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Posted by mick mclaughlin on 01-09-2010 03:06 PM:

I would rather you didn't do that Rebel.

As someone else mentioned, my point was to keep in mind that returning the dogs to even moderate temps, is going to be a shock after being in a home.

It was -4 here this morning, I know that is a warm summer day for you folks in north, but my dogs are fine in it, and will not have a shock to their system in the next few days as the weather warms.

I am just saying that a lot of times, people's good intentions hurt dogs more then the weather.

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Posted by Velocity on 01-09-2010 03:14 PM:

I just cleaned out the boxes last week and added new straw,And after a couple of days added a little more just on the sides and back. Also when i'm transporting my dogs i put towels over the the doors of my box and you would be suprised how much warmer they are when you get to that spot 45 mins away.I also have straw in my truck box aswell. I do this for my own piece of mind. As far as water they have a heated 5 gallon water bucket .And i also feed blackgold 26/18. Anytime we have a cold streak i usualy go out in the evening and give them an extra cup of warm/hot soaked food each. But my dogs are also my buddy's so i don't mind going that extra mile for them :< )

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Posted by runnin rebels on 01-09-2010 04:23 PM:

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Originally posted by mick mclaughlin
I would rather you didn't do that Rebel.

As someone else mentioned, my point was to keep in mind that returning the dogs to even moderate temps, is going to be a shock after being in a home.

I am just saying that a lot of times, people's good intentions hurt dogs more then the weather.

Have a good one

I think the point of the post is having a dog die that has been left out in the bitter cold even with the best dog house, heated water and purina pro plan performance in its belly... leaves people to think wow that poor dog died in the cold.

How many posts have you seen like this...It was 20 below this week so I brought fido in to lay by the fire and he up and died. I bet everyone that would read that would say "he died peaceful" Perhaps the minority would think he died of shock.

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Posted by mick mclaughlin on 01-09-2010 05:40 PM:

Well I have obviously irritated ya somehow, and I am sorry.

like I said, i just believe for a relatively healthy dog, it is much better to let them adjust to the cold rather then bring them in the house and turn 'em back out.

I think folks try to place dog in human terms and it's just not the same. humans can put a coat on , or take it off.

If a dog dies because of someone's good intentions they are still dead.

I personally believe it is better to leave a healthy dog outside, with proper precautions.

I understand that is not everyone's opinion.

have a good one.

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Posted by Trail_bawler on 01-09-2010 05:44 PM:

Got my oldest dog in but the young ones will just fine...A little bitchy but fine.....

Posted by max destruction on 01-09-2010 05:54 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by mick mclaughlin
Well I have obviously irritated ya somehow, and I am sorry.

like I said, i just believe for a relatively healthy dog, it is much better to let them adjust to the cold rather then bring them in the house and turn 'em back out.

I think folks try to place dog in human terms and it's just not the same. humans can put a coat on , or take it off.

If a dog dies because of someone's good intentions they are still dead.

I personally believe it is better to leave a healthy dog outside, with proper precautions.

I understand that is not everyone's opinion.

have a good one.

I agree completly!! IF there healthy!!

Posted by on 01-09-2010 06:46 PM:

"STORY TIME"

A lil story for ya'll, a past freind of mine by the name of Stan Purdue who passed on to the happy huntin ground's a few year's back had some experience in regards to bringin'um in & takin'um out every mornin.

Stan was one of a couple in this country that couldn't help themself but to give lot's of scratch to the Utchman's. He had bought GrNtCh Utchmans southern Blue "Joleene". Had a young female outa her & southern Blue "Pride" that was flat gettin with the program by the name of "Jody". I may be wrong but I think he had the "Alonzo" dog as well? Like I said,I may be off on the certainty of him but all in all it don't matter I guess.

Anyway,Stan lived in a burb of Milwaukee. He had a nice lil building & kennel's. Stan was all about the best dog's & care. One winter it was cold by our up'nort standards so Stan thought he was doin rite by his Blue freind's & started takin them in the house at night then back out in the mornin before he left for work. Within a couple day's everyone he had got severe pnamonia & despite all the vet run's,stay's, med's & TLC he lost every dog he owned at the time.

Can't even imagine how much $$ he had handed over in the name of the his hound collection & other stuff?!

In his mind he was 100% posative he was doin them rite when in fact he signed their death warrant. -25 & more into & out of +70 degree's is a 95 degree difference either way ya slice it.

Like was said,they don't put on or take off layer's like we do & it take's a bit to warm up a cold condo after the stay inside.

I can see the need if'n ya got poor housing,old & maybe ill hounds that need that extra TLC but I learned off'n Stan's mistake. If they ain't in they ain't comin in for the most part but they do get the absolute best of care & the village is full of happy healthy hound's.

Rest in peace Stan & oh yeah, "TREE JOLEENE"!

Posted by runnin rebels on 01-09-2010 06:51 PM:

you didn't irritate me. I agree they can adjust to the cold. There is no adjusting to 20 below.

Ever since Gore invented global warming I have had my truck running constantly...maybe someday I will be able to leave my dogs outside all thru January.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 01-09-2010 07:36 PM:

I buy those cheapest hamburger patties you can get. The ones that come in the big rolls. Taste like crap becouse they are all fat. I take two and throw them in the microwave just to get them hot. The edges cook but the center is still raw. I give one to each dog out side along with there food soaked in hot water. I think they are gaining weight on it. Oh put a little milk in there water too. Learned the milk in water and hot water in food on here.

There dog house is and old deep freezer with a hole cut in it and filled with hay. They allso have a igloo with hay but they only get in it in the summer. LOL

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Posted by Dan Dogs on 01-09-2010 08:18 PM:

Re: "STORY TIME"

quote:
Originally posted by Two toes
A lil story for ya'll, a past freind of mine by the name of Stan Purdue who passed on to the happy huntin ground's a few year's back had some experience in regards to bringin'um in & takin'um out every mornin.

Stan was one of a couple in this country that couldn't help themself but to give lot's of scratch to the Utchman's. He had bought GrNtCh Utchmans southern Blue "Joleene". Had a young female outa her & southern Blue "Pride" that was flat gettin with the program by the name of "Jody". I may be wrong but I think he had the "Alonzo" dog as well? Like I said,I may be off on the certainty of him but all in all it don't matter I guess.

Anyway,Stan lived in a burb of Milwaukee. He had a nice lil building & kennel's. Stan was all about the best dog's & care. One winter it was cold by our up'nort standards so Stan thought he was doin rite by his Blue freind's & started takin them in the house at night then back out in the mornin before he left for work. Within a couple day's everyone he had got severe pnamonia & despite all the vet run's,stay's, med's & TLC he lost every dog he owned at the time.

Can't even imagine how much $$ he had handed over in the name of the his hound collection & other stuff?!

In his mind he was 100% posative he was doin them rite when in fact he signed their death warrant. -25 & more into & out of +70 degree's is a 95 degree difference either way ya slice it.

Like was said,they don't put on or take off layer's like we do & it take's a bit to warm up a cold condo after the stay inside.

I can see the need if'n ya got poor housing,old & maybe ill hounds that need that extra TLC but I learned off'n Stan's mistake. If they ain't in they ain't comin in for the most part but they do get the absolute best of care & the village is full of happy healthy hound's.

Rest in peace Stan & oh yeah, "TREE JOLEENE"!

your rite tt, that in and out stuff is no good...when my old dog comes in the house, he's in for the duration of the winter..i introduced a bloodline to my kennel thru my sable female back a few yrs ago...her and half her pups could absolutely not cope with cold weather...i'm talking below 20 degrees and they will not come out of there doghouse..every dog left out of her that is living have to be kept warm or they will die for sure..they would leave warm soaked feed to freeze and would only eat dry food.. if they were not in a house they would not consume enuff water to stay alive in the cold..there fur was slick as mole hair and would not develope a winter coat..they could take the summer heat better than any dog i've ever seen..tree for hrs and hardly pant when pulled away...she was southern blooded and only a person from the north would see the hole in that bloodline..which i no longer have in my kennel...guess what i'm saying is there is dogs out there that don't have the genetics to handle harsh winters..she was from a very popular reproducing line of dogs..i later found out that her mother was always kept in a house in the winter...just something to think about when breeding dogs in the north...breed for winter hardiness...

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Posted by on 01-09-2010 08:19 PM:

A good insulated dog house with fresh straw before each cold spell and located out of the wind, and increased rations of quality feed and fresh water in heated buckets. That's all 90% of hounds need to handle the cold.
Bringing them in and out is hard on them. They can't acclimate if you're doing that.
If you're worried, put them in air crates on a porch or in the basement (somewhere above freezing but not as warm as the house) or double them up in a dog box inside an unheated garage. They'll be fine.
Common sense goes a long way. Feed them quality feed and plenty of it. I switch to self feeders in the fall and keep them full until mid February and then switch back to rations. I freshen up the bedding just before severe cold snaps. Keep an eye on them. If they aren't coming out to eat or are in the box barking, they are freezing!
I know hunters that use some poor quality houses, feed poor dog feed, and often have frozen water pails yet they've never lost dogs to the cold.
Keeping them out of the wind is the key.
Young pups and older dogs might need a little extra care. Maybe a kennel in the garage, or a heat lamp, or move them inside for the winter only going outside for bathroom breaks but DO NOT be leaving them out all day and then in at night! You'll have sick dogs!

Posted by Grant Noeske on 01-09-2010 08:42 PM:

Ben, the RIP post on Drifter might be one of the posts you were talking about... He had been battling cancer all fall, so Dad finally took him into the vet's office and had him put to sleep.

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Posted by lauraroeder on 01-09-2010 08:47 PM:

good post....common sense approach....

quote:
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A good insulated dog house with fresh straw before each cold spell and located out of the wind, and increased rations of quality feed and fresh water in heated buckets. That's all 90% of hounds need to handle the cold.
Bringing them in and out is hard on them. They can't acclimate if you're doing that.
If you're worried, put them in air crates on a porch or in the basement (somewhere above freezing but not as warm as the house) or double them up in a dog box inside an unheated garage. They'll be fine.
Common sense goes a long way. Feed them quality feed and plenty of it. I switch to self feeders in the fall and keep them full until mid February and then switch back to rations. I freshen up the bedding just before severe cold snaps. Keep an eye on them. If they aren't coming out to eat or are in the box barking, they are freezing!
I know hunters that use some poor quality houses, feed poor dog feed, and often have frozen water pails yet they've never lost dogs to the cold.
Keeping them out of the wind is the key.
Young pups and older dogs might need a little extra care. Maybe a kennel in the garage, or a heat lamp, or move them inside for the winter only going outside for bathroom breaks but DO NOT be leaving them out all day and then in at night! You'll have sick dogs!

will add a few more. when living in western n.y and now here in n. il., i found that going out several times a day with feed and water was good idea. it gave me a chance to check on the hounds condition. i always pull mine out! i don't care what the temperature is....i make them move around. to circulate their system and clean out if they haven't. watch for this as it is a tell tale sign as well. i used shavings in the bottom of the house and straw on top. our openings are on the side of the front and there was a partition so they could go around and curl up. we used rubber flaps and not a bag of any type that could get stringy and possibly choke a hound to death. another thing we liked....bunking two of them together. if they were a lil quarelsome on food? just take one away and feed outside the pen. bunking together is real good way for them to keep warm. we also did bales of straw around houses and added a lil extra to insulation. have never lost one to the cold, and a friend in mn. has never either. he also believes out of the wind!

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Posted by coondogs704 on 01-09-2010 10:29 PM:

Here's a cheap fix to protect from the winter winds and elements:

We have our kennels linked side by side in a row. We put large boards along the back and sides of them. We ran kennel panels along the top for a roof and then tarped it. We also tarped the front panel of the kennels and hooked it with bungee cords. We unhook to feed/water and check on them every day. Our dogs are wrapped up like Christmas presents! It is quite a bit warmer than the outside air! Kind of like a "greenhouse" effect??? We've had a few rough winters these past years and we have it down to a science!

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Posted by anscox on 01-09-2010 10:31 PM:

MICK...

May not be popular, but you are certainly right! Even the best of intentions by the most loving owner can be wrong.

5 years working as a Vet tech, the majority of cold related deaths in the winter were:
1) Old dogs
2) Young pups unable to regulate their temperature yet
3) Dogs who were brought in for short periods due to the cold, then put back out.

The best thing an owner can do of coarse is keep their dogs inside year round. This is not possible, or even practical for many hound owners due to a number of reasons.

So, next best thing is to provide the best you can for those who are outside. Well insulated dog house, wind/snow block for their kennel, heated water or frequently changed bucket (not once or twice daily in freezing temps...), high quality food, and proper vet care. Even then, some are more succeptable to cold than others.

On the flip side, heat is much more of a threat for hounds. And how many on here will hunt their dogs HARD when it's 100+ degrees on a hot still summer night and not give a thought to it?

Now, we do currently have 1 adult hound we brought it due to weather because she went into labor outside on a 12 degree day, night got down to 5 with a wind chill of -15 that night. Pups never would have made it. 3 1/2 weeks later, she and the pups are still inside awaiting 40+ degree daytime highs with nightly lows above freezing.

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Posted by GirlsHuntToo on 01-09-2010 10:49 PM:

i have all my hounds together in one stall in the barn, and my oldest one in here on the couch with me. the 7 of them together out there should b fine i think... theyv got straw bedding in a corner of the stall, and they made it thru last nite when it got down to zero

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Posted by GirlsHuntToo on 01-09-2010 10:52 PM:

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Originally posted by runnin rebels
Ever since Gore invented global warming I have had my truck running constantly...maybe someday I will be able to leave my dogs outside all thru January.

hey, if it wasnt for 'global warming' we'd be in pretty fowl shape right about now :P

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Posted by truly on 01-10-2010 12:37 AM:

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Ben, the RIP post on Drifter might be one of the posts you were talking about... He had been battling cancer all fall, so Dad finally took him into the vet's office and had him put to sleep.

Grant, sorry to hear about Drifter passing. Tough to lose an old favorite. He was a nice hound. I was not referring to Drifter, not Destiny, not any single dog in particular- and I don't want anyone who lost a dog recently to feel like this is directed towards any one particular person. This post is just a gentle reminder to all to be mindful of our current conditions.

Many different people have posted a lot of good info on what they do for their hounds. If all of us talking about what we do has encouraged one person to make one more trip out to the kennel and feed Fido another bowl of warm wet food, or to put a little more bedding in the dog house- then this post has been successful.

I am convinced that it isn't just cold weather that brings dogs to their death, it is PROLONGED COLD, which we have had, and many are still having. A dog can handle 20 below one night, might handle it the 2nd night and then die the next night when it is only 5 below. Most of us have dog facilities that are good for 95% of the conditions that might occur in our part of the country. This prolonged cold snap is that other %5 that we need to be mindful of.

We start our warmup tomorrow, mid twenties by Wednesday! Let's hope we are through the worst of it.

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Posted by HOBO on 01-10-2010 12:53 AM:

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Originally posted by GirlsHuntToo
i have all my hounds together in one stall in the barn, and my oldest one in here on the couch with me. the 7 of them together out there should b fine i think... theyv got straw bedding in a corner of the stall, and they made it thru last nite when it got down to zero

Not sure if you have a couple dog houses in there or not... But its easier for them to stay warm in a doghouse than in a open stall.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 01-10-2010 01:59 AM:

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Not sure if you have a couple dog houses in there or not... But its easier for them to stay warm in a doghouse than in a open stall.

Yep if you don't have a dog house you can make a square house out of bales of hay. Just 2 bales high in a square and leave a corner open just enough for them to get in. Throw a board or two over the top and hay on top of the board. You will have the warmest most insulated dog houses around. Might have to have 2 for that many dogs but it will sure hold there heat and keep them warm in any wearther. Oh might break a bale for bedding inside. We use to make them for our selves when I was a kid.

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