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Posted by TOP on 10-28-2009 04:15 AM:

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Originally posted by nccatfisher
Yep, and long as you keep believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny you will be happy. There are generations of those dogs that were never off a chain unless it was when they wore a link out and got off for a while, and that is a fact.

he's funny ain't he......must have been a strong batch of kool-aid.....

wonder what happened to his proof of false registration on ole Streak....I think he was just running his bottle-washer again.....ha ha ha

PS- who said Robert wasn't doing things the right way?

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Posted by Southern Knight on 10-28-2009 04:20 AM:

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Originally posted by nccatfisher
Yep, and long as you keep believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny you will be happy. There are generations of those dogs that were never off a chain unless it was when they wore a link out and got off for a while, and that is a fact.

Can you prove this? Or is this just another internet lie by the all mighty OMC brainwashed idiots? I know for a FACT what the parents of my pups will do I SEEN IT WITH MY OWN EYES, don't sit behind a stupid computer name & say I am a liar. I saw the man load the dogs up & they showed me Game BY THEMSELVES, see you bunch of people kill me, try & sell you lines somewhere else, I know what my dogs are from, & I know what they will do by themselves in the woods, I don't need you speculation about a mans breeding practices, I have proof there some of the best in the business out here in the Kennel tonite here about 10 miles south of Neshoba, Mississippi. It kills me to see you get on her and lie about people you have never met, or been to there house or ect. How do you know these dogs have never been hunted for generations? YOU DON"T, YOUR A LIAR TRYING TO RUN A MAN DOWN WHO KICK YOU SORRY BUTT OUT OF HIS REGISTRY FOR BEING A IDIOT! Plain & Simple so after he kicked you idiots out you all go a tell lies on the man, would you swear to jesus in front of the savior to what you have told about Robert Kemmer's dogs being 100% Accurate & Truthful? I WOULD! But you bunch of blowhards wouldn't. Now who knows what they are talking about & who's drinking kool aid?

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Posted by Thomas Williams on 10-28-2009 04:22 AM:

This is gettin good. Koolaid anybody?

Posted by Southern Knight on 10-28-2009 04:30 AM:

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Originally posted by TOP

wonder what happened to his proof of false registration on ole Streak....I think he was just running his bottle-washer again.....ha ha ha

I can tell you what proof I have seen with my own 2 eyes, The man I went coon hunting with in Tennessee has a DNA Profile from a direct son of a fiest named Bawldie that he got from the lady who raised Bawldie herself. Mr Beaty was there when the swab was swabed. He also has a DNA Profile on a direct streak female strait from Carl Smith from me myself. When he sent the DNA Profiles to PE ZOOGIN the dogs were very, very closley related. The results say not brother sister, not direct offspring, but same common ancestry in 3rd generation or closer...... $1000.00 says I can produce the paperwork I speak of, Want to loose $1000.00 anyone?

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Posted by Al Medcalf on 10-28-2009 04:43 AM:

If i had $1,000.00

Dang, If I had that kind of money laying around i would dang sure give it to have proof that them bottle-nosed narrow chested, ringnecked devils were part feist

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Posted by TOP on 10-28-2009 04:44 AM:

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Originally posted by Southern Knight
I can tell you what proof I have seen with my own 2 eyes, The man I went coon hunting with in Tennessee has a DNA Profile from a direct son of a fiest named Bawldie that he got from the lady who raised Bawldie herself. Mr Beaty was there when the swab was swabed. He also has a DNA Profile on a direct streak female strait from Carl Smith from me myself. When he sent the DNA Profiles to PE ZOOGIN the dogs were very, very closley related. The results say not brother sister, not direct offspring, but same common ancestry in 3rd generation or closer...... $1000.00 says I can produce the paperwork I speak of, Want to loose $1000.00 anyone?

so you have solid proof that you can bring to the BOD and make a challenge? If so, why has it not been presented already?

And in reading your details of the facts...I see that there is no way to prove that it was streak that was false registered...could have been another dawg....so really you have no proof at all. However, I know that if signed statements and proof are presented to the BOD, they will investigate, according to the director I talked to. So, present your evidence and lets see what happens....

Do you also have any evidence of yellow labs or buckskinned plotts in my beloved kemmer strain?

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Posted by TOP on 10-28-2009 04:47 AM:

Re: If i had $1,000.00

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Originally posted by Al Medcalf
Dang, If I had that kind of money laying around i would dang sure give it to have proof that them bottle-nosed narrow chested, ringnecked devils were part feist

Al, I would be willing to bet that there is no proof of streak being false registered without Carl Smith himself admitting to it. I have my own ideas on the subject, but they are just that.

Some folks like bottle-nosed, perk eared, bug-eyed little curs...and I'm fine with that....I like a little size on mine, with some ear....but that's just my preference.....ha ha ha

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Posted by TOP on 10-28-2009 04:53 AM:

I think the kool-aid is beginning to be more than ole southern knight can bear.....the strain is showing....the cracks are present....

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Posted by Southern Knight on 10-28-2009 04:56 AM:

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Originally posted by TOP
so you have solid proof that you can bring to the BOD and make a challenge? If so, why has it not been presented already?

You could buy some streak seman & have it DNA tested to see if it was a direct brother to the DNA Beaty took off of the fiest & it would prove they were direct brothers & NO ONE IN THE OMCBA WOULD DO SQUAT ABOUT IT. The OMCBA would shut down, the President would be known as a liar, a thief, & plenty more. 90% or better of the dogs registered today would have there papers pulled because of false blood in them.... Do you think it is going to happen? Even with solid concrete proof from the streak seaman it would never even get off the bought off BOD table. Like I said the OMCBA would cease to exist if all streak dogs were kicked out due to false papering.

& people who HUNT KEMMER DOGS DRINK KOOL AID........
Looks like the OMCBA has some liquid dispensres in it to me as well!

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Posted by duffer on 10-28-2009 04:57 AM:

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Originally posted by nccatfisher
I guess you think the president of the OMCBA is the only one that has Mountain Curs? My males run 45-60# and my females run 40-55#, if you think the KSBA can keep breeding the integrity of dogs by chain breeding than buy all of 'em you want. You will get what you deserve.

BTW
Stick with the KSBA and see how much voice you have about how it is run. If you don't bow to the leader like the flock you will be on the outside lookin' in. LOL

dogs as big as your describing have to have a boatload of hound in,em. curs of yesteryear were much smaller. KEMMER ROCKS.

Posted by Al Medcalf on 10-28-2009 05:07 AM:

I've got a male white papered Kemmer that weighs 60 lbs.

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Posted by TonyRevel on 10-28-2009 05:12 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Southern Knight
I can tell you what proof I have seen with my own 2 eyes, The man I went coon hunting with in Tennessee has a DNA Profile from a direct son of a fiest named Bawldie that he got from the lady who raised Bawldie herself. Mr Beaty was there when the swab was swabed. He also has a DNA Profile on a direct streak female strait from Carl Smith from me myself. When he sent the DNA Profiles to PE ZOOGIN the dogs were very, very closley related. The results say not brother sister, not direct offspring, but same common ancestry in 3rd generation or closer...... $1000.00 says I can produce the paperwork I speak of, Want to loose $1000.00 anyone?

You talk a GOOD Game either Come on with it or Drop it!!!!!!

I hunt Kemmer`s Myself I was taking UP for Roger Burgess on the Kemmer Site and Got Kicked off A word of Advise Knight bring it or Drop it!!!!!!!!!! Take it from someone who was Kicked off,Their`s two in The KSBA that Dont like Free thinker`s!!!!!!!

Posted by Southern Knight on 10-28-2009 05:31 AM:

Mr. Revel, I am not stupid enough as to think if I showed up at Jamestown with what evidence this man as accuired to prove a link from Ms. Betty's solid white 20 pound fiest she called little bawlie & Smith's streak I would be called everything but a white man for trying to ruin the OMCBA. The guy who got this stuff together is not a OMCBA Member he got this together as a favor to a lifelong friend who suddenly passed away before it was all tested, proven out & ect. I got in the mess because he knew me & knew I had 3 direct offspring of streak that runed my farm as that was all they was useful for except tree a squrriel every once in a while for my boys when were home. I could care less about any registry's I have a cousin up in Sparta, Tennessee & he told me about these CURS looking like Daddy's dogs he seen while guiding a hunt there on his place. I called Mr. Kemmer & a man named Eldrige about some Curs for Hog hunting. Both had what I was looking for I drove up there & even got to hunt with the dogs parents. eldrige's sister is married to a guy who is some officer in the kemmer club & mike had his yellow female there to take his boys & a client at his huntin lodge's kids coon huntin, I tagged along & the old female treed 3 coon for us that night & I bought a pup from her as she was supposed to be the best hog dog on the place as well. Yet I get on here tonite looking for another Kemmer & all I read is this junk, saying these people are breeding chain dogs ect. & this is a lie, where I come from I call a spade a spade & these dudes are flat out lying on Robert Kemmer & others. I called Mr. Kemmer tonite & he is sold out of pups and has all his next litter spoken for yet I read on this post he can't give his pups away. I called Mr. Eldrige & he said the pup he had was just a stud fee pup he didn't have any more but told me to get online & look & see if his brother in law has any because he was working & would not be home until midnite & if he did they would suit me as this is where my best pup come from. I could give 2 cares less about any registry, I want dogs that will catch hogs these hound boys can't catch & I got them from robert Kemmer & M. Eldrige I sent the papers in on these dogs friday just so if I choose I can raise some pups out of them as the 2 females are not closely related to the male, and whan I can take them and bay hogs with them & only them at 7 months and a few days old, looks to me like the tennessee man has his breeding down. I ain't a memeber of any board but here, & baydog.com so I ain't really worried about getting kicked off any boards, Im a hawg huntr so I could care less about the squirrel hunting sites my friend.

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Posted by nccatfisher on 10-28-2009 05:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Southern Knight
You could buy some streak seman & have it DNA tested to see if it was a direct brother to the DNA Beaty took off of the fiest & it would prove they were direct brothers & NO ONE IN THE OMCBA WOULD DO SQUAT ABOUT IT. The OMCBA would shut down, the President would be known as a liar, a thief, & plenty more. 90% or better of the dogs registered today would have there papers pulled because of false blood in them.... Do you think it is going to happen? Even with solid concrete proof from the streak seaman it would never even get off the bought off BOD table. Like I said the OMCBA would cease to exist if all streak dogs were kicked out due to false papering.

& people who HUNT KEMMER DOGS DRINK KOOL AID........
Looks like the OMCBA has some liquid dispensres in it to me as well!

Are you talking about Peanut when you say Mr. Beaty?

Posted by TonyRevel on 10-28-2009 05:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Southern Knight
Mr. Revel, I am not stupid enough as to think if I showed up at Jamestown with what evidence this man as accuired to prove a link from Ms. Betty's solid white 20 pound fiest she called little bawlie & Smith's streak I would be called everything but a white man for trying to ruin the OMCBA. The guy who got this stuff together is not a OMCBA Member he got this together as a favor to a lifelong friend who suddenly passed away before it was all tested, proven out & ect. I got in the mess because he knew me & knew I had 3 direct offspring of streak that runed my farm as that was all they was useful for except tree a squrriel every once in a while for my boys when were home. I could care less about any registry's I have a cousin up in Sparta, Tennessee & he told me about these CURS looking like Daddy's dogs he seen while guiding a hunt there on his place. I called Mr. Kemmer & a man named Eldrige about some Curs for Hog hunting. Both had what I was looking for I drove up there & even got to hunt with the dogs parents. eldrige's sister is married to a guy who is some officer in the kemmer club & mike had his yellow female there to take his boys & a client at his huntin lodge's kids coon huntin, I tagged along & the old female treed 3 coon for us that night & I bought a pup from her as she was supposed to be the best hog dog on the place as well. Yet I get on here tonite looking for another Kemmer & all I read is this junk, saying these people are breeding chain dogs ect. & this is a lie, where I come from I call a spade a spade & these dudes are flat out lying on Robert Kemmer & others. I called Mr. Kemmer tonite & he is sold out of pups and has all his next litter spoken for yet I read on this post he can't give his pups away. I called Mr. Eldrige & he said the pup he had was just a stud fee pup he didn't have any more but told me to get online & look & see if his brother in law has any because he was working & would not be home until midnite & if he did they would suit me as this is where my best pup come from. I could give 2 cares less about any registry, I want dogs that will catch hogs these hound boys can't catch & I got them from robert Kemmer & M. Eldrige I sent the papers in on these dogs friday just so if I choose I can raise some pups out of them as the 2 females are not closely related to the male, and whan I can take them and bay hogs with them & only them at 7 months and a few days old, looks to me like the tennessee man has his breeding down. I ain't a memeber of any board but here, & baydog.com so I ain't really worried about getting kicked off any boards, Im a hawg huntr so I could care less about the squirrel hunting sites my friend.

You the One Get on Here and Say you would lay 1000.00 dollar`s DOWN To prove it. So you was the One has TOP stated was Running your Bottle Washer.You dont See us on here making STATEMENT`S Like that Do you ?You going to the OMCBA with PROFF or What? Your Choice and Happy Hunting!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Southern Knight on 10-28-2009 05:51 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Southern Knight
I can tell you what proof I have seen with my own 2 eyes, The man I went coon hunting with in Tennessee has a DNA Profile from a direct son of a fiest named Bawldie that he got from the lady who raised Bawldie herself. Mr Beaty was there when the swab was swabed. He also has a DNA Profile on a direct streak female strait from Carl Smith from me myself. When he sent the DNA Profiles to PE ZOOGIN the dogs were very, very closley related. The results say $1000.00 says I can produce the paperwork I speak of, Want to loose $1000.00 anyone?

This is a quote, where I said I had $1,000.00 that said I had the paperwork in fron of me right now that says not brother sister, not direct offspring, but same common ancestry in 3rd generation or closer...... I could give a rats behind if the OMCBA ever does anything about Streak because they would dismiss this proff just like if the lady came foward and told that carl bred alot of females to her fiest, people would say that old lady was lying, Carl would never lie..... If you can't see that then your freakin' blind buddy. I done spent way to much money buying worthless counterfit pups from carl smith, I just thought someone might want to help me out with my $1,000 I am down to that experience. Anyone want to lay out $1,000 dollars I will givem them my whole folder of evidence & I guarentee everything I said here tonite is in that folder. THE OMCBA BOD ain't going to ever do nuthin bout it anyway so you boys keep huntin' them 22 pound OMCBA curs.

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Posted by TonyRevel on 10-28-2009 05:58 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Southern Knight
This is a quote, where I said I had $1,000.00 that said I had the paperwork in fron of me right now that says not brother sister, not direct offspring, but same common ancestry in 3rd generation or closer...... I could give a rats behind if the OMCBA ever does anything about Streak because they would dismiss this proff just like if the lady came foward and told that carl bred alot of females to her fiest, people would say that old lady was lying, Carl would never lie..... If you can't see that then your freakin' blind buddy. I done spent way to much money buying worthless counterfit pups from carl smith, I just thought someone might want to help me out with my $1,000 I am down to that experience. Anyone want to lay out $1,000 dollars I will givem them my whole folder of evidence & I guarentee everything I said here tonite is in that folder. THE OMCBA BOD ain't going to ever do nuthin bout it anyway so you boys keep huntin' them 22 pound OMCBA curs.

You said BET 1000.00 Dollar`s Not Buy the Folder.Dont start back Peddling Now. Mine Dont Weigh 22 pound`s he`s about a 45 pound Dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by nccatfisher on 10-28-2009 06:00 AM:

So you like those Plott/Cur mixes on hogs?

Posted by Southern Knight on 10-28-2009 06:01 AM:

Mr. revel if you are wanting to bet $1,000 I will bet You. The bet IS I have here in my possession the 2 dna profiles, the results from PE Zoogin stating the parentage is the same within 3 generations or closer. Yes Sir I will gladly take your thousand off your hands if you say I do not have that proof!!!!!! Where we gonna meet to exchange this money?????

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Posted by Southern Knight on 10-28-2009 06:03 AM:

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Originally posted by nccatfisher
So you like those Plott/Cur mixes on hogs?

I did until I got all 4 of my outlaws killed on a hunt in south Alabams with Billy Hughes. I was out & started over with these 3 pups. These dogs have alot more nose & bottom end that the crosses do. I like the walker brothers stock in west virginia crossed on Bobby Ladouxe black mouth's in winfield, la they sure worked for several years for me. Can't get anymore dogs from Curtis Walker though he has about quit raising pups. I think I will stick with what I have as I like them plenty fine for there age.

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Posted by nccatfisher on 10-28-2009 06:06 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Southern Knight
Mr. revel if you are wanting to bet $1,000 I will bet You. The bet IS I have here in my possession the 2 dna profiles, the results from PE Zoogin stating the parentage is the same within 3 generations or closer. Yes Sir I will gladly take your thousand off your hands if you say I do not have that proof!!!!!! Where we gonna meet to exchange this money?????

Again I ask, are you referring to Peanut Beaty when you say Mr. Beaty?

Posted by nccatfisher on 10-28-2009 06:08 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Southern Knight
I did until I got all 4 of my outlaws killed on a hunt in south Alabams with Billy Hughes. I was out & started over with these 3 pups. These dogs have alot more nose & bottom end that the crosses do. I like the walker brothers stock in west virginia crossed on Bobby Ladouxe black mouth's in winfield, la they sure worked for several years for me. Can't get anymore dogs from Curtis Walker though he has about quit raising pups. I think I will stick with what I have as I like them plenty fine for there age.

I thought you were hunting KSBA registered dogs, if they have any Blondie blood in them they have more Plott in them than most Streak dogs do feist.

Posted by Southern Knight on 10-28-2009 06:16 AM:

It will cost you $1,000 for that info Mr. Catfisher... Nothing's free in this world ask Carl Smith he got me for about $900.00 plus gas for 3, 30 pound or less registered mountain curs.

I have said it before & I will say it again, I'll bet anyone on here $1,000 I have the info I say I have, all the names, dates & ect are with it, if you want to know say I am lying get your money ready & come to Mississippi & look, hell after I get my $1,000 you can have the envelope to do as you see fit but every word about it I typed here tonite is there & in black ink!!!!!!

As for my Kemmers I don't think plott would hurt them one bit, the plott dog has helped alot of breeds out with heart, grit, & determination. I could care less what is in them, they look exactly like the dogs my daddy got from Mr. Ledbetter in the late 1950'd and early 1960's. They sure ain't no streak dogs that do & they sure are suiting me every thursday & friday when I turn them out of the dog box. I could care less about that other junk I hunt dogs that put meat in the freezer and these are doing that every time I go. Im 59 years old & these 3 dogs and what they produce will do me until I can't hunt anymore anyway. I don't care if they got Airadale in them if they do what I want them to do. I could care less about even registering them & wouldn't have if not for my oldest grandson. mabey he will have some dogs after my old broke butt is gone & he will know what he has when he gets them is the only reason & spent $45 to register them all.

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Posted by nccatfisher on 10-28-2009 06:24 AM:

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Originally posted by duffer
dogs as big as your describing have to have a boatload of hound in,em. curs of yesteryear were much smaller. KEMMER ROCKS.

They might do it but they haven't had any in there in several generations and they sure haven't had any put in there here. Either way they haven't had the tree bred out of them like the kemmers who will wallow in a track all night long only to turn around and and run it backwards when they do get to a tree.
I have seen a few good kemmers but they were from stock that Robert didn't breed up close, which means they come out of hunting stock.
Funny thing 20 years ago robert's excuse for not hunting was no game, now it is his health.

Posted by nccatfisher on 10-28-2009 06:31 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Southern Knight
It will cost you $1,000 for that info Mr. Catfisher... Nothing's free in this world ask Carl Smith he got me for about $900.00 plus gas for 3, 30 pound or less registered mountain curs.

I have said it before & I will say it again, I'll bet anyone on here $1,000 I have the info I say I have, all the names, dates & ect are with it, if you want to know say I am lying get your money ready & come to Mississippi & look, hell after I get my $1,000 you can have the envelope to do as you see fit but every word about it I typed here tonite is there & in black ink!!!!!!

As for my Kemmers I don't think plott would hurt them one bit, the plott dog has helped alot of breeds out with heart, grit, & determination. I could care less what is in them, they look exactly like the dogs my daddy got from Mr. Ledbetter in the late 1950'd and early 1960's. They sure ain't no streak dogs that do & they sure are suiting me every thursday & friday when I turn them out of the dog box. I could care less about that other junk I hunt dogs that put meat in the freezer and these are doing that every time I go.

Yeah that is about what I thought, there wasn't a snowball's chance in torment in Peanut DNAing anything. You could have a swab out of a yard dog. As for the dog supposedly being a cousin of Streak and being closely related that would be like swabbing you and Obama. You could be in the same family and still not be the same bloodline.

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