UKC Forums (http://forums.ukcdogs.com/index.php)
- UKC Coonhounds (http://forums.ukcdogs.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=4)
-- feeder buckets y/n (http://forums.ukcdogs.com/showthread.php?threadid=319166)

quote:

---

Originally posted by 1okiesawyers
What I think it boils down to is anything can be abused.. We have PLENTY of coons here in Oklahoma, and I mean PLENTY.. If I went out and set feeders for one week, I could have a half dozen coon sitting on the feeders an hour after dark... GUARANTEED.. OK, Say you feeder guys are leaving out and my cast is still sitting and drinking coffee in no hurry to leave.. We get back after the hunt and we have the highest 4- scoring dogs in the hunt.. And I mean HIGH SCORES lowest one 400... Is that fair ? Cause I can Guarantee you, a dog will strike and tree a coon every feeder.. And could probably score the tree and send them another direction and get another tree within 100 yrds.. Is this fair ?? I'll use feeders to train pups that don't know how to get out at 6-8 months old to hunt a coon !!! I don't under stand why someone would want to limit there dog to puppy standards...

---

__________________
LILLY's SOUTHERN BLACK & TANS
229-834-5908

Gr.NiteCh. Lilly's GA. Joe (GrniteCh Flippo's Mr.Bigshot X NiteCh Ace female)
Gr.NiteCh. Lilly's GA. Buckshot (Joe X Albert's Last Chance female)
'PR' Lilly&Swan's Allnight Tuff Enuf (Joe X GrNite Ch Swan's Allnight Ashley)co-owned with Jamie Swan
'PR' Lilly's Ga. Joe II (Joe X GrNiteCh Ch Swan's Allnight Ashley)
'PR' Collake's Pretty Patsy (4 Time Floyd x Rocket female)

quote:

---

Originally posted by 1okiesawyers
What I think it boils down to is anything can be abused.. We have PLENTY of coons here in Oklahoma, and I mean PLENTY.. If I went out and set feeders for one week, I could have a half dozen coon sitting on the feeders an hour after dark... GUARANTEED.. OK, Say you feeder guys are leaving out and my cast is still sitting and drinking coffee in no hurry to leave.. We get back after the hunt and we have the highest 4- scoring dogs in the hunt.. And I mean HIGH SCORES lowest one 400... Is that fair ? Cause I can Guarantee you, a dog will strike and tree a coon every feeder.. And could probably score the tree and send them another direction and get another tree within 100 yrds.. Is this fair ?? I'll use feeders to train pups that don't know how to get out at 6-8 months old to hunt a coon !!! I don't under stand why someone would want to limit there dog to puppy standards...

---

Re: .

quote:

---

Originally posted by intellectualist
Now you are confusing yourself. You state " Say you feeder guys are leaving out and my cast is still sitting and drinking coffee in no hurry to leave.. " and then you go on to state that your cast goes and hunts feeders, well, if we are all hunting feeders what difference does it make? If coons are thick like you say, I am going to have as good a chance of having coons on the buckets I go out to as you are!
Did you mean to say what if you went to buckets and my cast did'nt?
That is a different issue and why I do not put any credence in nite hunts whatsoever. The dog that wins most of the time is not the best dog but which cast gets the guide with the hottest feeders or best hunting spots!
That does not mean I belittle the folks who hunt on feeders or even disapprove of the activity for that matter. That is merely why nite hunts are irrelevant to me but I still like hunting feeder buckets sometimes!

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ray Lilly
I agree with you. Buckets are useless where you hunt with all those coons but come down here and hunt without feeders. We could find out who loves to coon hunt and whose spoiled.theres a lot of nights I question my sanity. It is also very hard to train pups down here with thin coons and big thick swamps. It would be nearly impossible without a few feeders.

---

Re: Re: .

quote:

---

Originally posted by 1okiesawyers
Sorry for the running of sentences !!! OK, If I ( my cast ) was hunting my feeders, and the other cast members was'nt ( from out of town lets say ) Was leaving out... And my cast was sitting with not a care in the world.. And we come back with ungodly amount of points, and every one was saying we treed 2-coons every turnout... And never walked a half mile.... That would be real fair would'nt it ??

---

I know what your talking about. I can't hardly train a squirrel dog here in NW Oklahoma. We have few squirrels, I have hunted for 2-weeks and not treed a squirrel. Then I talk to the guys over in Arkansas and they bag 15-20 a day.. We are blessed with a lot of coons we have treed 4-5 a night and almost catch the 10:00 O'Clock news.. I can catch a coon every night with my live trap.. But I still think a feeder is good for training, not collecting Nitech. points...

Send me some squirrel dogs to train and I'll send you some coondogs to train.lol I can see 30 squirrels in a 2 hour sit in the deer stand.

__________________
LILLY's SOUTHERN BLACK & TANS
229-834-5908

Gr.NiteCh. Lilly's GA. Joe (GrniteCh Flippo's Mr.Bigshot X NiteCh Ace female)
Gr.NiteCh. Lilly's GA. Buckshot (Joe X Albert's Last Chance female)
'PR' Lilly&Swan's Allnight Tuff Enuf (Joe X GrNite Ch Swan's Allnight Ashley)co-owned with Jamie Swan
'PR' Lilly's Ga. Joe II (Joe X GrNiteCh Ch Swan's Allnight Ashley)
'PR' Collake's Pretty Patsy (4 Time Floyd x Rocket female)

.

Well, if you are going to stop hunting feeders in competition are you then going to monitor where each cast drives to so they can be penalized for getting to where the coons are at?
If you hold a hunt here and have a cast of straight up coondogs hunting in this county versus a cast of mediocre crap dogs going two hours east of here, you can almost bet the crap dogs will win the hunt just simply because they will be in thicker coons whether on feeders or not!

quote:

---

Originally posted by CRedd
The debate on if it is fair in nite hunts to hunt on feeder buckets seems to never end, but how about looking at it differently. People will argue about it being the only way to see coon or it not being fair to the cast that doesnt, but what about the legality of it?
I dont know about other states but in VA it is illegal to "chase or hunt with dogs any wild animal from a baited site and unlawful to place, distribute, or maintain bait for any wild animal for the purpose of chasing with dogs". So looking at it from that standpoint would it be fair that the dog or handler breaking the law by hunting over buckets beats out another Nitech cast that isnt doing so?

---

intell, I drew a cast in McDowell Co. not to far from you once and there were two, 3dog nt. ch. cast and four reg cast. The afternoon before the hunt there were bad storms and it delayed the hunt. When the hunt was over only one coon had been treed out of five cast and one cast had scored 5 single coons. The cast that had treed the five coons was hunting on feeders 60miles away. I was on the winning cast but did not win it, but that night I realized that this was not fair to the others.

Re: Re: Re: :)

quote:

---

Originally posted by Jake poe
You Sound like the guys who sit around after the hunt is over and make up excuses on why their dog got beat. Yes your right i dont think outside the box, there is alittle to many people that think outside the box it shows with the world we live in today and with your comments above it shows you contribute to that classification, Congrats on your bucket dog, man i bet your proud of all your hard work

---

__________________
UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL
Grady Jarvis
808 N. Main St.
Tonkawa Okla. 74653
580-628-0507
CH 'PR' Grady's Dark Woods Waylon -Bluetic

NITECH 'PR' Grady's Insane Tinker Bell (Tink) - Treeing walker --Okla. State Hunt open redg. winner

'PR' Grady's Barley - Treeing Walker

quote:

---

Originally posted by grasspicker
intell, I drew a cast in McDowell Co. not to far from you once and there were two, 3dog nt. ch. cast and four reg cast. The afternoon before the hunt there were bad storms and it delayed the hunt. When the hunt was over only one coon had been treed out of five cast and one cast had scored 5 single coons. The cast that had treed the five coons was hunting on feeders 60miles away. I was on the winning cast but did not win it, but that night I realized that this was not fair to the others.

---

I for one would rather roll the dice if everyone did BUT that is not an option. It would be more pitting coon dog against coon dog for a track race instead of foot race.

__________________
UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL
Grady Jarvis
808 N. Main St.
Tonkawa Okla. 74653
580-628-0507
CH 'PR' Grady's Dark Woods Waylon -Bluetic

NITECH 'PR' Grady's Insane Tinker Bell (Tink) - Treeing walker --Okla. State Hunt open redg. winner

'PR' Grady's Barley - Treeing Walker

Intell

I live about 45 minutes west of you and as you know it is steep and mountainous. I have buckets out and love to turn on them tree a quick coon and go back home. Especially helps young dogs. One of the things most people won't admit is that it takes an ACCURATE tree dog to hunt buckets. The flip side is it takes a TRACK dog to run wild coon in the laurels and rockcliffs of WNC. My ideal dog is able to do both.

As far as competition hunting the most unfair thing about buckets is if I hunt every night off mine it is hard for your dog to beat mine in a hunt. I really don't see problems if you put buckets out and hunt them only with young dogs and not turn your nite hunt dog on them until you are on a cast, then everyone has the same playing field.

I have a few buckets out. I can say that there can be some faults in hunting a hound on feeders if you hunt them on feeders to much IMO. I'll just hunt around my feeders about one night a week and in doing so try not to turn my dog(dogs) lose right on top of the feeder. I'll try to let them strike the track out from the feeder so they have to track it to where ever the coon has gone being toward the feeder or where ever so they just don't fly in on the bucket and tree. I mainly use my feeders to catch a coon any night I want in a live trap to turn lose to start my young hounds with. I belive buckets can be a help to training a hound but also can be a problem if hounds are hunted alot on buckets. If there hunted to much around them I've noticed thats the first thing they look for when there turn lose is a feeder. And another problem with feeders is all the off game thats around it. Witch is ok if ur breaking a hound off off game but when I'm starting a hound I want it to think theres no other game or smell in the woods but a coon. Thats way thats all it thinks about when I turn the hound lose. Then once I get it going on coon I'll start breaking it on off game. Thats where catching the coon off the buckets in live cages come in to play so I can have just a coon around in a controlled envirment. Feeders can be good/but also have there faults if a guy isn't careful about using them IMO. But when comp hunting I think it wouldn't be fair to guide a cast to feeders and other cast get guided to areas where there isn't feeders. Just not fair. Buckets for pleasure hunting and training only.

__________________
Home of:
CH'PR' Stylish Tree Smokn Blayze
'PR' Bradford's TreeSlammin Mac

quote:

---

Originally posted by Mtn Hunter
Intell

I live about 45 minutes west of you and as you know it is steep and mountainous. I have buckets out and love to turn on them tree a quick coon and go back home. Especially helps young dogs. One of the things most people won't admit is that it takes an ACCURATE tree dog to hunt buckets. The flip side is it takes a TRACK dog to run wild coon in the laurels and rockcliffs of WNC. My ideal dog is able to do both.

As far as competition hunting the most unfair thing about buckets is if I hunt every night off mine it is hard for your dog to beat mine in a hunt. I really don't see problems if you put buckets out and hunt them only with young dogs and not turn your nite hunt dog on them until you are on a cast, then everyone has the same playing field.

---

Be thankful you have a high coon population and plenty of area to hunt. Come to NH, you will look at things a little differently for sure. 1/2 a dozen serious coon hunters in the state. Drive around with a dog box in your truck and people wonder what it is. Tell somebody you coonhunt and the first words out of their mouth is usually..."my grandfather use to have coondogs". Probably one of the lowest coon populations anywhere, farm land is gone, houses everywhere, more "junk" in the woods than anything. I see nothing wrong with having a bucket or two out to walk a pup into or hunt a finished dog off of so I'm not out all night. 5 degrees outside that last couple of nights and snow as hard as a rock, would really hate to cut a deep, one way hunting dog loose tonight without a bucket. Some guys don't know how lucky they are, come'on up for a hunt!

here where i live coon hunting is just like deer hunting if u wanna see something you gotta pay for there dinner.... we can tree a coon without a bucket but if there is not a bucket where your hunting get ready to walk 4 miles through no mans land and u better have a gps for the walk out, i like a bucket cause you can walk to 3 trees see 3 coon and be home in 2 hours.... ppl have there own opinion on them and this is mine,,,,

__________________
Eric Selby
Wild 'N Out Kennels
(423)290-6575

Home of:
Chloe Michelle Selby
Emma Grace Selby

I don't blame someone for using buckets. Buckets are a better alternative than quitting or moving somewhere else.

You'll never see a rule against buckets because it can't be enforced. Two KC's hold their world hunts where you either tree a coon off a bucket or you don't have to be concerned with treeing a coon to win.

I live in neither thin or thick coons and don't use buckets. I did put up a couple buckets a few years ago and it was nice to take a pup to it knowing chances were good to get after a coon, quick.

I won't knowingly buy into a line of dogs that are what they are because of buckets. I want dogs that hunt the country as they go and can handle a coon in a variety of situations.

__________________

Click here to visit The B&T Coonhunters Message Forum for news, views, open discussion, ads, and event winners in the B&T Breed (Registration, with your full name, required)

Click here to see my Dog List

Well, Well

I don't usually get involved with these post. BUT. Think about these few things and then decide for yourself.
1- There is not a row crop of any kind in 6 counties around.
2- The tracks of land to hunt on are decreasing DAILY.
3- The dogs we hunt today are streight line RUNNERS.
4- DEER hunters controal allmost all of the land around. NO DOG HUNTING.
5- to start a young dog around here that may be the easiest way to keep him,her off deer.
YOU MAKE THE CALL
And on the subject of feedre buckets WHY DO SOME OF THE HUNTERS FROM UP NORTH SPEND SO MUCH MONEY PAYING PEOPLE TO PUT OUT BUCKETS SO THEY CAN GUIDE AND HUNT IN THE WINTER CLASSIC?. GUIDE HUH they dont know how to help you find a dog if it got out of pocket period. ANOTHER POST THOUGH
Now don't start something on here about that statement. I know for a fact that buckets have been used in the PAST to PILE up some of the BIG scores. Yep buckets are here to stay. JUST MY OPINION H L Meyer

__________________
SHAWNEE HILL'S BLACK AND TANS

Re: Well, Well

quote:

---

Originally posted by H. L. Meyer
I don't usually get involved with these post. BUT. Think about these few things and then decide for yourself.
1- There is not a row crop of any kind in 6 counties around.
2- The tracks of land to hunt on are decreasing DAILY.
3- The dogs we hunt today are streight line RUNNERS.
4- DEER hunters controal allmost all of the land around. NO DOG HUNTING.
5- to start a young dog around here that may be the easiest way to keep him,her off deer.
YOU MAKE THE CALL
And on the subject of feedre buckets WHY DO SOME OF THE HUNTERS FROM UP NORTH SPEND SO MUCH MONEY PAYING PEOPLE TO PUT OUT BUCKETS SO THEY CAN GUIDE AND HUNT IN THE WINTER CLASSIC?. GUIDE HUH they dont know how to help you find a dog if it got out of pocket period. ANOTHER POST THOUGH
Now don't start something on here about that statement. I know for a fact that buckets have been used in the PAST to PILE up some of the BIG scores. Yep buckets are here to stay. JUST MY OPINION H L Meyer

---

__________________
Michael Ghorley

Has anybody read the rules for the HTX tests? Not allowed to use feeder buckets when the dog is hunting. But in competiton you can use them. What's the difference?

quote:

---

Originally posted by James Green
Has anybody read the rules for the HTX tests? Not allowed to use feeder buckets when the dog is hunting. But in competiton you can use them. What's the difference?

---

__________________
Michael Ghorley

I just personally would rather go to a hunt and hunt on someone's feeders. I've spent too many miserable nights wading briar patches and striking tracks that no dog can tree. I just like to tree coon and its more fun when you draw someone who can put you where there is coon. I just hunted at this hunt in Ada and our cast looked at 18 coon and scored on 9 on a 2 night hunt without feeders, but I realy think that if you are in real thin coon put some feeders out so you dont kill yourself, but in the end all that really matters is as long as you enjoy how you hunt, stick with it and let everyone else do what they like. Its a free world and its not against the rules to hunt on feeders whether you like it or not.

Buckets are fun to hunt. I don't realy see what the big deal is. If there's coon there run them. There not always a coon on the buckets. When I get my buckets going good probably 3 out of 10 drops there might have been a coon there. The other 7 dumps the dog goes on and tree's a coon somewhere else in the woods.

__________________
Home of Tunnel Hill Hounds
Pr Tunnel Hills Wipeout "Zach" Attack