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Posted by TicksAlwaysSlik on 02-20-2010 04:59 AM:

it aint illegal to hunt over bait in nc on PRIVATE land. like what has already been said i dont really care if there are buckets or no buckets if u got a real dog itll tree either way n have the meat.

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Posted by joey bourne on 02-20-2010 05:49 AM:

Re: Re: Re: JOEY, JOEY, JOEY ....

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Originally posted by riproarinkennel
No coffee for me, Darkman. It gives me the squirts. Just a little history lesson for my friend. Oh yeh, he hunts them spotted dogs too. LOL.

WHY IS IT YOU HAVE PICS OF MY DOG ON THE NET AND I DON'T? I THINK JANET MUST HAVE PUT SOMETHING IN YOUR FOOD TONITE YOUR IN RARE FORM THERE MR.REDBONE MAN......LOL WISH I WOULD HAVE TOOK YOU UP ON THE GUIDING TONITE MAYBE I WOULD HAVE WON OVER THEM BUCKETS.

Posted by joey bourne on 02-20-2010 05:53 AM:

Re: JOEY, JOEY, JOEY ....

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Originally posted by riproarinkennel
FORGET 'BOUT THAT FAT SOW 25 YARDS FROM THE FEEDER AND REMEMBER THAT JUMBLED UP, LOOKED LIKE YOUNG'UN SCRIBBLIN' LINE THAT YOUR GARMIN DREW FOLLOWING THE PATH OF THE DOGS BEHIND MR. BIG NADS THE OTHER NIGHT. YOU KNOW, THE ONE THEY NEVER TREED. IF YOU ADD UP ALL THEM MINUS YOU WOULD HAVE HAD EVERYTIME THEY TREED WHERE MR. BIG NADS PEED, THE HUNT WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER BEFORE HE CROSSED THE FIRST ROAD. YOU KNOW, AS IN, MINUSED OUT. REMEMBER, WE CHECKED THEM ON 2 ROADS WHEN THE OLE BOY STARTED LAYING DOWN THAT STRAIGHT LINE AND THEY WAS CHASIN' RICKY RACOON. YOU WANT SOME MORE OF THAT DOG FOOD FUELED, STINKY SOW CHASIN', EASY FEEDER BUCKET COON ????????????? I'LL GUIDE FOR YOU TONIGHT.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-20-2010 06:09 AM:

I would venture to say if you want to win in comp. around the country you better have your dog trained to hunt on and off of buckets.............If it hasn't been tough what to do it is going to run into all that pool scent at the bucket and sit down. Probubly under a slick or a possum. LOL
If you have hunted it on buckets to much. It ain't going to hunt or it is going to blow threw ground till it hits something real hot.

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Posted by joey bourne on 02-20-2010 06:19 AM:

OKIE,
I TO HAVE BUCKETS OUT BUT I HAVE JUST AS MANY NAKED DROPS AND I USE THEM. MY LITTLE DOG ISN'T BUT 18 19 MONTHS OLD AND I WOULDN'T BE SCARED TO BUMP HIM OFF WITH ANYTHING OF HIS AGE RIGHT NOW. HUNTED IN UKC HUNT TONITE AND THERE WASN'T A TRACK ON THE DIRT HE TREED 2 LAYUPS FIRST AND FIRST AND SHOWED US THE ONLY COON ON THE CAST. I BELIEVE IN ALONE HUNTING TIME AND IT IS REALLY STARTING TO PAY OFF. I PROB DON'T HAVE ANY BIZ EVEN PUTTING A DOG OF HIS CALIBER IN THE HUNTS YET, BUT HE'S ALL I GOT AND I ENJOY THE HUNTS. HE STILL HAS A LONG WAYS TO GO BUT I'M PROUD OF WHERE HE IS AT THIS STATE OF HIS LIFE.......

Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-20-2010 06:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by joey bourne
OKIE,
I TO HAVE BUCKETS OUT BUT I HAVE JUST AS MANY NAKED DROPS AND I USE THEM. MY LITTLE DOG ISN'T BUT 18 19 MONTHS OLD AND I WOULDN'T BE SCARED TO BUMP HIM OFF WITH ANYTHING OF HIS AGE RIGHT NOW. HUNTED IN UKC HUNT TONITE AND THERE WASN'T A TRACK ON THE DIRT HE TREED 2 LAYUPS FIRST AND FIRST AND SHOWED US THE ONLY COON ON THE CAST. I BELIEVE IN ALONE HUNTING TIME AND IT IS REALLY STARTING TO PAY OFF. I PROB DON'T HAVE ANY BIZ EVEN PUTTING A DOG OF HIS CALIBER IN THE HUNTS YET, BUT HE'S ALL I GOT AND I ENJOY THE HUNTS. HE STILL HAS A LONG WAYS TO GO BUT I'M PROUD OF WHERE HE IS AT THIS STATE OF HIS LIFE.......

Yep know what you mean. My 18 month old blac ran one a mile on a tough track tonight with a 7 yr old ntch with 4-5 wins toward grntch. He led the last half of the race treed and had the meat.
I am going to sell him though becouse my 8 month old blue dog is going to be a better dog than he is and want to put all my time in on him. He started treeing at 5 months and hasn't looked back. I wouldn't be afraid to put any either one in any hunt.
I use to never hunt on feeders but figured out you better show them what it is all about. They go running into a tree 12-15 coon has been under a lot of them will blow up the first few times.

Posted by joey bourne on 02-20-2010 06:41 AM:

LIKE I SAID ITS A GOOD TRAINING METHOD BUT I WOULDN'T OWN A DOG THAT WON'T GO GET TREED IF THERE ISN'T A FEEDER BUCKET WITH LOTS OR SENT WAITING. ONCE A DOG WINS THAT LAST WIN TOWARDS NITECH IT SHOULD HAVE TO PASS A HUNT TEST BEFORE THAT TITTLE IS PUT TO HIS HER NAME..JMO

Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-20-2010 06:51 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by joey bourne
LIKE I SAID ITS A GOOD TRAINING METHOD BUT I WOULDN'T OWN A DOG THAT WON'T GO GET TREED IF THERE ISN'T A FEEDER BUCKET WITH LOTS OR SENT WAITING. ONCE A DOG WINS THAT LAST WIN TOWARDS NITECH IT SHOULD HAVE TO PASS A HUNT TEST BEFORE THAT TITTLE IS PUT TO HIS HER NAME..JMO

Yep would sure agree with you there. I never liked the feeders in most cases BUT if your going to have to dump on them in a hut you better have them ready.

Posted by nccoonhunter197 on 02-20-2010 02:13 PM:

You can hunt deer over bait in NC. About every patch of woods has a bucket or some type of feeder in it somewhere. I have never heard it was illegal to use feeders. I will check on it.

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Posted by joey bourne on 02-20-2010 02:25 PM:

SAME HERE IN SC. PEOPLE CALL THERE SELF HUNTERS PILING UP CORN AND SITTING OVER IT WITH A HIGH POWERED RIFLE WITH A SCOPE AS BIG AS MY TRUCK....LOL HUNTING????? MORE LIKE SHOOTING FISH IN A BARREL

Posted by K. Singletary on 02-20-2010 03:25 PM:

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Originally posted by joey bourne
If buckets was illegal in nite hunts everyone would be on the same playing feild. JMO

How do you figure this? All woods aren't created equal, feeder or no feeder. The guide that has good woods and doesn't kill and harrass his coons will always beat that guide hunting on public land. Only 2 ways the playing field could be level. #1 is if only cast wins are awarded and not places according to score #2 is turn evey dog entered in the hunt loose at the same time at the same place. LOL

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Posted by rmcmillan on 02-21-2010 02:48 PM:

buckets

I have a bucket or two out to train a pup. Then once they start they look for there own. I do not think they should be in hunts. How can you regulate it though.

In Pa the law dose not allow you to hunt over or around bait. If the game commision finds bait they will post area to hunting for a certain period of time. How long I do not know.

In Maryland we can hunt over bait on private property with the land owners permission. Not on state ground. I have seen and hunted around feeders on state ground though. Also in Md we have to have written permission and have it with you to hunt on private property. Verbal will not do, even if the owner is talking to the DNR while he is fineing you. I guess I will call governor to get permission to hunt state ground.

My club is in Md where we have guys hunt Md, Pa, and Wv. So if UKC would say no buckets in Pa due to there laws would this be a fair playing field? Md and Wv will pound buckets and Pa would not.

Where I hunt and there are no buckets some nites there are alot of coon and a week later you would swear there was not one for 20 miles.

Just something more to think about. Good hunting guys.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-21-2010 07:07 PM:

We are supose to have written permission too but nobody does. I have permission for thousands of acres and not one in wrighting. Don't think they could enforce it except in season. Ant other time you are not hunting. You are just running.

Posted by riproarinkennel on 02-21-2010 08:11 PM:

Okie Dawg

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
Ant other time you are not hunting. You are just running.

'round here, if you turn a dog loose, it's hunting. And if you're hangin' out with the hunters, you'd better have your paperwork.

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Posted by joey bourne on 02-21-2010 08:45 PM:

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Originally posted by K. Singletary
How do you figure this? All woods aren't created equal, feeder or no feeder. The guide that has good woods and doesn't kill and harrass his coons will always beat that guide hunting on public land. Only 2 ways the playing field could be level. #1 is if only cast wins are awarded and not places according to score #2 is turn evey dog entered in the hunt loose at the same time at the same place. LOL

You are right about woods being different. But if you don't have buckets lord knows where the track may be, and for most dogs I been hunting with that leaves the hunt for me because they don't seem to have much hunt in them. NOTE I SAID MOST NOT ALL!!!!!!

Posted by jculler8 on 02-21-2010 09:02 PM:

Re: buckets

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Originally posted by rmcmillan
In Pa the law dose not allow you to hunt over or around bait. If the game commision finds bait they will post area to hunting for a certain period of time. How long I do not know.

In PA you are not allowed to "hunt" over bait, meaning carry a firearm, however, there is nothing in writing stating that you cannot "train" a dog over bait. You are allowed to "train" year round in PA and a nite hunt cast would be considered training.

Buckets are allowed to be used in PA. Heck out of season, you can load your hunting spots with corn and feed for all PA game and face zero consequences.

The bait law in PA is written primarily for the deer and bear hunters.

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Posted by Backswamp Fred on 02-21-2010 10:12 PM:

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Well I went through the rules real quick and couldn't find it however isn't it illegal in NC to hunt game over feed? If its against a states game laws isn't it against UKC night hunt rules?
IF so then the other cast should be scratched.

Nope not illegal in N.C to coon, bear, deer hunt for jumping purposes over bait.

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 02-21-2010 10:55 PM:

Virginia is Very Clear About Any Bait !!

Hunting With Dogs
�Dogs may be used to pursue wild birds and animals during hunting seasons where not prohibited.
�When the chase begins on other lands, fox hunters and coon hunters may follow their dogs on prohibited lands, and hunters of all other game, when the chase begins on other lands, may go upon prohibited lands to retrieve their dogs, but may not carry firearms or archery tackle on their persons or hunt any game while thereon. The use of vehicles to retrieve dogs on prohibited lands shall be allowed only with the permission of the landowner or his agent. Any person who goes on prohibited lands to retrieve his dogs must identify himself when requested by the landowner or his agent.
�Unlawful to use dogs when hunting any species with archery tackle during any archery season.

�Unlawful to chase with dogs or hunt with dogs or to attempt to chase or hunt with dogs any wild animal from a baited site or to train dogs on any wild animal from a baited site. Furthermore, it shall be unlawful to place, distribute or maintain bait or salt for any wild animal for the purpose of chasing with dogs, hunting with dogs, or the training of dogs. A baited site will be considered to be baited for 30 days following the complete removal of all such bait or salt.

�It is unlawful to intentionally cripple or otherwise harm any game animal for the intent of continuing a hunt, or chase, or for the purpose of training dogs. Upon treeing, baying, or otherwise containing an animal in a manner that offers the animal no avenue of escape, the person or the hunting party shall either harvest the animal if within a legal take season and by using lawful methods of take or terminate the chase by retrieving the dogs and allowing the animal freedom to escape for the remainder of the same calendar day.
�It is unlawful to dislodge an animal from a tree for the intent of continuing a hunt, or chase, or for the purpose of training dogs.

Training Dogs
The training of dogs on live wild animals is considered hunting and is unlawful during the closed season except as noted below.

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Posted by bluetickcooner on 02-22-2010 02:42 AM:

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Originally posted by joey bourne
I think feeder buckets have there place in keeping game in the area and training pups. But I have been saying for years that it should be against all kc's rules to hunt off feeder buckets. I had a black lab that would smoke a bucket coon and have the meat when you got there. But wouldn't go look for one other wise. I think a dog should have to be a proven hunter to recieve any titles. Treeing hot coons off of a feeder bucket doesn't suggest that a dog is a coondog. If buckets was illegal in nite hunts everyone would be on the same playing feild. JMO

instead of just receiving 100 pts and a first in some hunts why doesnt the ukc also make the dog pass a HTX to become a nite champ?? what do u think

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-22-2010 03:59 AM:

It would show that they could atleast run and tree there own coon but it would be a lot harder in some parts of the country than others.

Posted by joey bourne on 02-22-2010 04:07 PM:

I have allways said a dog should have to pass a hunt test before any titles are awarded.

Posted by DarkMan on 02-22-2010 05:23 PM:

didnt u see the humor in it?

The thread was just meant to be funny,something for you to laugh about but.............somehow it got turned into another ongoing feeder bucket thread that I can't even look at no more,so please let it just get pushed back don't reply cause whatever you say has been said time and time and time again.Search "Feeder Buckets"if you don't believe me.
People its just coon hunting its not that serious,yal act like a bunch of lawyers in the break room lol ease up!

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Posted by sidneyjames on 02-22-2010 05:38 PM:

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It has been a long time since I been down there, but I do remember Vale, N.C. We were cutting loose about 7 years after Hugo went through. I will admit it was interesting.

I actually didn't think it was as bad as it could have been and we looked at a few coons too.

s you know how it is...after ivan its been a mess down here.we still get stuck in these dang blow downs.makes for sme crawling and climbing all in the same sentence lol.and deffently interesting..........get em ya black and tans.....

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Posted by riproarinkennel on 02-22-2010 05:42 PM:

DarkMan

You started this thread. Click on "edit" and then "delete" in the upper left-hand corner and it will be history. I enjoyed your story and do understand that it was all in fun. Sorry if I helped ruin your post.

Posted by rmcmillan on 02-22-2010 07:20 PM:

Re: Re: buckets

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Originally posted by jculler8
In PA you are not allowed to "hunt" over bait, meaning carry a firearm, however, there is nothing in writing stating that you cannot "train" a dog over bait. You are allowed to "train" year round in PA and a nite hunt cast would be considered training.

Buckets are allowed to be used in PA. Heck out of season, you can load your hunting spots with corn and feed for all PA game and face zero consequences.

The bait law in PA is written primarily for the deer and bear hunters.

I have had friends arrested for hunting over bait, ( corn ) they did not deny they did and were fined. The judge ( or what ever Pa calls them ) said it has to grow to not be considered bait. Anything that dose not grow on its own at the location and has been cast out was considered bait.

IF A NITE HUNT IS CONSIDERED JUST TRAINING THEN WHY IN THE PAST DID CLUBS HAVE TO GET A PERMIT FROM THE GAME COMMISION TO HAVE A HUNT. AND YES UKC CALLS THEM NITE HUNTS.

Also as to the laws. The little books that they give to you when you purchase your licsense is just a pamphlet. The law man will have a very large book that will interpret the law alot better than you or I ever could.

As for baiting all your hunting spots out of season. Well when season come in you have to have it gone by a certain amount of time ( maybe a week or two ) I am not sure on that. So if your buckets are full to train all week Friday and Saturday would not be legall.

I am just saying check it out before it is to late. Maybe call Pa game commission and find out for sure then post it on here so we all know.

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