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Posted by Justin_Cox on 03-21-2010 02:54 AM:

tell me what is wrong with this dog food, thanks

SEXTON BROTHERS
PRO ENDURANCE
BITE SIZE
DOG FOOD

24% PROTEIN, 18% FAT
MEAT 1ST NO SOY

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS Crude Protein (min) 24.0%
Crude Fat (min) 18.0%
Crude Fiber (max) 3.5%
Moisture (min) 12.0%

INGREDIENTS
Meat and Bone Meal, Corn, Wheat Midds, Corn Gluten Meal, Wheat, Animal Fat Preserved with BHA, Salt, Choline, Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Rice Hulls, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Copper Sulfate, D-Calcium, Panththenate, Folic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate in gelatin, Manganous Oxide, pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Ethylenediamine-Dihydrodide and Thiamine Mononitrate, Calcium Propinate.

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Posted by wayne f on 03-21-2010 03:02 AM:

Candianblueboy

you just answered the reason you haven't been hunting them hard. and by the way that high protein ol roy isn't the worst you can feed. i fed it till diamond got rid of there problem with the corn in there feed and by the way old roy had the same problem as did sunshine who males a lot of brands should we forget when purina had the same problem and when purina killed thousands of cattle a while back by putting an insecticide in there grain by accident they have all had problems over the years however diamond quickly pulled it some of the others forgot to mention it till they rectified the problem

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 03-21-2010 03:10 AM:

Thank you Wayne

You answerd my question.

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Posted by wayne f on 03-21-2010 03:13 AM:

H. L. Meyer

by the way there is no best dog however there is good and bad dog food, dogs aren't any differant than people they all have differant metabolisms. by the way i also didn't say a thing about coonhunters i said people so please don't read into what i write

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Posted by Candianblueboy on 03-21-2010 03:26 AM:

Wayne you are right about all the recalls from most of the different brands and they all pretty much got it from an ingr that they added to there mix.
Worked 30 yrs for a big food Company and we would just change the packageing when switching brands.
Biggest thing with the dogs is no different than people, they need to be run lots and kept in shape and fed good. We will have our favorites and I guess it just depends on the person.

One good point brung up was the part about inspecting the company and heat gauges broke. There needs to be more inspections on these companies with regulations in place and a better way of listing ingredients in plain English not so it sounds good.

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Posted by bluedogtn on 03-21-2010 03:28 AM:

wayne f

So its ok that my dogs are shedding their worms without the wormer? Thats fine with me. Also, someone said me worming them twice a month is bad. Is that true? You seem to definately know what you are talking about. You can pm me if u need to.

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Posted by johnny reb on 03-21-2010 04:23 AM:

Posted by Justin_Cox on 03-21-2010 05:02 AM:

that all you can find, tell me what brand don't have corn, wheat, and any other thing that is not meat in it. I for one have been using sexton for almost 2 years now, and have had great successes with it. I have tried over the years, Purina, diamond, old roy, and pedigree. they all have corn in it some where. so, the only real dog food would be to feed them straight meat, if you can afford that. thanks for your reply to my question.

p.s. not trying to start a argument with this. just trying to make a point. every body uses what they like and can afford, I pay 17 dollars for a 50 pound bag. the only reason I found sexton, was when I went to buy my horse feed, the owner recommend me to try it, that is what he was using. plus the owners of the sexton brother, was hunting foxhounds. that is how they got started making there own food. I have not used black gold or a lot of other brand mention. I just don't see why I would pay 30 bucks or more for dog food, just my opinion. good luck with what ever you use, and good hunting.

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Posted by Joey Donelson on 03-21-2010 05:22 AM:

There are several dog foods out there now that are getting away from corn. More people are getting better informed about corn & dog food companys are starting to respond with dog food without corn. I don't feed corn because I have one dog that his eyes will matt up bad on it.

Posted by Justin_Cox on 03-21-2010 05:27 AM:

corn is in about all of them.

black gold,
Signature Series Ultimate Performance Dog Food

INGREDIENTS

Chicken Meal, Corn Meal, Fish Meal, Poultry Fat Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols (Source Of Vitamin E), Brewers Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Ground Whole Grain Barley, Dried Beet Pulp, Vegetable Oil, Natural Poultry Flavor, Potassium Chloride, Dried Egg Product, Brewers Dried Yeast, Salt, Inulin, Choline Chloride, Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Oxide, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Sulfate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Biotin, Vitamin A Acetate, Manganese Proteinate, Taurine, Copper Proteinate, Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate (Source Of Vitamin B1), Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Source Of Vitamin B6), Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source Of Vitamin K Activity), Riboflavin Supplement (Source Of Vitamin B2), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Cobalt Carbonate, Folic Acid.

dimond dog food
Protein: 24% Fat: 20%
Calories: 3,820 kcal/kg (400 kcal/cup) Calculated ME
Available in 50 lb bags.
Ingredients

Chicken by-product meal, ground corn, rice bran, wheat flour, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), meat meal, beet pulp, natural chicken flavor, fish meal, salt, potassium chloride, choline chloride, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B2 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

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Posted by EerieEyes on 03-21-2010 07:11 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by TNridgerunner
that all you can find, tell me what brand don't have corn, wheat, and any other thing that is not meat in it.

tons. the cheapest i can think of at the moment is the new diamond stuff they're making for TSC - the 4health stuff. No corn, wheat, or soy. we buy the performance for (i think) around 30 or 35 bucks a bag. i know you've already made it clear you wouldn't spend that much for feed, but i think they have a few cheaper formula. yea, most of the other grain-free foods are super expensive. not all of the corn and wheat-free ones are. but they're much higher quality, and you're going to feed a lot less of them.

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Posted by Bobby Stevens on 03-21-2010 07:29 AM:

it aint about feedin more or less i can do which ever the dogs need its about my wallet i'll never be withoout a dog unless the price of dog food drives me out of it
ridiculus posts ? whats some of the feeds that are good enough to feed dogs that are 20$ or less for 50lbs and name them they arent on here monitorin it they wont see what you post anybody and everbody joinin on this one the meat based ones that fall in this price range only please and 50lb bags only too please i'm kinda picky lol

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Posted by EerieEyes on 03-21-2010 09:57 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bobby Stevens
it aint about feedin more or less i can do which ever the dogs need its about my wallet

I think the idea that some people (myself included) are getting at there is that if you're feeding less food, you don't buy it as often... end results = less money spent over time on dog food.

Posted by Craig Harris on 03-21-2010 02:08 PM:

wayne ,I dont know I have never thought myself it has given any of my dogs worms ,I was justy saying what has been told to me .but I have seen them changing up the way it is put together or the ingedients ,and seen good feed turn to s*** in a hurry and call them on it ,and they went back to the way they were doing it before ,but they were trying to cost labor costs or cut cost of ingerdients but wasnt cutting the cost of the feed ,I just wish they would give a good product and leave it alone ,they are making a profit ,but they think it needs to be more

Posted by chadf on 03-21-2010 05:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by bluedogtn
Ive not fed sexton bros for long. Maybe 6 months. I understand that guy has many years of experience of me and fully respect him. Im looking for info. I know dogs are going to get worms. I worm mine once a month normally. I have to do it about twice a month on this feed. Can anyone tell me whats the deal with that?? I appreciate all the info. As for reading the labels go,I dont know what all the ingredients on a pop can mean much less dogfood. I guess i still got a lot of learning to do for sure.

"Worms" is actually to broad of a term. What kind of worm are you talking about? Typically there are 2 types of worms people see in a dogs stool. round worms and tape worms they both require completely different types of wormers and have completely different types of lifecycles. Generally speaking fleas and kennel hygiene are the most common culprits.
raw meats and too much "chew time" on heavly infested coons can be a contributer as well.
If you are using the wrong wormer for the worms that could be the reason for the increase in noticable worms in your dog pens.

Posted by chadf on 03-21-2010 05:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by TNridgerunner
tell me what is wrong with this dog food, thanks

SEXTON BROTHERS
PRO ENDURANCE
BITE SIZE
DOG FOOD

24% PROTEIN, 18% FAT
MEAT 1ST NO SOY

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS Crude Protein (min) 24.0%
Crude Fat (min) 18.0%
Crude Fiber (max) 3.5%
Moisture (min) 12.0%

INGREDIENTS
Meat and Bone Meal, Corn, Wheat Midds, Corn Gluten Meal, Wheat, Animal Fat Preserved with BHA, Salt, Choline, Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Rice Hulls, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Copper Sulfate, D-Calcium, Panththenate, Folic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate in gelatin, Manganous Oxide, pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Ethylenediamine-Dihydrodide and Thiamine Mononitrate, Calcium Propinate.

this is not a meat based food. a meat based food will list the meat IE chicken, beef , lamb as the first ingredient. Meat and bone meal is pretty much ground up leftovers with not a whole lot of meat left on the bone. I don't know what's available in your area but start flipping bags over and look at the ingredients before looking at the protein/fat content. You'll be surprised at what is a decent food and what's not.
Case in point when I got to Alaska I couldn't find my previous dog food so I started looking at all the stores around. Surprisingly I found that in my area Costco had one of the best meat based foods and it was definately in my budget.

Posted by 1deadeye on 03-21-2010 05:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by TNridgerunner
tell me what is wrong with this dog food, thanks

SEXTON BROTHERS
PRO ENDURANCE
BITE SIZE
DOG FOOD

24% PROTEIN, 18% FAT
MEAT 1ST NO SOY

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS Crude Protein (min) 24.0%
Crude Fat (min) 18.0%
Crude Fiber (max) 3.5%
Moisture (min) 12.0%

INGREDIENTS
Meat and Bone Meal, Corn, Wheat Midds, Corn Gluten Meal, Wheat, Animal Fat Preserved with BHA, Salt, Choline, Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Rice Hulls, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Copper Sulfate, D-Calcium, Panththenate, Folic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate in gelatin, Manganous Oxide, pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Ethylenediamine-Dihydrodide and Thiamine Mononitrate, Calcium Propinate.

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Diamond Chicken and Rice
Crude Protein 26.0% Minimum
Crude Fat 16.0% Minimum
Crude Fiber 3.0% Maximum
Moisture 10.0% Maximum
Zinc 150 mg/kg Minimum
Selenium 0.4 mg/kg Minimum
Vitamin E 150 IU/kg Minimum
Omega-6 Fatty Acids * 2.5% Minimum
Omega-3 Fatty Acids * 0.4% Minimum

Chicken, chicken meal, whole grain brown rice, white rice, cracked pearled barley, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), oatmeal, beet pulp, egg product, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, fish meal, potassium chloride, choline chloride, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

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Posted by Justin_Cox on 03-21-2010 06:08 PM:

I am not saying sextons is the best, I would rather feed them more meat, and no corn, rice, wheat, or any other. but I cant afford to pay 38 a bag, I don't see how it is cheaper in the long run. It seem to me, just to add some meat in there food, oh yea I all ready do, and add some grease to. I do check around on dog food, but for the money for me, sexton is the better choice. and my vet say that my dogs are healthy, I de-wormed them once a month with the stuff from the vets. I don't trust the shot or de-wormer from any other store. I have 6 dogs, so I go through 6 bags a month. so help me figure out how it is cheaper. thanks

going through 6 bags a month
$17 a bag, for 50 pounds. for a year $1224
$25 a bag, for a year $1800
$30 a bag, for a year $2160

p.s. even if I had 1 dog, I wouldn't pay more either.

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Posted by johnny reb on 03-21-2010 06:45 PM:

you all that say it;s nopt cheaper too feed a better quality feed how much feed do you alll feed too 2 dogs a month? I can feed 2 dogs for one month out a 40 pound bag of feed that i pay 30 dollars a bag for now if your feediong the same 2 dogs a fifty pound bag and part of another bag you tell me which ones cheaper

Posted by CSnowgren on 03-21-2010 06:56 PM:

I am glad that I don't have to decide which feed I use based on price. I feel for those that do. My 3 dogs eat just fine and every once in awhile I feel like a baller and drop an extra buck and a half on a can of jack mac to throw in there to one of them.

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Posted by Justin_Cox on 03-21-2010 07:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by johnny reb
you all that say it;s nopt cheaper too feed a better quality feed how much feed do you alll feed too 2 dogs a month? I can feed 2 dogs for one month out a 40 pound bag of feed that i pay 30 dollars a bag for now if your feediong the same 2 dogs a fifty pound bag and part of another bag you tell me which ones cheaper

so you are saying you can feed all 6 on my dogs on 3 bags of dog food, so tell me how do you know how much to give them. because know matter which dog food I have used, I always gave them the same amount. I fill there bowl up, they eat it. so how can they get filled up on less food.

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Posted by BWSupplies on 03-21-2010 08:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by TNridgerunner
I have 6 dogs, so I go through 6 bags a month. so help me figure out how it is cheaper. thanks

going through 6 bags a month
$17 a bag, for 50 pounds. for a year $1224
$25 a bag, for a year $1800
$30 a bag, for a year $2160

p.s. even if I had 1 dog, I wouldn't pay more either.

Wow! I feed 7 hounds, give 1 quart per day and use 3 bags a month. During the summer,I might drop to 2.5 bags if its real hot and they leave food from the day before. Cold weather I use 24/20 pride and summer its 21/17 pride in the lime green bag.
I'm sure if I wanted to use sorry dog food I would use more to keep them in the same shape off good food. Theirs where the money savings comes into play. $720.00 looks a lot better to me then $1224.00 on a $20.00 per bag average.

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Posted by EerieEyes on 03-21-2010 09:02 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by TNridgerunner
so you are saying you can feed all 6 on my dogs on 3 bags of dog food, so tell me how do you know how much to give them. because know matter which dog food I have used, I always gave them the same amount. I fill there bowl up, they eat it. so how can they get filled up on less food.

lol. because it's higher quality nutrition, they absorb more of it, and can maintain weight and energy on less of it. My 55lb pit eats 2c/day of taste of the wild from TSC and maintains a healthy weight. Costs probably 42 or so a bag, and lasts a month and a half or more. If I filled her bowl and let her just eat she'd be a porker on it.

In the end, every dog is a bit different, so I won't promise I can feed your 6 dogs on 3 bags of food, but I wouldn't say it's unheard of...

Posted by johnny reb on 03-21-2010 09:15 PM:

i feed my dogs between 2 and 3 cups a day of the food i feed now that's my dogs there all differnt sizes and it vary's dog too dog but if i fed there bowls up they would be fat as mud andnot too mention the extra crap too scoop because more is not alwaus better too much feed is just as bad as not enuf feed there body's are only going too absorb so much nutrition before it lets the excess go which means more clean up

Posted by Bobby Stevens on 03-22-2010 12:10 AM:

still waitin for the list of names of feed that fit the outline i mentioned earlier

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