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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 02-21-2010 02:42 PM:

You Have too Breed for Both, Cold Nose tracking Ability and Track Speed .. One Without the other is Worthless.

Accuracy Comes with Tracking Ability

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Posted by Bluedogman on 02-21-2010 04:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by gfults
Its easily seen if youre honest with yourself. Most would die before admitting their dog couldnt run a track.

I think you are right there too.

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Posted by on 02-21-2010 05:56 PM:

Re: bluedogman

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Ya if you dont mind,let me know bout Blaze and blue's breeding?

Mountain Music Blue and M.M. Blaze were around back in the mid 70's and early 80's...Mountain Music Blue produced True Boy Blue, who in turn produced Grntch Smokey River Blue Diamond Jim. Mountain Music Blue is also a littermate to Sebastians Penny's dam.

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Posted by theo on 02-21-2010 06:18 PM:

Thanks Blue style....

Ohhh... ya..I've heard of them dogs before!!!.Those are the hounds that pretty much Made Bluedogs what they are today!!!!.remember seeing them pic's before.thanks again blue style.

Posted by Bluedogman on 02-21-2010 06:23 PM:

Do you know what came before the MM dogs?

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Posted by wayne f on 02-21-2010 06:27 PM:

it is my opion hounds are born with the cold nose trate,however with maturity those born cold nosed will develope this trate to the fullest

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Posted by Eric Gregory on 02-21-2010 07:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wayne f
it is my opion hounds are born with the cold nose trate,however with maturity those born cold nosed will develope this trate to the fullest

^^^^^^
This is what I was asking opinions on. This dog just seems to grab tracks some nights he can't hardly finish. Can this be improved with increased exposure to these old tracks?

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Posted by Bluedogman on 02-21-2010 07:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Eric Gregory
^^^^^^
This is what I was asking opinions on. This dog just seems to grab tracks some nights he can't hardly finish. Can this be improved with increased exposure to these old tracks?

Only time will tell in my opinion.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-21-2010 07:27 PM:

Re: Can a dog learn to have a colder nose?

quote:
Originally posted by Eric Gregory
I've got a pretty nice dog here that is 3yrs old that will split tree a cast to death and tries hard to have a coon in most of his trees. I've seen him take a track away from dogs and be finished before they can settle in. When he is on he is going to be a cast winning dude.

My question comes from nights that it seems like later in the night of a long hunt and on a snow or heavy frost he will work and work a track but just can't seem to line it out very often. Tonight I didn't turn out until after midnight and I had the same kind of night it just seemed like he was grabbing tracks he couldn't handle. Is a dogs nose just what it's going to be or can it get better with more exposure to old tracks and cold frosty nights?

Age old question; can an old dog learn new tricks; YES....As long as he has the drive to deep trying. Fininshing hard tracks come from experience. The DRIVE to keep trying comes from BREEDING..........

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Posted by josh on 02-21-2010 07:36 PM:

Mostly I would say the opposite is true, a dog will figure out which tracks he can hang a coon at the end of and which ones result in dens and a frozen handler.

JMO, but i would discourage a dog from trying to freeze me to death while he mops around all nite.

Posted by theo on 02-21-2010 08:14 PM:

eric G

Read Thread 5,17 on this post.i wrote them on here for you to read.hopefully they'll help you.any more questions just ask.

Posted by Rocketman55 on 02-21-2010 08:24 PM:

Cold Nose

Every dog will get better at working a cold track if given the opportunity to (practice) work them. To say they will become great at it is nothing more than a gamble. Some dogs truely do develop into GREAT cold trailing dogs, while others will, only be good cold trailing dogs, and them some will only be average cold trailing dogs.

They will all get better at it if you let them work until they are finished, and then praise them when you find a coon at the end of the track, and discoursge them when they failed to correctly finish the track.

This all takes time and will not be accomplished in 30 nights of hunting. It will take consistant hunting & consistant training for a dog to reach its full potential, then you won't know what you really have until you see your dog out preforming a majority of the other hounds they compete head to head against, or you still see some other dogs outworking your hound on these cold tracks. Then you will have a better idea where your dog fits into the overall scheme of coonhunting.

Posted by Eric Gregory on 02-21-2010 10:44 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dan Dogs
i would think at three years old, the ability is all ready there..you may just have to settle for what you have..some dogs have the desire to work a cold track, but do not have the ability to move it out..i call it, more nose then brains..

He is a grandson to Medleys Hardwood Swamp and Bobs Northridge Lucy. His Sire in a Dog named Hardwood Timber from out in OK.

He has Stylish Harry, Stylish Coma and and Pac man female on his bottom side.

He is a nice little dog and independant as all get out( to a fault some , because he does not wat to back another dog ever if he is not there first) seen him tree coons other dogs run by or under. I'm going to try to keep putting him on the old nast tracks and feed him the coon when he finally gets one lined out.

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Posted by Eric Gregory on 02-21-2010 10:46 PM:

Re: eric G

quote:
Originally posted by theo
Read Thread 5,17 on this post.i wrote them on here for you to read.hopefully they'll help you.any more questions just ask.

Thanks

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Posted by Dan Dogs on 02-21-2010 11:10 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Eric Gregory
He is a grandson to Medleys Hardwood Swamp and Bobs Northridge Lucy. His Sire in a Dog named Hardwood Timber from out in OK.

He has Stylish Harry, Stylish Coma and and Pac man female on his bottom side.

He is a nice little dog and independant as all get out( to a fault some , because he does not wat to back another dog ever if he is not there first) seen him tree coons other dogs run by or under. I'm going to try to keep putting him on the old nast tracks and feed him the coon when he finally gets one lined out.

i have hunted with timber when he was younger..a buddy of mine owned him..he struggled a little when young, i don't know how he was after he turned two..

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Posted by V. Cannon on 02-21-2010 11:15 PM:

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Mostly I would say the opposite is true, a dog will figure out which tracks he can hang a coon at the end of and which ones result in dens and a frozen handler.

JMO, but i would discourage a dog from trying to freeze me to death while he mops around all nite.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-21-2010 11:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by V. Cannon
+1

LOL You guys think buy smelling a track a dog can tell were it winds up( in a din or else were) LMAO..............
Were you not able to learn after the first grade? Sorry guys just haveing fun with your theory. Get you an old dog at the pound. Bet you can teach it something. Probubley can't give it ESP and get it to tell were a track goes before they run it though. LMAO again.................

Posted by on 02-22-2010 12:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bluedogman
Do you know what came before the MM dogs?

3 of the 4 grandparents in M.M. Blues ped are Vaughn bred, I would guess probably vaughn bloodlines...

Posted by on 02-22-2010 12:51 AM:

a smart hound will (or should) be able to differentiate between tracks he can finish and those he cant...if you try the High Jump over and over and over and over, you think you wont eventually figure out what your limits are? Same with a hound, if a dog is getting enough hunting time to make a coondog, most of the time he should also be able to tell which tracks he can finish and which he cant (if he has a brain that operates)...thats just my opinion based on personal experience...

Posted by Rough Northern on 02-22-2010 01:00 AM:

Re: Can a dog learn to have a colder nose?

No, it can learn to use the nose it has though.

Posted by Eric Gregory on 02-22-2010 01:06 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Blue Style
a smart hound will (or should) be able to differentiate between tracks he can finish and those he cant...if you try the High Jump over and over and over and over, you think you wont eventually figure out what your limits are? Same with a hound, if a dog is getting enough hunting time to make a coondog, most of the time he should also be able to tell which tracks he can finish and which he cant (if he has a brain that operates)...thats just my opinion based on personal experience...

We are in the process of putting the hunt time on him right now about 3 nights a week is all I can manage with the family and work so it may take a little longer, but i've got some good hunting especially when the rut is over.

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Posted by theo on 02-22-2010 01:34 AM:

Eric G

Being from Arkansas right?.From what i've heard..Arkansas is loaded to the max with coon right?,with so many coon in your area it will probably be harder to find an older track.so therefore,theres another option? cage trap a coon!!let go..then three hours later bring your dog and cut him in the direction of the coon and see if he can line it out properly??just an idea?

Posted by josh on 02-22-2010 02:35 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
LOL You guys think buy smelling a track a dog can tell were it winds up( in a din or else were) LMAO..............
Were you not able to learn after the first grade? Sorry guys just haveing fun with your theory. Get you an old dog at the pound. Bet you can teach it something. Probubley can't give it ESP and get it to tell were a track goes before they run it though. LMAO again.................

Mr Grady, Ignorance is bliss, Takes some years to understand some things, and some never do....

Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-22-2010 03:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by josh
Mr Grady, Ignorance is bliss, Takes some years to understand some things, and some never do....

Then welcome to buiss....................LOL

Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-22-2010 03:55 AM:

A big bore walks across a pasture. He gets to the tree line and meets a nice sow. He spends an hour in the tree sweet talking the saw into comeing down and going with him. They leave the tree and start threw the woods.
Now a hound strikes a trail over an hour old in the middle of a pasture. Does he know if he follows it that is will get an hour hotter in 75 yards? Can he work the old trail? A coon doesn't walk with out stoping. You don't know how long the trail will stay cold till you follow it. No w some dog will open as soon as they smell the old trail and some will wait to see if they can run it. BUT most will follow the faint scent if it is all they have. Except the ones that just blow threw ground.

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