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Posted by treberta on 01-11-2010 05:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Maniac
I HALF TO DISAGREE WITH SOME PEOPLE ON HERE.
IF YOU DONT THINK YOU CAN BURN A YOUNG DOG OUT BRING IT TO ME AND THE WAY I HUNT I WILL ASURE YOU THAT THEY CAN BE BURN OUT!
A DOG THAT STARTS LATER SEEM LIKE THEY MAKE BETTER HOUNDS! THAN THE ONES THAT START EARLY!

Bingo!!!! Those people just don't hunt enough. Me and my buddy have burnt out 2 that were coming on really strong. Now there both worthless culls. I was just trying to help someone out and keep from making the same mistake I did.

Posted by treberta on 01-11-2010 05:24 PM:

If a dog has it in it it will show it anytime you start it. Pushing it while it's still a pup it not a good thing in most cases. CAN YOUN IMAGINE HOW MANY TOP YOUNG DOGS WERE RUINED BECAUSE GUYS TRIED TO GET THE 100$ WON ON THEM

Posted by on 01-11-2010 05:27 PM:

Think of it like this. You got a 10 year old son that LOVES candy. That kid can scarf down candy like no ones business. He is great at eating candy. But you give that kid candy for every meal, while he doesnt know better and you do. Before long regardless of how much he liked candy, and was good at eating bags of it, you cant force feed him any more candy. Same concept with a young hound, regardless of how much fire they have, how much natural ability and desire, if you let them hunt like a grown dog, if you push them, you will burn them out, they will get bored with it as they are not mentally mature enough to handle it.

Posted by Maniac on 01-11-2010 05:34 PM:

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Originally posted by Blue Style
Think of it like this. You got a 10 year old son that LOVES candy. That kid can scarf down candy like no ones business. He is great at eating candy. But you give that kid candy for every meal, while he doesnt know better and you do. Before long regardless of how much he liked candy, and was good at eating bags of it, you cant force feed him any more candy. Same concept with a young hound, regardless of how much fire they have, how much natural ability and desire, if you let them hunt like a grown dog, if you push them, you will burn them out, they will get bored with it as they are not mentally mature enough to handle it.

ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 01-11-2010 05:35 PM:

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Originally posted by treberta
Bingo!!!! Those people just don't hunt enough. Me and my buddy have burnt out 2 that were coming on really strong. Now there both worthless culls. I was just trying to help someone out and keep from making the same mistake I did.

Seems to me maybe us people hunt the right amount, your the one burning out pups.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 01-11-2010 05:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by treberta
Bingo!!!! Those people just don't hunt enough. Me and my buddy have burnt out 2 that were coming on really strong. Now there both worthless culls. I was just trying to help someone out.

If they had it in them you should be able to put them up for a while(time depending on age) and they will come back.
Yea I would say you can burn a young one out if you are hunting it with other dog that are in better shape,older tougher. You are allso takeing a chance of makeing a meto dog that way too though.
I think you can start them young but don't expect them to keep up with the big dogs till they are one. If they are running and treeing they should be hunting by themselves till you have them the way you want them. Then put them with company to see if they will do the same job with a trashy frien in the dark with them. If not hunt them together till it ignores the trash dog.

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Posted by Maniac on 01-11-2010 05:39 PM:

IF I TRAIN A YOUNG DOG IT WILL BE HUNTED BY ITSELF.
IT WILL BE HUNTED 7 NITES AWEEK!!
IF YOU WANT TO PACK HUNT
BY YOU A PAIR OF BEAGLES!!

Posted by Okie Dawg on 01-11-2010 06:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Maniac
IF I TRAIN A YOUNG DOG IT WILL BE HUNTED BY ITSELF.
IT WILL BE HUNTED 7 NITES AWEEK!!
IF YOU WANT TO PACK HUNT
BY YOU A PAIR OF BEAGLES!!

These hounds are naturaly pack animals. We train them to go against nature and hunt by themselves for our purposes ( to win at comp.) So if you want a independant dog get a sight hound.
I am going to make some independant hounds but will never bad mouth a hound for doing what it is bred to do.

Posted by treberta on 01-11-2010 06:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
These hounds are naturaly pack animals. We train them to go against nature and hunt by themselves for our purposes ( to win at comp.) So if you want a independant dog get a sight hound.
I am going to make some independant hounds but will never bad mouth a hound for doing what it is bred to do.

I will LOL I HATE it when a dog in a cast runs around covering my dog!

Posted by Chris.S on 01-11-2010 06:07 PM:

Refer back to Jim's ruined post. If you are doing things like beating a 9mo old pup for slick treeing or much else for that matter, then you aren't burning them out, you are ruining young started dogs.

Posted by treberta on 01-11-2010 06:10 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Chris.S
Refer back to Jim's ruined post. If you are doing things like beating a 9mo old pup for slick treeing or much else for that matter, then you aren't burning them out, you are ruining young started dogs.

Refer back to my post where it says allow them to get by with things and it will start becoming an everynight occurrence.

Posted by Maniac on 01-11-2010 06:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
These hounds are naturaly pack animals. We train them to go against nature and hunt by themselves for our purposes ( to win at comp.) So if you want a independant dog get a sight hound.
I am going to make some independant hounds but will never bad mouth a hound for doing what it is bred to do.

IF YOU WANT YOURS TO PACK GO AHEAD!
BUT I BREED FOR COON DAWGS! A PACK ANIMAL TO ME IS NOT A COON DAWG!! ITS A SHRIT TAILER!!

Posted by Okie Dawg on 01-11-2010 06:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by treberta
Refer back to my post where it says allow them to get by with things and it will start becoming an everynight occurrence.

LOL I think there is a middle ground in there some were. LOL

treberta when you get those sight dogs going I want to see them go. LOL

Posted by Maniac on 01-11-2010 06:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
LOL I think there is a middle ground in there some were. LOL

treberta when you get those sight dogs going I want to see them go. LOL

WHAT ARE YOU CALLING A SIGHT DOG?

Posted by Okie Dawg on 01-11-2010 06:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Maniac
WHAT ARE YOU CALLING A SIGHT DOG?

Greyhound
Afghan
Wolfhound
Ridgeback
Whippet

Posted by treberta on 01-11-2010 06:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
Greyhound
Afghan
Wolfhound
Ridgeback
Whippet

Last time I checked none of those breeds could tree a coon.

Posted by Bighunter1 on 01-11-2010 06:40 PM:

Sounds like to me that some of these people on here can only train hounds that are naturals. It takes a little bit of intelligence to be able to train ALL types of hounds. I like them all, just SOME people on here need to understand that every dog has a different RECIPE.

Posted by Maniac on 01-11-2010 06:43 PM:

I CAN TRAIN ANY TYP OF HOUND THAT ANYONE WANTS.
I HAVE ONLY BOUGHT 2 HOUNDS IN 34 YEARS!

Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 01-11-2010 06:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bighunter1
Sounds like to me that some of these people on here can only train hounds that are naturals. It takes a little bit of intelligence to be able to train ALL types of hounds. I like them all, just SOME people on here need to understand that every dog has a different RECIPE.

Totally guilty. A new dog is cheaper than a recipe book. 99% of the time I don't see the merit in a dog to give it any kind of special treatment or exception that allows me to coax it into treeing coon. No matter how well it is bred, how cute it is, how it looks at me, or how big its mouth is, if it can't do the job with a little bit of exposure I am not fiddeling with it for long. Some people do and that is absolutey wonderful and I admire your patience.

The difference is I hate them all till they make me not hate them. Some people love them till they make them not love them.

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Posted by John D on 01-11-2010 08:04 PM:

Re: Dogs Starting Young

Alot of the problem with pups starting out great and then hitting a plateau, becoming "burnt out" and so on is that they were culls to begin with and someone just couldn't see it. Perhaps they were born with an abundance of tree power and looked good when they were puppies, playing puppy games, hunting puppy spots and being handled like puppies around easy coons.

They done so good their owners were sure they could take the next step. But at some point the lack of tracking ability, the facebarking/illness, the junkiness, the jealous independence, etc. all started showing itself.

Its easier to say they burnt out than to admit they were culls from the beginning.

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Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 01-11-2010 08:47 PM:

Great post John, that makes a ton of sense to me.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 01-11-2010 08:49 PM:

A lot of that I handle while they are very young but the easy track for to long I think is one common mistake. Walking them up to feeders. nothing against feeders if they are use very little.

I think it is better to trap and release so you can age the track and know what your pup is capable of.

Posted by Mike Poe on 01-11-2010 09:08 PM:

I Feel the Same

quote:
Originally posted by Maniac
I HALF TO DISAGREE WITH SOME PEOPLE ON HERE.
IF YOU DONT THINK YOU CAN BURN A YOUNG DOG OUT BRING IT TO ME AND THE WAY I HUNT I WILL ASURE YOU THAT THEY CAN BE BURN OUT!
A DOG THAT STARTS LATER SEEM LIKE THEY MAKE BETTER HOUNDS! THAN THE ONES THAT START EARLY!

I agree Maniac

I like them to be close to a yr for the woods and anything before that is my time to make the pup know im the boss and the best friend

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 01-11-2010 09:13 PM:

The LARGE majority of hounds doesn't have a best friend. The get bought and sold like a used car. LOL

Posted by burdette on 01-11-2010 11:55 PM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by treberta
[B]12? good one, I have won more casts then you will ever hope to win in youre life time. Hundreds I hope to draw you out soon. I will be packing a little 30lb walker female named mouse, you will remember her name after the hunt trust me.

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