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Posted by VICKY B on 08-12-2009 07:03 PM:

non-hunting judge in the winners pack, can score lines alone.
I may not have it right but thats how I understood it would work.

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Posted by Roy Pasmore on 08-12-2009 07:30 PM:

senior`s

Take it from a senior i am 76 years old and lost a lung to cancer.
I still enjoy my dogs and the competetion but cannot get around well enough to run all over to score a line. I will say this if you want to see an exibition of good sportman ship go on a cast of seniors as a spectator. The rabbits will circle back to area of jump. there will not be handlers scattered all over. My self i carry a lawn chair out to run my dogs set down at point of jump wait untel rabbit turns and starts back then get up and move to a place that i can see well stay there untel someone see`s and call`s a line sence we or all fairly close together ther is no need to rush. We will score the dogs and set back down to wait far another circle. the slick handling and all the other b.s. is 90 percent over competetive people that just have to rush around to try to take advantage of people like my self or young people who donot know the rules . Thanks UKC for remembering us old people . If it wasn`t for some of us old people running in these trials over the years there would not be any trails to run today.

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Posted by Jeremy Mapes on 08-12-2009 07:51 PM:

I too, like the senior idea. It's the least we can do for the guys that made this sport what it is today.

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Posted by ohlinger on 08-12-2009 09:25 PM:

guys how can you complain about a seniors cast ???? i don't get that. EVERYONE should be able to participate right ?

Posted by Jed Nichols on 08-12-2009 09:32 PM:

That is correct Vicky, the veterans cast scores will still have to compete with all other scores in the category that they are in.

Posted by Allen / UKC on 08-12-2009 09:42 PM:

Shawn, why would you have such an issue with a cast of older gents drawing each other versus having no choice (if they want to hunt) but to keep up with all the younger guys who are racing around trying to score lines? You suggest they won't be able to score lines dudidudida. You might be surprised. Passmore may be on to something I've personally found to be very true. STAY PUT!!! Let the dogs do their job and bring the rabbit around to the handler. (gun) You might get more lines that way then running all over the creation and disturbing the pattern of the run. Just something to ponder.

This might be a good one to consider all the Pro's VS Con's? I can think of many Pro's and very few con's if any. Welcome to the club "Passmore's"!!!! Bring on your beagles and let's have a good time and hunt!

Posted by GETRDONE KENNEL on 08-12-2009 10:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Mapes
I too, like the senior idea. It's the least we can do for the guys that made this sport what it is today.

Thats right Jeremy. I think this is a great idea.

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Posted by Brad 3 on 08-12-2009 10:38 PM:

I am 40 years old broke my back and have had 5 back surgeries, there are alot of people 55 that get around better than me. I still compete don't make every line because i'm not able run anymore, have had to scratch my dog a fews times because I couldn't keep up, but most of the guys understand and everything works out.

The issue I have with a veterans cast is this.

Scenario: I am 55 bring three champion dogs of my own along with my wife and friend and go to my honeyhole and bring back a big score. If I do this 5 times One of my dogs is now a grand and never had to hunt against any competion other than my own dogs that might not be worth a crap.

I know it is only a matter of time before my competion hunting days are over due to my injury but I would not like to title a dog that never had to face all the competion to EARN there title. I also feel if this happens in will ruin the prestiage of having a UKC GRAND. If you look on american beagler forum there is a post right know comparing all three formats and which titles are the hardest to achieve and most meaningfull.

Posted by J&E on 08-12-2009 11:06 PM:

Re: Hunting Beagle Rules Committee Results

quote:
Originally posted by Jed Nichols
(Proposal 1) PASS 6-0
(Proposal 2) FAIL 6-0
(Proposal 3) FAIL 6-0
(Proposal 4) FAIL 6-0
(Proposal 5) FAIL 6-0
(Proposal 6) FAIL 6-0
(Proposal 7) FAIL 6-0
(Proposal 8) FAIL 6-0
(Proposal 9) FAIL 1-5 W/AMENDMENT
(1) Require Master of Hounds to be licensed.
(2) Each club will be allowed to grandfather (1) Master of Hounds
(3) Each Club will be allowed the option to use the Master of Hounds format or the Hunt Director format.

I have a question about the licensed MOH, MOH must be licensed; correct. But you cannot grandfather a MOH; correct. So where are the licensed MOH's to apprentice under? What am I missing?

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Posted by Spurlockkennels on 08-13-2009 12:21 AM:

Allen first off this is not Shawn this is Tim.You should know this by now.Like i said this is only going to hurt the vets of this sport.While there just sittin there waiting on the rabbit to come to them and scoreing very little and all the other cast are running around to score lines alot more points.Dont think the vets will be doin any winning.Thats all im saying.Why single out the vets from getting high scores.JMO If you dont like my train of thought.Well who gives a crap.Thanks TIM TIM TIM Spurlock

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Posted by Spurlockkennels on 08-13-2009 12:28 AM:

J&E look at proposal 9 #2 each club can grandfather a MOH.I too dont understand this rule.What difference is this going to make.How much is it to be a master of hounds.I for one will not pay to be a master of hounds.Our club takes turn being moh.If you have to get licensed then more and likely your club is going to be the same person being moh every hunt.Im not the only one that dont understand this rule.UKC why the change on this rule?????????/

Posted by magilla on 08-13-2009 12:55 AM:

I have the same question as J&E: What is it going to take to be licensed MOH, who do we apprentice under, and where canwe get more info on the "Grand father" for the club?

Posted by J&E on 08-13-2009 01:11 AM:

We got it now, We found what we were missing......Thanks.

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Posted by jackbob42 on 08-13-2009 01:38 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Spurlockkennels
......While there just sittin there waiting on the rabbit to come to them and scoreing very little and all the other cast are running around to score lines alot more points.Dont think the vets will be doin any winning......

One thing is for sure , the vets will be scoring on dogs that have run the rabbit full circle and not scoring on half-circles , or scoring several times on one circle and they probably won't be hollering " HOLE " when the track breaks down.
I think I want to hunt with them !

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Posted by Jimbo 420 on 08-13-2009 02:37 AM:

Spurlock do u ever shut up?

Posted by Spurlockkennels on 08-13-2009 12:21 PM:

Hobo i mean bozo i mean jimbo no i dont!!!!!!!!!!!!!New rules bring new questions.If you dont like my post dont read them.I wasnt trying to stirr the pot.I just dont see how thats going to benefit the hunter or the hound.Its hurtng them more then it is helping them win.

Posted by Spurlockkennels on 08-13-2009 12:31 PM:

Jackbob i understand what your saying.But what im trying to say is while your sittin there waiting all other cast are running around getting more lines which brings more stirke points as well.Who has a better chance of winning.I think its taking away from the elders who kept this sport going for me and my kids instead of helping them.

Posted by xdawgbeagles on 08-13-2009 01:28 PM:

(3) Each Club will be allowed the option to use the Master of Hounds format or the Hunt Director format.

What's this mean?

Also, has ukc considered how many clubs will have a hard time getting licensed moh? I know you can grandfather one but to be honest who wants to master of hounds all the time?

What's gonna be the process of getting licensed?

Jack

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Posted by MIKE CARDER on 08-13-2009 02:26 PM:

So are these

Are these all the rule changes that were mailed in and given to our state reps, or are they still metting around the 14th??
I like the 55 and older. I have met alot of guys that cant get around on the hill as good as they used to but still love the competition of the hunt and enjoy seeing thier hounds hunt. I can remember my dad and coy stacey talking to Allen about this back at nationals and i was thinking that would be awesome. They might not come back with the highest scores, but i bet you will be surprised at the scores they come back with.

Spurlockkennels, how are you making our sport better by the way you run your mouth???

Posted by Allen / UKC on 08-13-2009 03:01 PM:

Mike, all the proposals that were mailed in were reviewed and considered. The meeting was moved forward one week from what was first proposed.

Posted by MIKE CARDER on 08-13-2009 04:13 PM:

Cool

Thanks alot. Good job guys. Its good to see this kind of stuff take place. Every rule change that takes place is only for the better of the sport.

Posted by Jimbo 420 on 08-13-2009 04:25 PM:

I agree with you Carder, the only thing Spurlock does is bitch and moan. I don't think there is one time where he had something nice too say. I'm sure i'm not the only one who thinks this. Go ahead and bash me and show us how much of an idiot u are, wait u have already done that.

Posted by Spurlockkennels on 08-13-2009 04:42 PM:

You think i care what anyone of you retards (jimbo and mike)think of me.I was just asking questions and like always UKC wont reply.Who actually started with the name calling on this post???????????????Sure wasn't me.Jimbo i believe you first started the name calling and running your mouth on this post.So who is actually running there mouths?????????Sorry for haveing questions on new rules.Jacka$$es.Im not posting no more on this post,so keeping running your mouth about me and ill be running my dogs.

Posted by Jimbo 420 on 08-13-2009 04:48 PM:

Hobo i mean bozo i mean jimbo no i dont!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who started the name calling? Poor Timmy or is it Tammy? As much as u whine i don't know which it is.

Posted by Stony Branch on 08-13-2009 05:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by xdawgbeagles
(3) Each Club will be allowed the option to use the Master of Hounds format or the Hunt Director format.

What's this mean?

Also, has ukc considered how many clubs will have a hard time getting licensed moh? I know you can grandfather one but to be honest who wants to master of hounds all the time?

What's gonna be the process of getting licensed?

Jack

If you have a hard time getting a MOH it looks like you will be allowed to use the Hunt Director format. This was a smart move in my opinion!
The Hunt Director format works as follows:
Someone is appointed a hunt director which takes entries and basicly runs the hunt. Usually he is allowed to run a dog in the hunt. If there are any questions a panel of folks that had nothing to do with the question hears the question and rules on it.
While im at it I dont understand why there is such a uproar about the seniors casts! It doesnt say they have to have a seniors cast so if someone doesnt want to be in one they dont have to. The seniors cast competes right along with every other cast. If they make the finals and they dont think they can keep up with a regular cast they can always get someone else to handle thier dog in the finals.
Some people must be out of something to cry and complain about!

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