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Posted by dean jamerson on 01-27-2010 01:03 PM:

How does this head affect burn time on the light?

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Posted by Robert Johnson on 01-27-2010 02:19 PM:

increases it, but not nearly as much as some of the other guys are advertising...

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Posted by Ray Conrad on 01-27-2010 03:03 PM:

Burntimes

Burntimes with any head are totally dependent on the amp hours of the batteries used. Most lights being used today use either a 3800 mah battery or a 4500 mah battery. Bright Eyes mainly uses a 4500 mah battery. On these batteries the new head will do approximately 8 hours wide open(at the brightest setting) and approximately 400 hours at a nominal walking light. On the 3800 mah battery burntimes will be slightly less. The head has a very good spot. If you shine it on a wall you will see a very white hot center but it does have enough spill to illuminate the surrounding area so you dont get the looking down the tunnel effect that happens will some other led heads. See you at the Classic

Posted by Tom T on 01-28-2010 01:09 PM:

Seen thnew head 1-27-10 . It the best builted on out there.Ray done some great work on this head. Best looking and BRIGHT.

Posted by poolecw on 01-29-2010 01:29 PM:

How does this LED head compare in brightness to the Smart Light LED head? Also, how do they compare in battery life?

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Posted by jdw2920 on 01-29-2010 09:36 PM:

Seen the new led light today its nice just high. Nearly as much as a new light so I don't know if there worth it for me. They are nice and well built. Seem to be bright

Posted by JLingle_bluedog on 01-30-2010 10:39 PM:

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Originally posted by poolecw
How does this LED head compare in brightness to the Smart Light LED head? Also, how do they compare in battery life?

It Won't! The style lights you’re talking about won't compare to these new heads on a regular belt battery pack, at least not in brightness it's just that simple. I'm not sure what kind of life and hours this head will run with a regular battery or how it will compare? I’m sorry but I just can’t see what the issues are with batteries and burn times? I hunt several hours each night make several drops but if you charge your light every day before going out its not going to go dead? Just don't see the problems but I am looking for brightness though.

The predator or smart light style lights won't compare in brightness not even close. Lumens are around 120 or so for the smart light and I think 700 for the predator? Don't take that to the bank but I pretty sure anyways.

The K-light G2 advantage is the first head pictured here, it’s on the first page in this post. It is 800 lumens probably the next best and brightest thing out there.

This New Bright Eyes light is 1200 lumens!! 400 lumens more than the G2, should make a noticeable difference in brightness. It will be the brightest thing out for a while and when the technology changes Ray has designed this head to be upgraded. That too is a first with any LED light, others will just go obsolete or you will have to sell them and buy a new one. I’m really looking forward to this new light.

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Posted by Texas7Mag on 01-30-2010 10:55 PM:

OK , I was at the Winter Classic yesterday and wanted to get to the bottom of all this new led talk . I went to each booth (Bright Eyes and K-Light) and listened to the sales pitches . I have a Pro head now but wanted either the G2 or the new Bright Eyes . A buddy of mine bought the Bright Eyes and another buddy of mine bought the G2 . Last night using my 21v Cajun belt light we went to the woods and compared all 3 . I now own the K-Light G2 head . It has a whiter and alot tighter beam than my Pro Head and yes it is brighter . The G2 throws the same beam as the Bright Eyes but to all of us the G2 was alittle brighter . It wasnt alot brighter but you could tell just a little difference . So I dont know about all the Lumens things and all that but to the human eye the G2 seems brighter . The Bright Eyes is definatly a nice light so I guess it comes down to personal preference .

Posted by Jim Hill on 01-30-2010 11:03 PM:

everyone should just go with the brand they like and stop with all this bashing back and forth, ive had 4 bright eyes light and had very little trob with them,if i did i sent it back got it fixed fast ,ill be getting me one of these new heads,im sure its brighter than the one that come with a reg bright eyes ,so hey thats brighter than what i got right now ,NEVER BEEN TREATED BAD BY ANYONE AT BRIGHT EYES LIGHT,BEST BAR NONE ON THE MARKET !!!!!

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Posted by englishpride on 01-30-2010 11:19 PM:

i got to disagree with you on the predator light i have one and i also have a bright eyes 21 volt light the predator is just as bright, the bright eyes will not drown it out at all.however the predators spot is really tight,but its very lite weight and has no cord or batt.pack what i do is when comp.hunting i take my bright eyes but when pleasure hunting i take the predator.also when dealing with l.e.d. lights the coon can be a little more aggrevating to find but thats just my oppion.

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Posted by on 01-31-2010 02:28 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JLingle_bluedog
It Won't! The style lights you’re talking about won't compare to these new heads on a regular belt battery pack, at least not in brightness it's just that simple. I'm not sure what kind of life and hours this head will run with a regular battery or how it will compare? I’m sorry but I just can’t see what the issues are with batteries and burn times? I hunt several hours each night make several drops but if you charge your light every day before going out its not going to go dead? Just don't see the problems but I am looking for brightness though.

The predator or smart light style lights won't compare in brightness not even close. Lumens are around 400 or so.

The K-light G2 advantage is the first head pictured here, it’s on the first page in this post. It is 800 lumens probably the next best and brightest thing out there.

This New Bright Eyes light is 1200 lumens!! 400 lumens more than the G2, should make a noticeable difference in brightness. It will be the brightest thing out for a while and when the technology changes Ray has designed this head to be upgraded. That too is a first with any LED light, others will just go obsolete or you will have to sell them and buy a new one. I’m really looking forward to this new light.

I know what they are advertised at but I have a hard time believing any of these lumen ratings. I am sure that the led they are using are rated at these lumens but they are not pushing enough current with the drivers to bring it to its max lumen output. Most Led’s output 100 lumens per 350 ma. By the burn times being advertised and ma hour batteries being used the G2 and the bright eyes head are using 0.5625 ma a little over 1/2 an amp. I don’t see how they can get the advertised lumens at those values even with a boost driver. I can tell you that the smart light is 120 lumens I measured it with a lumen meter myself and it is brighter than the predator that is advertised at 700 lumens. The 5w Stanley spot light is 196 lumens I also measure it and it is a tad brighter than the G2 head that is advertised at 800 lumens. Hunt with the lights and see which one you like the best but don’t buy one because of the lumen rating and expect it to be the brightest.

Posted by poolecw on 01-31-2010 02:34 AM:

These companies can claim their lights are 10,000 lumens if they wanted to. There is no regulatory agency overseeing or conducting independent testing to determine actual lumens. So they can say what they want to say about how many lumens their lights have.

quote:
Originally posted by JLingle_bluedog
It Won't! The style lights you’re talking about won't compare to these new heads on a regular belt battery pack, at least not in brightness it's just that simple. I'm not sure what kind of life and hours this head will run with a regular battery or how it will compare? I’m sorry but I just can’t see what the issues are with batteries and burn times? I hunt several hours each night make several drops but if you charge your light every day before going out its not going to go dead? Just don't see the problems but I am looking for brightness though.

The predator or smart light style lights won't compare in brightness not even close. Lumens are around 400 or so.

The K-light G2 advantage is the first head pictured here, it’s on the first page in this post. It is 800 lumens probably the next best and brightest thing out there.

This New Bright Eyes light is 1200 lumens!! 400 lumens more than the G2, should make a noticeable difference in brightness. It will be the brightest thing out for a while and when the technology changes Ray has designed this head to be upgraded. That too is a first with any LED light, others will just go obsolete or you will have to sell them and buy a new one. I’m really looking forward to this new light.

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Posted by Sam Davis on 01-31-2010 03:35 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by poolecw
These companies can claim their lights are 10,000 lumens if they wanted to. There is no regulatory agency overseeing or conducting independent testing to determine actual lumens. So they can say what they want to say about how many lumens their lights have.

In defense of Mike Kelley and Ray Conrad, drop in modules like the ones they are using are available with the lumens output as they state. The lumen output is stated by the manufacturer on their respective websites.

Posted by yadkinriverjim on 01-31-2010 04:07 AM:

I agree that the best thing to do is look and make your mind up for yourself. I will elaborate that all leds dont put out 100 lumen per 350 ma some do as little as 50 to 60 and some as much as 115 to 120 all depends on the led. I will also add that the output of different leds is not a flat line graph ie 80 at 350 ma does not equate to 160 at 700 ma and 240 at 1050 ma. Also I have never seen a Lumen meter and would be interested in how it measures lumens. we can measure lux,lumens per square meter, how was this converted.

Posted by JLingle_bluedog on 01-31-2010 04:14 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by poolecw
How does this LED head compare in brightness to the Smart Light LED head? Also, how do they compare in battery life?

quote:
Originally posted by poolecw
These companies can claim their lights are 10,000 lumens if they wanted to. There is no regulatory agency overseeing or conducting independent testing to determine actual lumens. So they can say what they want to say about how many lumens their lights have.

If you don't agree then that is fine but it is up to you to decide for yourself. I was just wondering why you would ask a question if you didn't want a response. If you own a smart light or whatever that is fine too, I wasn't knocking you or any other light out there but I answered you question. If you want to go buy 10 different lights and compare them all that’s fine also but other than that your stuck going by the way it's rated, which are lumens. As for the rest of your comment, I’m not sure that anyone could answer that except for the companies you’re inferring about. I wouldn't think that a company like this would put their creditability in jeopardy by lying over something like that.

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Posted by JLingle_bluedog on 01-31-2010 04:21 AM:

The way these lights are rated is in Lumens, their output is measured in lux, lumens/ per square foot. However I do agree that there are many variables to how bright a LED can be given many factors. The LED themselves are rated as lumens higher the # brighter they get depending factors include drivers, reflector, batteries among other things I’m sure.
Here is a web site where you can actually calculate this conversion:
http://www.unitconversion.org/illum...conversion.html

I’ll say this and I’m done, I have full confidence in this company and their products. It was said earlier by the builder of this light that the new head was designed to be UPDATED as newer technology becomes available. So that leads me to believe that they are currently already using the best equipment that is available, which would probably mean that the 1,200 lumens this head is rated for can and would be very easily achievable. Choose whichever light you like the best and don’t worry about what anyone else says about them.

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Posted by Jim Hill on 01-31-2010 06:16 AM:

i have a dominator will this head work with it without any changes

Posted by cliff flanders on 01-31-2010 11:48 AM:

I bought one yesterday at WC they told me it would work on any light 20 v or better tried mine last night it is way brighter than my 21v bright eyes head all i know and the folks at bright eyes were nice to deal with thanks

Posted by Kenneth Tavares on 01-31-2010 08:53 PM:

Well Singletary and I both bought one of these heads. On our way home the heads lights went out on his auto. We held both lights out the window to see the road. All the cars that were approaching us were flashing their lights and pulling over(I think they thought a airplane was landing on the Interstate).Then, all of a sudden one group of cars didn't pull over. Before we knew what happened there was a 20 car pile up on the interstate.

This light is BRIGHT with a TIGHT spot!

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Posted by coondogchick on 02-01-2010 08:26 AM:

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Originally posted by Texas7Mag
OK , I was at the Winter Classic yesterday and wanted to get to the bottom of all this new led talk . I went to each booth (Bright Eyes and K-Light) and listened to the sales pitches . I have a Pro head now but wanted either the G2 or the new Bright Eyes . A buddy of mine bought the Bright Eyes and another buddy of mine bought the G2 . Last night using my 21v Cajun belt light we went to the woods and compared all 3 . I now own the K-Light G2 head . It has a whiter and alot tighter beam than my Pro Head and yes it is brighter . The G2 throws the same beam as the Bright Eyes but to all of us the G2 was alittle brighter . It wasnt alot brighter but you could tell just a little difference . So I dont know about all the Lumens things and all that but to the human eye the G2 seems brighter . The Bright Eyes is definatly a nice light so I guess it comes down to personal preference .

i also saw the g2 klight and the brighteyes head in a side by side comparison and the g2 head is much brighter. it is the brightest head out there right now. bar-none!!! no spotlight needed with the g2 led head

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Posted by jdw2920 on 02-01-2010 12:35 PM:

The sign at the bright eyes booth said 17 volt or better and the led head would work with it. I also asked the guy there and he said that it would work on my 17v eliminator so I believe the post about 21v or better is wrong its 17v and up.

Posted by Robert Johnson on 02-01-2010 12:35 PM:

Picked mine up at the classic, and finally got to use it last night night. It is bright, and easy to use. weight on bump cap is un-noticeable, compared to the 5100 style head. spot is tight, and there are no dark spots with this head. I guess the real thing that would make someone purchase this one compared to others, would be construction. All aluminium. no plastic. USA made. Ray's service has been top notch for me in past, and i would expect it to remain so. When you look at this head, you can see the hours of thought and design that has went into this. It is not something that has just been thrown together to market quickly and sell a lot of. I am sure there are others, and each person should pick their choice. Mine is the bright eyes, not only because of its quality and looks, but because of past dealings with them, and maybe most important, you won't hear Ray talking down someone else's product. He simply lets his stand the test of time.

Posted by poolecw on 02-01-2010 01:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JLingle_bluedog
If you don't agree then that is fine but it is up to you to decide for yourself. I was just wondering why you would ask a question if you didn't want a response. If you own a smart light or whatever that is fine too, I wasn't knocking you or any other light out there but I answered you question. If you want to go buy 10 different lights and compare them all that’s fine also but other than that your stuck going by the way it's rated, which are lumens. As for the rest of your comment, I’m not sure that anyone could answer that except for the companies you’re inferring about. I wouldn't think that a company like this would put their creditability in jeopardy by lying over something like that.

Get your panties out of a wad. I wasn't knocking anyone's product or infering the Bright Eyes guy was lying about lumens. I simply stated that they are not regulated and they aren't working off any industry standards. With that being said, the only way to compare different LED products would be to either do a side by side comparison or get opinions from other consumers. And thats what I was asking in that post.

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Posted by Ray Conrad on 02-01-2010 01:24 PM:

Thanks

I would like to personally thank everyone for the response to our newest addition "WHITE LIGHTNING". It was a huge success for us this weekend at the classic. I am very proud of it and believe it will be "The Head" for the future. Guys, I could make the head a tick brighter now, but to do so I would have to give up durability and reliability and I am not willing to do that. There is no brighter head on the market. Realize battery condition and charge can have slight effects on the brightness. Also, the head will work on a 17v light but that is on the edge of compatibility I would much prefer to see it used on 20 volts and up. It will also work on any light on the market over twenty volts as long as it is constructed tip positive on the head jack, 99% of lights built today are tip positive if you have a question please call me. Bright Eyes will continue to bring to our customers the most professionally constructed highest quality most durable products available for our demanding sport. There is a lot of misleading information out there right now about LED'S. Bright Eyes will give it to you straight will dependability and brightness.

Posted by on 02-01-2010 02:13 PM:

I brought one this weekend at the Winter Classic and used it on saturday night. I really love this light. It is a nicely made design bright, tight light. You guys looking for a nice light, buy this one. You will be glad you did.

Thanks Ray for a nice light.

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