me, "me too' in".

Posted by no_bablin on 05-08-2010 04:04 AM:

NOT SAYIN YOUR DOG IS DOIN THIS

but if you have a dog that is split treein most the times.. 1 of 2 things have happend/has happend

1.. when he was a pup he got bit by a mean dog and had a strong enough desire to tree and just started treein on the tree beside the other dog out of fear

2.. your dog is vicioius and when the other dogs get on the tree he pushes them off the tree and they start treein on the other tree

THATS WHY IN ADDS THEY SAY "WILL HOLD PRESSURE" they WONT be pushed off a tree... thats why most people try to have a weak tree dog teach pups, that way there not intemidated..

think about it!!

have a good one!

Posted by Okie Dawg on 05-08-2010 04:13 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by no_bablin
NOT SAYIN YOUR DOG IS DOIN THIS

but if you have a dog that is split treein most the times.. 1 of 2 things have happend/has happend

1.. when he was a pup he got bit by a mean dog and had a strong enough desire to tree and just started treein on the tree beside the other dog out of fear

2.. your dog is vicioius and when the other dogs get on the tree he pushes them off the tree and they start treein on the other tree

THATS WHY IN ADDS THEY SAY "WILL HOLD PRESSURE" they WONT be pushed off a tree... thats why most people try to have a weak tree dog teach pups, that way there not intemidated..

think about it!!

have a good one!

LMAO............Lots of things can get 2 dogs on seperate trees. The main natural cause is finding there own track. Two tracks to two trees.
Holding preasure can be a lot of things. The main one is holding it's tree when there is another with a wide open mouth still tracking or on another tree close. Holding a tree with a mean dog is fang preasure..........

Posted by l.lyle on 05-08-2010 07:14 AM:

Do any of you recon it would be possible for a single hunter to be able to train an indepndant dog where he has to , or even does the old fashioned way, shoots out the coon to the dog ? Or has coonn huntin done turn't into a "bucket dog" mentallity?

Posted by nccoonhunter197 on 05-08-2010 02:17 PM:

Hounds, just like most animals, generally do the same thing over and over, until something changes that behavior. If a dog is hunted with another dog all the time they learn from eachother(pup trainers, broke dogs) Left to figure out on their own, they may learn it, but not right. There are alot fewer "naturals" in the world then what we hear. You always see adds about "natural easy starting pups". Sure, they may start easy but a true natural ? A true natural needs little if any correction. Just like naturally independent dog needs little or no help staying by itself. Alot of dogs that are said to be this way are not. Beaten for honoring another dog, eat off of way to many trees(IMO, because the idiot that trained it, hunted it with whatever and didn't think it would matter), or was hunted alone and doesn't know what to do with other dogs. If you like hunting one dog at a time, fine. I like to hear several dogs work a track, tree, and I sit back and listen to the music. From the way it sounds, you got yourself two nice dogs that tree coons and if you like hunting them together or seperate it is your choice. Good luck with them.

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Posted by no_bablin on 05-08-2010 05:05 PM:

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Originally posted by Okie Dawg
LMAO............Lots of things can get 2 dogs on seperate trees. The main natural cause is finding there own track. Two tracks to two trees.
Holding preasure can be a lot of things. The main one is holding it's tree when there is another with a wide open mouth still tracking or on another tree close. Holding a tree with a mean dog is fang preasure..........

you keep believin that friend.. i've trained a heap of dogs.. thats how i make my money for huntin.. you take a dog with a strong tree desire and run him with a half way kind of vicious dog that'll snap at him.. and he'll start treein beside that dog over and over and over... and when hes with friendly dogs he'll tree on the same tree.. but soon as one blows up at him hell leave that tree and go to another tree.. done seen it, and if you look in the adds it tells you friend... thats why they say "hell hold all the pressure and back UP and tree" but hey... beleve what ya want...

take care

Posted by Okie Dawg on 05-10-2010 02:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by no_bablin
you keep believin that friend.. i've trained a heap of dogs.. thats how i make my money for huntin.. you take a dog with a strong tree desire and run him with a half way kind of vicious dog that'll snap at him.. and he'll start treein beside that dog over and over and over... and when hes with friendly dogs he'll tree on the same tree.. but soon as one blows up at him hell leave that tree and go to another tree.. done seen it, and if you look in the adds it tells you friend... thats why they say "hell hold all the pressure and back UP and tree" but hey... beleve what ya want...

take care

Tree preasure and fang preasure is 2 differant things. I like to think that tree preasure is the most common to deal with. I like to think that MOST people know better than to put there dog in the woods with a mean dog. Once they know it is mean and I will go on thinking this. Not much on thinking I am the only one with that much since...............

Posted by no_bablin on 05-11-2010 03:35 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
Tree preasure and fang preasure is 2 differant things. I like to think that tree preasure is the most common to deal with. I like to think that MOST people know better than to put there dog in the woods with a mean dog. Once they know it is mean and I will go on thinking this. Not much on thinking I am the only one with that much since...............

depends on where you are as too what people call it.. like one man may call a dog that runs 300 yards out a patch dog, where a man says its a cull cause it want hunt by itself.. some people call it "blowin up" some people call it face barkin... its where your from.. and true, alot of people don't know there dogs face bark.. we set up a video recorder by a tree were we made a drag with a rope sack... our "pup trainers" would face bark untill they heard us coming then they straghtind up.. and theres a famous hunter named mr.wick that talks about hunting dogs after they get started with grouchy dogs too get them used to it... but true i personally don't drop my pup with a dog that i know openly rips a dogs head off on every tree, but there are people out there who do... take care

Posted by BAWL_TRACK on 05-11-2010 02:31 PM:

bottum line is if your just pleasure hunting an you know they will tree coon by there self but like huntin them together who cares if they tree togther alot .. longs they sadisfy you thats the only true answer....... i like pleasure hunting so it nice to have all the dogs at one tree instead of when you cut lets says 3 hounds loose they all run different directions.... not fun or a pleasure no matter if they tree 3 coon seperate... but chances are very low around here to split tree very offin.................an if everone says they are (me to) it only matters what you think cause your the one that fill that feed bowl everday ...

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 05-11-2010 04:15 PM:

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Originally posted by no_bablin
depends on where you are as too what people call it.. like one man may call a dog that runs 300 yards out a patch dog, where a man says its a cull cause it want hunt by itself.. some people call it "blowin up" some people call it face barkin... its where your from.. and true, alot of people don't know there dogs face bark.. we set up a video recorder by a tree were we made a drag with a rope sack... our "pup trainers" would face bark untill they heard us coming then they straghtind up.. and theres a famous hunter named mr.wick that talks about hunting dogs after they get started with grouchy dogs too get them used to it... but true i personally don't drop my pup with a dog that i know openly rips a dogs head off on every tree, but there are people out there who do... take care

The thing is you can bet Mr. Wick knew what he had his pups in the woods with and knew the pups were hard enough to handle the face barking. You can allso bet he didn't put soft pups in with a mean dog. BIG differance between grouchy and mean.
The main thing is to know what your pup will work threw and not have it in the woods with more fang than it can handle.
Like me right now. I have one that was pretty tough at 5 months old. I have another that is 6 months and isn't ready to take a bite of any kind yet. She will be as good as the other in the end but is slower to mature. So I have to wait longer on her than I did him..............

Posted by no_bablin on 05-11-2010 08:43 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
The thing is you can bet Mr. Wick knew what he had his pups in the woods with and knew the pups were hard enough to handle the face barking. You can allso bet he didn't put soft pups in with a mean dog. BIG differance between grouchy and mean.
The main thing is to know what your pup will work threw and not have it in the woods with more fang than it can handle.
Like me right now. I have one that was pretty tough at 5 months old. I have another that is 6 months and isn't ready to take a bite of any kind yet. She will be as good as the other in the end but is slower to mature. So I have to wait longer on her than I did him..............

that has NOTHING to do with what i was saying... i said dogs with a strong tree desire, when there pushed off a tree they will then start treeing on the tree beside it... if you have a dog that is split treein ALOT then thats what prob happened.. NO WAY IN HELL will you ever be able to convience me or ANYONE with common since for that matter, that every other dog is wrong and that dog ran a different track each time... many of many of many hunters have witnessed this thereself... dogs are creatures of habbits.. when they realize treein on the other tree gets the "bully" dog too leave them alone, thats what they do...

like i said you have your opinon i have my facts............. my records, my video tapes where ive recorded this very fact happening............

have a good day okie dawg.. im threw discussing

Posted by Okie Dawg on 05-11-2010 09:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by no_bablin
that has NOTHING to do with what i was saying... i said dogs with a strong tree desire, when there pushed off a tree they will then start treeing on the tree beside it... if you have a dog that is split treein ALOT then thats what prob happened.. NO WAY IN HELL will you ever be able to convience me or ANYONE with common since for that matter, that every other dog is wrong and that dog ran a different track each time... many of many of many hunters have witnessed this thereself... dogs are creatures of habbits.. when they realize treein on the other tree gets the "bully" dog too leave them alone, thats what they do...

like i said you have your opinon i have my facts............. my records, my video tapes where ive recorded this very fact happening............

have a good day okie dawg.. im threw discussing

I am sure that happens BUT one tree away wouldn't be considered a split tree to many people. One treed and one grabed a tree becouse he got ran off the other.............
When mine split tree they are APART and most the time both have a coon in the tree..........Mine tree next door to each other they are going to be in trouble unless they both have the coon.
Never had one of mine ran off a tree but if it happens they better go find another coon instead of grabing a tree.........To me that isn't tree power that is a tree idiot...............

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