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Thats like getting a touchdown scored on you and punting the ball back to the opposing team and giving up your turn at offence...

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Don't know football sorry........

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
Don't know football sorry........

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This is going in the wrong direction........now
Marv. you ask for opinions theres' mine.............

I respect your opinion george, but i disagree that the second dog should have the option advantage over the first.
Im all for anything that helps the best dog win and i dont see this rule helping to that effect as it is now.

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
This is going in the wrong direction........now
Marv. you ask for opinions theres' mine.............

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Option advantage hummmmm.........Thats' what we got now ..............
Change will probably be coming.
But until then we got what we got.............. later

longshot you take care..............no desrespect taken,healthy and sometimes funny analogies

Anyone else willing to tackle this one..................JiM... weightin... your turn..........I'm retireing to the gallery.......

If I have treed two trees with coons in them and your carrying 100 and have done nothing.

1) You should withdraw and shake hands and say great job.

2) I deserve to get 100 strike now to help my score cause your piece of crap is keeping mine from running up a good one.

but what if you are the one that trees the first coon and is recast to dog trailing and take 25 then dog trailing trees a coon and your dog is working a new track and that dog is cut in to your dog and strikes the same track with him but gets 100 now they have both done the same job but he is 75 up on the same coon that your dog struck first. dont seem fair to me.

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
Option advantage hummmmm.........Thats' what we got now ..............
Change will probably be coming.
But until then we got what we got.............. later

longshot you take care..............no desrespect taken,healthy and sometimes funny analogies

Anyone else willing to tackle this one..................JiM... weightin... your turn..........I'm retireing to the gallery.......

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
The leash lock option implemented now is just that.... an option to be exercised at the handlers descrection.
I personally like going back in for 100 strike pts. on the non-working dog(s) or others dog(s) trailing after the two coons have been scored or 1 hr. hunt time has expired which ever occurs first.The way I understand the leashlock option it starts every time a dog(s) are scored and there are trailers out.I like the reset of the strike pts for the hustling dog(s) after the requirements have been meet to do so..

"If you agree, I would like to know what you think of just adding another sentence to rule 7 like: no dog shall be struck in over a dog that is not considered a non working dog as outlined in rule 7."

In this (e.g.) Marv. that dog had the opportunity to get treed w/ the dog(s) that have been scored on two trees or 1 hr.The dog(s) choose not to for whatever reason.

If two coons have been scored or 1 hr has elapsed how do you justify that the other dog(s) are not working as part of the cast that the dog(s) have been scored on?
I don't thing it needs fixin. It ain't broke.IMO

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Originally posted by T Felderman
I agree 2 coons open it back up. 100

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I don't thing it needs fixin. It ain't broke.IMO [/B]

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I have been thinking about this rule since the world hunt and have discussed it with many people. Untill now I had not talked to anyone that thought it should not be revised.
This situation hardly ever came up before the option to recast rule was implemented, because you had to get all treed dogs gathered up before recasting.
I believe that a dog should never be allowed to be struck in over a dog that has not met the qualifications of being a nonworking dog.

heres another scenario.
4 dogs struck, dogs a and b tree together, are scored plus and must be recast and are struck back in for 25 each.
dog d is now treed and scored plus, and must be recast.
he goes to dogs a and b and helps them run their track and is struck for 100 on the same track.

I respect both of your opinions. I have been wrong many times before, I just need a little convincing on why this rule should not be looked at being revised. I am all ears.

2 complete coons scored by 1 dog.i thank the orange book
says the only time it can be opened is if all dogs can compete
for it.i thank if a dog is treed and has a coon everything
not with him are treed in that 5 min should be scratched
then it would reopen for 100 everytime.

i believe any tme your casting back into dogs all you should be able to strike back in for is a 25 or they do need to revise this rule it makes no sense that my dog strikes the track first gets a quarter and the other dogs coming into his track get 100 and 75

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Originally posted by Trent B
but what if you are the one that trees the first coon and is recast to dog trailing and take 25 then dog trailing trees a coon and your dog is working a new track and that dog is cut in to your dog and strikes the same track with him but gets 100 now they have both done the same job but he is 75 up on the same coon that your dog struck first. dont seem fair to me.

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Marv I know that I said I would spectate ...............but.

"4 dogs struck, dogs a and b tree together, are scored plus and must be recast and are struck back in for 25 each.
dog d is now treed and scored plus, and must be recast.
he goes to dogs a and b and helps them run their track and is struck for 100 on the same track"

In this scenario your exactly right.

What if you proposed changeing the number of coons in rule 7 from 2 to 1 that would help in this particular situation given?
Dog d would be going in for 50 not 100.
Dogs a and b would go in for 1st and 2ed strike pts.
In this situation the recast option does not exist this is a must recast situation.

Just trying to help and trying to see things from your angle.
I can make the adjustment as a handler.

Why not do away with rule 7 altogether?

I don't feel like it is applied properly most of the time to start with, and when it is applied properly, it gives an unfair advantage to the dogs coming back in off the second tree. I'd rather see it changed to rule # 6R and read as follows:


rule 6R
If dog is not working as part of cast and is holding first strike or second strike etc, all strike points will be open to other dogs after coons have been treed in 2 seperate trees, "AND" 1 hr of hunting time has elapsed.


It's just simpler and fairer to everyone put them in the truck after an hour of hunting time. I have seen dogs in that situation get treed 5 minutes after the second tree was scored with dogs struck back in over them on the same track and that wasn't fair to them in my opinion. I'd say give them the hour, if they haven't tree'd that deer or fox by then put them in the truck and go on with the hunt.









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Marv,

I don't think the going back in for 25 points is a good option. We have to remember we are not only completing with the dogs in our cast we are competing with other cast to.

I agree that the current rule is confusing and only will lead confusing situations. It does need to be simplier without punishing the dogs treeing coons.

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My vote would be for deleting the entire rule. What that leaves you with is a dog being struck for next available in every situation. If a dog carries strike points all night without treeing a coon, that's the breaks. This game is riddled with good breaks and bad breaks, good drops and bad drops, honey holes and dry holes. That has always been a part of this game. Get rid of rule 7 and card them for next available.

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Originally posted by JiM
My vote would be for deleting the entire rule. What that leaves you with is a dog being struck for next available in every situation. If a dog carries strike points all night without treeing a coon, that's the breaks. This game is riddled with good breaks and bad breaks, good drops and bad drops, honey holes and dry holes. That has always been a part of this game. Get rid of rule 7 and card them for next available.

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Ohh buddy...that had to hurt.

maybe we should do away with the strike end all together.
i mean who wants a dog that can go out and find a coon
where the rest of them can race him to the tree.

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Originally posted by JiM
My vote would be for deleting the entire rule. What that leaves you with is a dog being struck for next available in every situation. If a dog carries strike points all night without treeing a coon, that's the breaks. This game is riddled with good breaks and bad breaks, good drops and bad drops, honey holes and dry holes. That has always been a part of this game. Get rid of rule 7 and card them for next available.

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