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Posted by roughcreek on 09-22-2009 05:05 PM:

BEEN WRONG BEFORE BUTT

if dog is not working as part of cast & holding 1st strike or 2nd strike ect.

ALL, ALL, STRIKE POINTS WILL BE OPEN TO OTHER DOGS after coon have been treed & seen in 2 seperate trees.

does ALL STRIKE POINTS, solve this question ?

Posted by SLICK50 on 09-22-2009 05:11 PM:

Sure but what is the 8 minute rule for? How can you say a dog is not worknig with the cast?

Posted by larrypoe on 09-22-2009 05:13 PM:

rule 7 gives us a scenero for a dog holding 1st or 2nd strike and not working as part of the cast.

it doesnt give us a scenero for a dog holding 3rd or 4th strike and not working as part of the cast.

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Posted by Jamie Coolidge on 09-22-2009 05:14 PM:

Sorry Todd it was actually TANK that replied to my post...this is what I was told

In the second scenario...
Dog A, B, C are struck in that order. Dog A is in "trailing mode". Dog B is declared treed, scored with a coon and recast, IF he opens before Dog C is treed AND scored PLUS he goes in for 25. IF Dog C is declared treed, scored with a coon and turned loose, C is eligible is now eligible to strike back in for 100.

Rule 7 will override rule 2a AFTER 2 coons or 1 hour has elapsed.

This is the correct way to score the situation. If you feel it is unfair to dog B, petition your breed assoc. to clarify/change the rule.

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 09-22-2009 05:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by larrypoe
rule 7 gives us a scenero for a dog holding 1st or 2nd strike and not working as part of the cast.

it doesnt give us a scenero for a dog holding 3rd or 4th strike and not working as part of the cast.

1st strike or 2nd strike ETC does that mean 3rd or 4th

Posted by larrypoe on 09-22-2009 05:34 PM:

quote:
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1st strike or 2nd strike ETC does that mean 3rd or 4th

ya I was just messin with Elvis.

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Posted by Maniac on 09-22-2009 06:21 PM:

YOU STRIKE BACK IN FOR 100. REMEMBER WHEN WE DURE AT THE RQE ELVIS ANSD I SAID YOU STRIKE BACK IN FOR A 100 AND YOU AND HASS SAID NO. SO I JUST SHUT UP. THE JUDGE DONE RITE. LOOK UNDER NONE WORKING DOGS. FLIP THE CARD OVER CENTER OF THE SCORE CARD CLOSE TO BOTTOM. THE DOG GOING TO THE FINALS NOW SHOULDNT BE . THE DOG YOU WAS HUNTING SHOULD BE. WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES WERE JUST HUMAN

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Posted by on 09-22-2009 06:41 PM:

If we're not going to allow the coon treeing dog to go back in for 100, Why in the heck are we wasting our time at this?

I can see the argument why not to go in over a dog that isn't a nonworking dog, but when both rules apply, I'd like to believe we should reward the coon treer.

Nothing would suprise me though.

Posted by Maniac on 09-22-2009 06:44 PM:

IM NOT ARUGEING BUT AFTER TWO COONS ARE SCORED OR AFTER
1 HOUR. THE STRIKE OPENS BACK UP FOR A 100. ITS IN BLACK AND WHITE

Posted by Laura Bell on 09-22-2009 07:02 PM:

That doesn't seem fair since C was working as part of the cast, but the Non Working Dog rule doesn't specify that the remaining dogs must all be re-cast into the non worker at the same time. So that leads one to think that as long as two coon were seen, or an hour has gone by, the strike points are open.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 09-22-2009 07:11 PM:

Dont the rules also say that in order for a dog to be eligable 100 strike all dogs have to be competing for strike? If dogs A. and B. are recast to C. who is struck for 25 and hasnt been caught by the 8 and isnt a (non working dog) as defined by the rules how would you justify opening a new set of strike points? Just my opinion but in this instance i would say A and B go in for a quarter.

Posted by elvis on 09-22-2009 07:37 PM:

let me get this straight
dogs abc and d are struck in that order. dogs a,b and c are called treed on 3 seperate trees. You score dog a+ and he is recast to dog d for 25. you score dog b + and recast him to dogs a and d for 25. you score dog c's tree and recast him for 100?????????
surely to goodness we have better rules than that.

Posted by SLICK50 on 09-22-2009 07:39 PM:

Youre right John, rule 7 and the 8 minute rule contradict eachother. The only difference is the 8 gets you minused. And would someone please explain what is a dog that is not working as part of that cast? That is a flat out-right joke.

Posted by Jamie Coolidge on 09-22-2009 07:48 PM:

Actually Elvis the way I understand it dog A would be struck in for 25, once the second coon is scored on dog B he would be able to strike for a 100 and I'm going to say dog C would be in for 75. lol

We really need to revisit this rule and change/clarify it.

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Posted by SLICK50 on 09-22-2009 07:51 PM:

Or just ignore that rule 7. Dog goes in for next avilable position.

Posted by ysudep2 on 09-22-2009 09:49 PM:

2 seperate coons are scored, where does it say 2 coons per dog?

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Posted by Dan Dogs on 09-22-2009 10:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by elvis
let me get this straight
dogs abc and d are struck in that order. dogs a,b and c are called treed on 3 seperate trees. You score dog a+ and he is recast to dog d for 25. you score dog b + and recast him to dogs a and d for 25. you score dog c's tree and recast him for 100?????????
surely to goodness we have better rules than that.

i agree, it makes no scence for the last dog treed to get better strike points than the first two..it needs to be revised.

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Posted by CooperCreek on 09-22-2009 11:35 PM:

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let me get this straight
dogs abc and d are struck in that order. dogs a,b and c are called treed on 3 seperate trees. You score dog a+ and he is recast to dog d for 25. you score dog b + and recast him to dogs a and d for 25. you score dog c's tree and recast him for 100?????????
surely to goodness we have better rules than that.

Exactly, we had this discussion on a cast at AO.

I read the rule as 2 coons seen means 2 coons treed by the same 3 dogs in a four dog cast.

If dogs are split treeing all over, you have a cast full of non working dogs anyway, so who cares!

Posted by jculler8 on 09-23-2009 12:12 AM:

quote:
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Exactly, we had this discussion on a cast at AO.

I read the rule as 2 coons seen means 2 coons treed by the same 3 dogs in a four dog cast.

If dogs are split treeing all over, you have a cast full of non working dogs anyway, so who cares!

I've seen 3 splits all within 100 yards of each other plenty of times out where the coon are thick... in fact just this past weekend in ashland.

bottom line is that the rules need to be plain and simple such that they can't be interpreted 20 different ways.

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Posted by Frank M on 09-23-2009 12:27 AM:

I guess I wās wrong, not the first time when it comes to these rules lol. The rule is clear as mudd, but it does say 2 sepperate coons seen or 1 hour of hunt time.

My finale answer is dog C stays at 25 and dogs A and B battle for 100 or 75.

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Posted by jculler8 on 09-23-2009 11:31 PM:

wonder why allen or todd have never posted upon this isssue??????????

Posted by Dan Dogs on 09-23-2009 11:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by elvis
let me get this straight
dogs abc and d are struck in that order. dogs a,b and c are called treed on 3 seperate trees. You score dog a+ and he is recast to dog d for 25. you score dog b + and recast him to dogs a and d for 25. you score dog c's tree and recast him for 100?????????
surely to goodness we have better rules than that.

actually B could be struck in above A also..that was the second coon..elvis you should say B and A are treed together and turned into D

Posted by Laura Bell on 09-24-2009 12:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jculler8
wonder why allen or todd have never posted upon this isssue??????????

Maybe it's going to make a future advisor column. Or the world champ has them behind.

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Posted by last chance on 09-24-2009 06:07 PM:

It does not matter if dog D is struck for a 100, C for 75,B for 50 and A for 25.Dog A makes two trees and + and them other dogs are still running dog A should be restruck for 100.

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Posted by Maniac on 09-24-2009 06:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by last chance
It does not matter if dog D is struck for a 100, C for 75,B for 50 and A for 25.Dog A makes two trees and + and them other dogs are still running dog A should be restruck for 100.

CORRECT

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