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Posted by Stephen Chamblee on 08-20-2009 01:13 PM:

If for some reason I was drunk, high, and off my meds and agreed to turn out next to a highway, I would gladly take my scratch cause that is the way the rules are written. But if I was the spectator I would try to hollar to the cast or walk that way so that they would know what had happened.

Posted by Jason Payne on 08-20-2009 03:41 PM:

Re: Another one of those interference questions.

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
T...what should the judge do when returning to the trucks and finding that the spectator put the dog in the box? ...

Did the cast call timeout before returning to the truck? If so, it would be difficult to prove that the dog wasn't handled during Time Out.

If the hunt time is running, the dog would have to be scratched under rule 1: "...All dogs, including Champions, to hunt entire hunt unless scratched..."

If the dog was in the box, he wasn't hunting.

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Posted by blueticker on 08-20-2009 03:52 PM:

If a hound is in real danger does a judge need the majority of the cast to call time out?

Can a judge call time if hunters and hounds are in danger from storms?

I'm not sure a majority is needed under a real threat.

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Posted by on 08-20-2009 04:23 PM:

blueticker, to answer your question.....yes, a hunting judge does need a majority to call timeout. Even in a danger situation. There is no exception to that rule in the UKC rulebook. If you read the timeout rules in the rulebook, that much is very clear. Not trying to be anal about it, just answering your question.

Posted by robgregory on 08-20-2009 04:37 PM:

If I drew out

on a cast where the only place the guide had to make a drop at is a busy highway,I'm sorry,I'm gonna bite the bullet and withdraw my dog.I'd rather lose a $20.00 entry fee than bury my hound.And it would probably be the last time i ever hunted at that club.
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Posted by jackbob42 on 08-20-2009 05:25 PM:

If somebody tries to get you to turn loose in a dangerous spot ( highway , posted land , etc. ), can't you ask for a cast vote as to whether to turn loose or not?
I don't know the rules that weel , so I'm just asking.

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Posted by hardtymes on 08-20-2009 05:36 PM:

WHATS MORE IMPORTANT A CAST WIN<<<<<<<<<
OR YOUR DOGS LIFE!!!!!!

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Posted by robgregory on 08-20-2009 05:45 PM:

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My point exactly!! Glad you and I are on the same page.Other than buryin' a family member,in my opinion,there's no other feelin' in the world that tears at my heartstrings worse than havin' to bury a decent hound.
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Posted by Okie Dawg on 08-20-2009 05:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rance56
if i was the judge he wouldnt have been scratched unless the rest of the cast escalated it to the point where i had no choice. i dont think we should discourage folks for interfering when a dog is in obvious danger.

if it was my spectator, i would have thanked him in that situation

I agree but like some of the other folks on here. I would scratch myself and go home if they couldn't find a more safe place to hunt than beside a buisy road. Can't do anything but thank the spectator. He saved the dog and probubley didn't know any of the rules. He would be my new best friend no matter who's dog it was. I don't want to win anything becouse a dog got killed. If he was back at the truck chances are he wasn't going to win much anyway.: )

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Posted by on 08-20-2009 06:40 PM:

jackbob, you asked a good question. I'm not sure but I have always believed that the guide has the last and only say in where you turn loose. You turn loose where he takes you or withdraw. But I might be wrong about that.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 08-20-2009 06:59 PM:

I think this is were you find out what kind of men you got drew out with. They should all refuse to drop there dogs and go back to the club and demand another place to hunt. I know the guid has to have permision to hunt on the ground he takes you to but don't kow what the rules say when they don't.
I don't think any MO in his right mind would expect men to dump there dog beside a buisy highway. Were is a mo when you need him? ( : there has got to be one on here that could answer this for us. I looked in the rule book and can't find much on the guide.

Posted by on 08-20-2009 07:06 PM:

I guess I should add that none of the four handlers on this cast had the slightest reservations about hunting this spot along state road 5 and all of them had hunted that spot before. I wasn't a cast member or guide but I did have a dog in the hunt and I had no problem with dropping in that location. It isn't a very busy stetch of road even thought it is a state hiway. Around here such drops are common. Just thought I should add that.

Posted by ST_CRK_KENNELS on 08-20-2009 07:16 PM:

I was getting ready to say something about that. Just because it is a state road don't mean it is busy. Heck I know old rough gravel roads that are busier than some state roads, and State roads that aint no busier than my drive way. One of my favorite spots I turn loose off of a paved road up a branch. If you go there after 9:00 or so you might see 2 cars, and if you flash your light at them they will slow down.

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Posted by longshot on 08-20-2009 07:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jackbob42
If somebody tries to get you to turn loose in a dangerous spot ( highway , posted land , etc. ), can't you ask for a cast vote as to whether to turn loose or not?
I don't know the rules that weel , so I'm just asking.

I have saw it discussed and even voted on in several cast. Most usually the guide says he has another safer spot and we simply go there instead.

But truthfully , the local club assigns the guides and you hunt with them or go home , simple as that. Anyone that doesn't think thier guide did a satisfactory job , should tell that club personally so it can be taken into consideration the next time guides are needed. IF A GUIDE DOES NOT HAVE SAFE HUNTING , HE SHOULD NOT BE GUIDING.

Here is the flip side to that problem though.... More and more clubs are hurting for quality guides and ground to hunt on. In some area's of the country , you either turn loose in a risky spot OR SELL YOUR DOGS BECAUSE THERE AIN'T NO OTHER PLACES AVAILABLE!

A day is coming soon swhen quality , safe area's are going to be very hard to find....

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Posted by jculler8 on 08-20-2009 07:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
I guess I should add that none of the four handlers on this cast had the slightest reservations about hunting this spot along state road 5 and all of them had hunted that spot before. I wasn't a cast member or guide but I did have a dog in the hunt and I had no problem with dropping in that location. It isn't a very busy stetch of road even thought it is a state hiway. Around here such drops are common. Just thought I should add that.

Remember people, Jim comes from a land I like to call "handicapped" hunting

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...really there's nothing better than pulling up on the road and cutting them across a field into a patch with 15 coon in it!

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Posted by TJH on 08-20-2009 07:39 PM:

Did it occurr to anyone that maybe alot of guides take casts there on purpose in hopes that a couple will withdraw. Some will do about anything to win. Then you have some guys like several that get mad at me when i pull back a lane 400 yards off a state route to a huge woods. Its getting hard to get away from houses and away from busy roads anymore.

Posted by blueticker on 08-20-2009 08:36 PM:

Most of the spots I hunt will seldom have a distant house dog barking. During the week you may hunt from 11 til 5 and never see an auto. I will very seldom turn a hound loose from a balcktop county road.

Posted by Dogwhisper on 08-21-2009 10:36 PM:

Jim
IF all rules were followed up to the point that the cast found out that the spectator handled the dog... meaning time out called/1 hour applied on the dog.
The handler/cast found out later what transpired when they arrived @ the truck. Time was out, 1 hour ticking
I got one ? How you going to scratch the handler/dog because of the spectator, when time was out or at the very least should of been and the 1 hour ticking.

If you care to get technical ask the spectator what time was it when he handled the dog.

From your last post about all agreeing to cut loose that point is null/void now ,all were infavor.

Posted by on 08-21-2009 11:26 PM:

Well the way it was handled was they got the other dogs together off a tree and called time. Went back to the trucks to get a tracker for the only dog not handled which they found in the box. They thanked the spectator for getting the dog off the road and moved on to the next drop.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 08-21-2009 11:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Well the way it was handled was they got the other dogs together off a tree and called time. Went back to the trucks to get a tracker for the only dog not handled which they found in the box. They thanked the spectator for getting the dog off the road and moved on to the next drop.

That is how I like to see things handled. Common sense and sportsmanship. You can't beat it. You even get to keep your new made friends.

Posted by on 08-21-2009 11:45 PM:

Well I don't know about the new made friends, those guys have draw together many times before. Couple of them ain't what you'd call best buddies but they get along.

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